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Title: Fan Choice's On Repacks
Post by: Scott on February 23, 2004, 04:45 PM
http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/pl/page.headlines/id.1008/dn/default.cfm

WORST IDEA EVER ::)
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Brian on February 23, 2004, 04:51 PM
Hmm....seems a little odd to me too, would have rather seen the normal Fan's Choice format I guess.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Scott on February 23, 2004, 04:58 PM
Exactly...I really am spitting tack right now.  WTF are they thinking
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: CHEWIE on February 23, 2004, 04:59 PM
Please excuse me while I throw up my lunch... :-X

 :P

Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Scott on February 23, 2004, 05:04 PM
Well, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Motti will run away with this, which is fine, but no way should any of these be "Fan Choice" selections.  They could run a normal poll and do the exact same ******* thing, the really stupid thing, there is this site called eBay that you can buy anything you want on
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Brian on February 23, 2004, 05:07 PM
This will probably be their next "Fan's Choice" idea :P:

(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/POTF2han-f.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/POTF2chewbacca-f.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/POTF2luke-f.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/POTF2leia-f.jpg)
(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/POTF2lando-f.jpg)

Your Choice!
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Scott on February 23, 2004, 05:08 PM
I'll take Leia (psst don't give them ideas) :P
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Brian on February 23, 2004, 05:10 PM
True...sad, but true...**contemplates deleting post before Hasbro sees**
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: JediMAC on February 23, 2004, 05:12 PM
WTF?!? That's lame...

Actually, since I love the OTC packaging so much, I'd prefer to see all of those figures recarded in that line.   8)

But as far as Fan's Choice voting goes, why the hell is Hasbro picking our brains over this recarded crap?  They should be asking us about ALL-NEW figures!

Dumbasses.  ::)
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Rob on February 23, 2004, 06:14 PM
Garbage.

Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Jim on February 23, 2004, 06:15 PM
When I glanced the first few I was extremely disappointed.  Then I saw the Han Stormtrooper.  Something I have always wanted carded.  Then I read that it would be from the screen scene.  How would one package that POS.  Hes all pretzeled up.  Thats messed up Hasbro ???
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Mainland05 on February 23, 2004, 07:10 PM
well besides complaing, did any of you vote?

If so which did you vote for?

Actually i think they are trying to be nice, by giving some figures that were a little hard to find, like the R2-D2 and Admiral Motti.

It is weird cause Galatic Hunter posted their Q&A and this was on there, it seems Hasbro has been checking our sites i think getting ideas, and they sure did.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Darby on February 23, 2004, 07:24 PM
Hasbro: This isn't Sophie's Choice.  You should repack ALL these figures and not make the folks who don't have them choose.

And you shouldn't scuttle the Fan's Choice program on a lame idea like this.  All it does is signal rough seas ahead for the line, especially when there appears to be NOTHING in the way of new product after September.

Oh, well.  More money for me.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: jadesfire on February 23, 2004, 08:30 PM
Hasbro: This isn't Sophie's Choice.  

(http://www.cheesebuerger.de/smilies/lustig/48.gif) Really!!  

But, I voted anyways...with the hopes that they will redo/adjust Han to fit in the packaging.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Rob on February 23, 2004, 08:42 PM
I"m considering voting for Motti - but I will probably boycott this one - since they're all figures that I bought years ago - I see no reason to pick one to be put into stores.

Now, if Hermie Odle were a choice....
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: hansolo_506 on February 23, 2004, 08:44 PM
Personally, I did vote and I voted for the R2 unit.  It is one of the best sculpts of our plucky little droid hero and was very hard to find for a lot of people.

A second chance at any of these should be for the R2.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Mainland05 on February 23, 2004, 09:44 PM
well i voted for R2-D2 with Holo Leia!
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Diddly on February 23, 2004, 10:16 PM
BOOOOOOOOOOO at the choices.

But I'll take either Motti or R2 w/ Holo Leia.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Jesse James on February 23, 2004, 11:57 PM
I voted...  May as well, ya know?  I voted for Motti.

I'm not wild about this FC Poll though...  It's very disappointing that Hasbro would waste a FC vote on repacking figures.  Figures that each one can be had for a relatively decent price already if you LOOK for them.

To me, this is a waste, and Hasbro should decide this crap themselves, for better or for worse, based on what the fans are crying out for every damn day in all these various forums.

The Fan's Choice Polls should only be reserved for obscure characters that the fans get to pick through, and Hasbro makes one and considers making the others based on their #'s they generate.  It's been working so far, so why screw with it, ya know?

It's disappointing to see this "wasted" on repacks I guess.  I mean, it's not like they're doing us too much of a favor really.  At least I don't view it that way, but I also have every figure on the list.

I simply voted for Motti because it gives some Imp. Officer diversity...  He's the only one on the list that I think still is "rare" too.  Even I saw tons of R2 Holo Leia at TRU at a point, and Pittsburgh got shafted on the clearances that included that figure.

A list of odd-ball background characters would've definitely been up my alley though.  Shame we'll have to wait another year + for that though, unless Hasbro opts to just do this again which, to me, is simply rendering the idea of a Fan's Choice Poll moot then.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Scott on February 24, 2004, 12:04 AM
The Fan Choice was special, the figures were always top shelf go the extra mile sort of stuff.  Imagine a poll with Hermi Odle or Yarna or Hem Dazon...nope, this is just ****, complete and utter ******* ****.

I really don't think they have a clue sometimes
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Darth Kenobi on February 24, 2004, 12:12 AM
Like others here I thinks this is a piece of c*** poll that waste a chance for us to get a new never before seen figure.  For those who would say its a good idea because it gives people a chance to own these figures you can find them at resonable prices on ebay or else where.  I traded for R2 for some other figures that I had found that were htf and I bought Motti online for $20 or so at ToyPalace.  I actually figured through that Hasbro would eventually start doing this since alot of people talk about having them rerealse many of the HTF figures which they couldn't find and have to have but won't pay the secondary market price.  There are alot of things that people here have that I don't and I won't have them unless I buy them through the secondary market likw GG Bust or Kurbricks but you don't hear me saying those companies need to relase more of those items.
My 2cents.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Ben on February 24, 2004, 01:13 AM
Those figures should all be in the OTC anyway, except Han Trooper. What a complete waste of #6.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: CorranHorn on February 24, 2004, 02:46 AM
It's interesting that many people are hammering for many of these figs to be re-released yet everywhere people are complaining about this Fan Choice poll. Though Hasbro has made the precedent that the polls would be used for newer and obscure figures, they've never said it wouldn't be used in this manner. I think this particular poll is a way for Hasbro to answer the call for re-releasals of HTF figs as part of a OTC Line that is majorly re-hashes anyways. The interesting thing is the choice of figures....

* R2-D2 w/ Holo Leia, while this was a VHTF for many, they just recently released the Sail Barge R2 which is a far superior figure as well as the soon to be released HOF R2 which also has a better overall sculpt imo. 2 is enough for one year me thinks.

* Ree-Yees, well here's the alien of the bunch. Many people love to see these types of figs and I suspect this guy will end up with a lot of votes.

* Death Star Trooper, if he wins this will be his 2nd re-release as this guy was part of the unsuccessful Target Accessory line set. What we need here is an all new DST sculpt, not a re-hash of a re-hash of a crappy fig.

* Admiral Motti, my personal favorite of the lot, I'd vote for him if I bothered to register at hasbro's site. Great for fodder and an overall excellent imp officer.

* Stormtrooper Han, WTF??? Instead of having made the DS Screen scene a Walmart exclusive and having them be the ugliest figs on the planet, they wanna re-release the figs one at a time? BLAH all around there!

Thoughts?  ;)
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: SilverZ on February 24, 2004, 03:04 AM
I'm setting the Way-Back Machine to 1993 so I may proclaim this to be:

WHACK.

In fact, I won't even vote in this, just because this is about as low and insulting of an act they could have come up with. Tacky. Why bother asking our opinions on this after the fact of putting gems like Wicket and Xwing Luke into the OTC line?

For one, its obvious that R2 and Motti need to be repacked just because of scarcity the first time around. ReeYees became the first online pegwarmer once it hit the Wizards site. There's been plenty of chances for everyone to get the DST - and it's not even a sculpt competitive with today's figures. Trash Compactor Han? I guess that means there's a 0.0% chance of ever getting a decent neutral Stormtrooper Han from the looks of this.

I hate to rip into them after SO much great news in the last few weeks, but come on, please, treat us with a bit more respect than this. Honestly.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Ben on February 24, 2004, 03:11 AM
I might register to vote for Motti, because mine has a loose arm and I'd like to get another.

Whatever.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Playgirl on February 24, 2004, 03:24 AM
thats one of the better reasons for voting i guess.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Darth Broem on February 24, 2004, 08:41 AM
Well I have to chime in with my 2 cents.  I don't like the concept of having to vote for a rehash figure period.  That works better for new never before done figs in my opinion.  Hasbro should be able to figure out for themselves what old figs to put on cards.  They don't need a fan poll for this IMO.  Now if they want to go that way then  throw Jorg Sacul, Ephant Mon, Kitik Keed'kak, Admiral Motti, or Ree Yees into the poll.  Since basically those were made but quite hard for MOST people to find or acquire.  
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Scott on February 24, 2004, 09:12 AM
Lets make matters worse shall we...the Imperial Scanning Tech has now been added to the voting list
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Mikey D on February 24, 2004, 09:22 AM
Craptastic choices...

As others have already mentioned, these figures weren't that hard to track down and this is coming from someone who never saw any of them on the pegs (excluding the Imperial Scanning Trooper).  

I'm not one who buys re-hashes on new cards unless its a figure I don't already own, ie, MOTD Vader and Maul.  Since I already own all of these, I won't buy most of them.  The only only that is a possibility is the Imperial Scanner, as I wouldn't mind another to complete the "set", even if it's such a ****** figure.  

Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: proudfather2 on February 24, 2004, 10:34 AM
Let's see, DS Trooper got carded. Ree Yees got carded. Motti got carded. R2 w/ Holo Leia got carded. The choice is a no brainer for me. If they're gonna put out old figures anyway, at least they were kind enough to give us a choice with one of 'em. I voted for Stormy Han for the simple reason that we've never had a carded version in the modern line. It's about damn time we get one! Hopefully the OTC line will also see a Luke in Stromtrooper gear to compliment him. Hell, who are they kidding here, they'll release all of them again anyway.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Rob on February 24, 2004, 10:49 AM
Ah,but now that you've voted for Stormie Han, they've added Imperial Scanning Crew Trooper - who has never been carded.

Do people who already voted get their votes back?  Or did they get the shaft again?!
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Jesse James on February 24, 2004, 11:14 AM
Oh Good God...

So now they're CHANGING the whole damn poll mid-way through voting?

WTF!?  Now that's stupidity squared.

I can say that, if it is the Scanning Tech from the Carrying case (which is what they list) I wouldn't vote for him.  I actually got that figure on clearance a couple times over at Wal-Mart, so I was lucky enough to get him, but I can also safely say that he's a pisspoor figure by today's standards.

I can't believe they'd RE-release that thing and not just cast an Imperial Officer in grey and pack in the blue box accessory.

I really am beginning to think the short busses last stop is at Hasbro's front door.  This year was shaping up to be nice, but they're killing it left and right now...

Limiting the Vintage Super Articulated figures...  This craptacular Fan's Choice Poll...  LACK of new figures for the latter part of the year (or so it seems right now)...  Re-Releases that make no sense sometimes, and others that would make sense getting passed over...

They nailed us with a great week leading up to Toy Fair, then they've done nothing but drop the ball since Toy Fair.  Maybe I'm alone in my assessment of them there, but I have a feeling a lot of people are feeling the same way right now.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Rob on February 24, 2004, 01:07 PM
I'm usually pretty supportive of hasbro when people complain about what they do - but I'm with you 100% here.

This has been a very disappointing two or three weeks - and is starting to look like it will be a fairly disappointing year.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: SilverZ on February 24, 2004, 02:43 PM
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So now they're CHANGING the whole damn poll mid-way through voting?

Now this is getting laughable stupid. Are they playing a joke? Did Hasbro have a contest we didn't know about? One of the "run Hasbro for a day" things? That's the only way to explain what's been going on there this week. It's as if a 5 year-old was running the show.

And this after what had to be the best outlook for the modern line in years? Way to go, Hasbro.  ::)

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Posted by: Kneel Before Zod
This has been a very disappointing two or three weeks - and is starting to look like it will be a fairly disappointing year.

I'm still thrilled beyond belief with the OTC and V/OTC lineup for the year, even with limited releases, etc. So personally I'm not going to be disappointed with this year, but I have to agree, this poll sure lowered my expectations right back down.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Scott on February 24, 2004, 02:50 PM
I really shouldn't complain, I look at the first half of 2004 as one of the greatest eras of Modern SW collecting of all time, the 3 Generals, R1-G4, Jabba, Dagobah Wave, Bespin Wave, all of it is awesome.  The VOTC is one of the greatest ideas to ever come out of Hasbro.  

This whole thing is souring me totally right now, as I pointed out over at RS, you can buy or trade for any of these at any message board or on eBay right now.  The rereleases do not bother me, I understand the logic and I applaud the effort to bring new collectors into the fold

The specialness of the FC poll though is now obliterated...this mornings blunder is even more infuriating.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Rob on February 24, 2004, 03:47 PM
I LOVE the new packaging for the OTC, but am concerned with the abnormally high (even for Hasbro) number of repacks.  And the lack of announcements on actual new figures for the year.

I also LOVE the VOTC idea - but am not happy with the 10$ price (which I understand the reasons for) because I buy two of everything - so I'm looking at $240 plus tax on 12 figures.  And I'm also not happy with the idea that it will be such a limited release - making them (more than likely) difficult to find.

I'm also not thrilled about rereleasing more vintage era vehicles...I mean, I understand it's for nostalgia, but they've been using these molds for decades now.  This would have been the PERFECT time to fix the TIE Fighter and scale it's wings approrpriately, but instead we get the incorrect version, for the fourth time.

Then there was the failure (IMO) of the JMP auctions - and this perposterous fan choice 'poll.'

A few announcements confirming some of the fantastic figures that were on the rumor lists for the last few months would right the ship for me - but at the moment it looks like I'll be spending a fortune this year on 95% resculpts and repacks.  If this is the case, I'll just tone down the completist dial a bit
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Diddly on February 24, 2004, 06:06 PM
I just don't understand Hasbro. They do something to get collectors happy, then do something else to upset them. >:(
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Darby on February 24, 2004, 08:37 PM
I can't say it any better than the rest of you.  Someone has really dropped the ball over there.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Darby on February 25, 2004, 12:19 AM
Imp. Scanning Tech Last Minute Candidacy: Hasbro Pulls A Nader.   ;)
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Ben on February 25, 2004, 12:33 AM
Imp. Scanning Tech Last Minute Candidacy: Hasbro Pulls A Nader.   ;)

Brilliant!

I don't have a Scanning Crew Trooper, but I don't think it deserves to be carded in the vastly superior modern line. We have enough pegwarmers here; no need to make it worse.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: CorranHorn on February 25, 2004, 03:47 AM
I can't believe they'd RE-release that thing and not just cast an Imperial Officer in grey and pack in the blue box accessory.

Yeah but that's what we call common sense. You know hasbro doesn't have any of that.  :D

Well it looks like I was wrong, the community has changed its mind about getting these figures re-released and just hates this whole FC #6 poll. Lets just be careful though, too much complaining over this process and hasbro just may scrap the whole FC concept.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Angry Ewok on February 25, 2004, 10:38 AM
Please clarify -

Is Hasbro going to redo the winner? Or simply repack the old one on a new card? I don't see how they could possibly do this with the Scan Tech.

I want a Motti, ReeYees, DST, and Scan Tech... but I want a new sculpt. I may end up voting for Motti simply because the actor of Motti bought a life supply of the figures so he could pawn them off with his signature.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Brian on February 25, 2004, 10:52 AM
Here's the latest results:

R2-D2 with holographic Princess Leia: 15%
Admiral Motti : 17%
Ree-Yees : 12%
Death Star Trooper : 7%
Han Solo in Stormtrooper Disguise (from 2001 Trash Compactor Scene Pack): 26%
Imperial Scanning Crew Trooper (from Millennium Falcon Carrying Case): 23%

Although I don't have the Imperial Scanning Crew Trooper, I guess I am a little surprised that it is doing so well.  The pictures I have seen of this figure haven't really impressed me, and it most definitely wouldn't "fit in" with the sculpting quality of the current figures...at least in my opinion.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Scott on February 25, 2004, 11:28 AM
No resculpt, same old crap figures on new cards ::)
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Morgbug on February 25, 2004, 12:50 PM
I've had no problem getting any of those figures, but perhaps overpaid for the scanning tech.  

I currently have two loose and two carded Motti's, so  that would be disappointing, to say the least.  I've got two of everything except the tech.  

Weird thought processes going on...
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: SilverZ on February 26, 2004, 08:46 PM
Sorry if this was brought up earlier, but why are they even discussing repacks like this without first correcting the situation with Kitik Keed'Kak?  >:(
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Snively Bandar on February 27, 2004, 05:15 AM
Sorry I'm a little late to the Hasbro bashing party here, but I wanted to express my extreme dismay with Hasbro's latest gaffe - the Fan Choice poll #6.  They should be embarrassed for passing a Fan Choice off as this sham.  What a load of crap!   >:(

If Hasbro's finally figured out that NONE of these figures were easily attainable at retail for many collectors, then stop screwing around and just put them ALL back out!  How hard is that?  I just don't get it.  They're recarding and rereleasing all this other crap over and over, what with previous standard releases, HOF, Burger King glasses, OTC, etc., etc.  Yet through it all, they STILL won't rerelease any of the harder to find figures.  It's as if they're afraid to make a dent in the secondary market prices on these, as if it even mattered to them!   ::)

These fan's choice polls should be for new products.  That's what gets the fans and collectors excited.  As it is, Hasbro's just getting bashed left and right for this goof, so hopefully they're learning a valuable lesson, and will surprise us real SOON with fan choice poll #7, to make up for this atrocity (kind of like when they showed the Tatooine Saga Luke shortly after disappointing a lot of fans with the TRD version).

Come on Hasbro, you can do it!  You've proven to be more collector friendly now, so get back to that strategy and forget this nonsense!
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: JediMAC on February 27, 2004, 03:14 PM
So this was certainly encouraging news out of Hasbro's Q & A today...

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Question: Why isnít there a new sculpt option in the latest Fans' Choice Poll?

Answer: First, we should clarify a slight error in our original posting of this poll.  This is not Fans' Choice #6, and there will be no burst on the package when it is released.  An error was made in the editing process, and the sixth option was inadvertently removed instead of "#6".  That was quickly corrected, and we apologize if anyone who had already voted would have chosen differently.

They've somewhat restored my faith in them again with this announcement.  Wonder if they really goofed, or if they actually just backtracked after all the negative publicity and reactions to their new Fan Choice Poll...

Either way, I'm glad they've revised it...   8)
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Force Guy on February 27, 2004, 03:29 PM
"An error was made in the editing process." - Hasbro

Riiiiiiight....
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Jesse James on February 27, 2004, 07:11 PM
I'm gonna wager it's backpeddling at this point.

Otherwise that's a pretty stupid, and large error.

I think they saw the 99% negative feedback about it and rethought the concept.  I do agree that they wouldn't get a figure out in a years time if they held a poll for one, but who cares?  Hold a poll and make it a 1.5 years from now then, or whatever...

I don't mind the idea of asking us what to repack.  By all means, do so in an email format like their other market research and things, but don't pi$$ a Fan's Choice Poll away on reissues.  

And for god's sake, I wish people would stop with the "Hasbro doesn't owe us anything" BS I've read at some forums...  You'd think they worked for the damn company.  

Hasbro DOES owe a lot to its consumers.  That's business.  They SHOULD be kissing our rears, because it's us who makes this line profitable for them.  That's business.  

You utter words like that over at this same thread in Scum though, and you'll have umpteen people up your butt claiming you're "whining" too much.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: SilverZ on February 27, 2004, 08:23 PM
Not a tough wager, they're backpeddling faster than watching a Tour De France tape on rewind. As hard as I try not to, I have to harp on another Hasbro Q&A point:

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First, we should clarify a slight error in our original posting of this poll.  This is not Fans' Choice #6, and there will be no burst on the package when it is released.

So what was the poll you were actually running, if not a "Fan's Choice" poll? Because, one paragraph down, it sounds like that's exactly what it was always planned to be.

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Since it takes approximately 12 months to create a new figure and the DVD was not announced until Toy Fair, we didnít have enough time to run a Fansí Choice poll for the OTC line with all new figure options.

So you slapped together a bogus Fan's Choice 6 ATF and hoped it would do, and caught **** for it. And Hasbro didn't know anything about an OT push in 2004.  ::) You knocked out the V/OTC concept, packaging, and figures the night before the show, right?

Unless they didn't consciously run a poll in 2003 when they should have, in fear of spoiling the OT DVD announcement in Winter '04, that's a weak justification for this week's F-up and a pretty weak lie overall.

I realize I'm being really harsh over something in the end completely harmless and probably was put forward with good intentions to begin with, but man, it just was handled so poorly. In the end I guess they put things straight, but it sure hasn't built a lot of confidence in them. If I was working with a marketing group that launched a specific message, put our initiative in the fan base to support it, screwed it up, then backpeddled out of it, I'd be furious.

Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: JediMAC on February 27, 2004, 08:41 PM
My take on their spin Jared, is that it's not "Fan Choice #6", which would constitute an ALL NEW figure, like the previous 5.  This isn't that exciting type of Fan Choice Poll, in the series of the rest.

This is just a "fan choice poll".  Not the big time official type, but rather just Hasbro's way of trying to say, "hey - this isn't that big a deal really, but we'd love to get your input.  What do you collectors think about this topic?  Who should we re-release?"

As long as they stick with the Official Fan Choice (new figure) Polls, they can do as many of these little "sub-polls" about lesser issues or ideas.  Fine by me.  Just don't try to pass it off as the "real thing", like they tried to and got burned on.  Backpedaling?  Yeah, most likely...  But I'm still all for offering up our input on whatever's on their mind.  Glad to do it, as long as they still give us NEW figure polls to vote on too!   8)
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: SilverZ on February 27, 2004, 09:58 PM
I'm certainly not knocking the attempt to open the doors to collector participation. I guess what it is that I find suspicious, or at least unproductive, about this poll (Fans' Choice or Fan Survey) is that they're asking questions they already know answers to. They realize that all of those figures, including the DST and even Scanning Crew Guy, didn't get proper distribution and should be corrected. What offering a poll does, is create a backdoor for them to say they saw no demand for Figure X after Poll A, and therefore the collectors have spoken, and not ship a figure that, at some point, if not NOW, should be reshipped.

I know there's a lot to argue against this thought, but I'm of the mindset that they should just pick one of the figures, ship it, and let us guess when the next rerelease will happen, and who it will be.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Darby on February 27, 2004, 11:26 PM
I also find the current atmosphere at some other forums regarding this a little over the top.  I can't say I'm upset about the 'mistake' but what irks me is that it shows Hasbro still has yet to figure out the fan base.  

They know we all want those figures repacked, and if we have them already, we want them for our fellow collectors.  They know we want new, obscure figs and more Fan's Choice polls.  They know we want X, Y, and Z, and yet they do things like this that tank SO BAD they had to know it would suck from the get go.  

We're getting great figures.  Great selection, good value, this has been a good year so far.  Don't get me wrong.  It just makes you wonder.  How long have they been doing this now?  Nine years?  Give me a break.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Ben on February 28, 2004, 01:52 AM
"An error was made in the editing process." - Hasbro

Riiiiiiight....

That 'editing process' line is about as dumb as the 'wardrobe malfunction' line. How stupid do they think we are?

Anyway, I just want the damn figures. I want the V/OTC, I want the scanning crew trooper, and I don't want repacks. I don't want HOF reissues or stupid exclusives packed with kitchenware. I want a TIE with properly scaled wings. And, I'd like to find new waves at retail, because I'm now two waves behind. Take it as ye will, Hasbro. :-\
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: Jesse James on February 28, 2004, 03:29 PM
For those of us who DON'T agree that it's backpeddling (not that there's many of you hear so I'm really talking to myself on this one), the infamous MisterPL made mention at GalacticHunter that Hasbro knew as early as all other LFL Licensees (And I'd only thought of this after he pointed it out) back in November that they were releasing the trilogy on DVD.

So Hasbro's whole "Well this was a surprise to us" line is raw sewage.  

Lying's part of business, as sad as that is to say.  But as the consumers we have a right to be disheartened with a company that lies to us when we find out they do.  THey've lied about the plastics they use, and how low quality it is at times.  They've lied about other things.  It's just the way of things in business, but I guess I just get irritated at those who would blindly let this slip past without calling Hasbro on it.  Again, there's few here (if any) that I think would disagree with me, but Scum in particular has an army of people willing to jump right up and tell you to stop complaining.

If anything it's the complaining that GOT this response from Hasbro.  BS or not, it forced action on their part.  I for one say good for those of you who spoke your mind honestly about this rather than sitting there and "feeling lucky you got anything" like some would have you do.

Now if only we could get some word from them (Honest word) that the Vintage OTC figures will be released on basic cards for basic prices at some point in a "Hall of Fame" style re-release.  Even if it's after E3's onslaught.  I don't care.  I just wanna be able to BUY these things as often as I want.  They're too great NOT to pimp to the masses.  Hell, I'm buying them on the Vintage cards too.  I just want more than 2 sets.
Title: Re: Fan Choice #6
Post by: SilverZ on February 28, 2004, 04:53 PM
Yeah, I've gone back to lurking at RS for a long long time now since discussion just never has any contrasting opinions anymore. I'm frankly suprised that so many people have taken a "take it the way the serve it and like it" attitude there. Maybe it has to do with the younger age range of posters there, I dunno.

Now if only we could get some word from them (Honest word) that the Vintage OTC figures will be released on basic cards for basic prices at some point in a "Hall of Fame" style re-release.  Even if it's after E3's onslaught.  I don't care.  I just wanna be able to BUY these things as often as I want.  They're too great NOT to pimp to the masses.  Hell, I'm buying them on the Vintage cards too.  I just want more than 2 sets.

I'd like that too, but honestly, I don't expect them to address this until after the 3rd wave of V/OTC hits the streets. I'll hold off on my attack of thier product planning and distribution until it actually has a chance to sell, and once I've held the figures in my hand. Maybe they're actually worth (in the figure alone) more than the $4.99 price. I think if they announced that these would be available later at a reduced pricepoint, a lot of sales would be lost. So on this point with them I'll not criticise.

I'm frankly quite interested to see if the idea of $10.00 figs flies at retail, because I'd like to see a higher-end 3-3/4" line continue in some form in years to come. Maybe the 2nd go-round could be a more realistic $7.99 or something. A price where they have flexibility to design "Ultimate" versions with lots of articulation and better parts than they're forced to use to keep costs down.

Again, I completely agree that these are in danger of being too rare, and more than likely too expensive, for army building purposes and mass-consumption. But, it's an interesting market test and might yield some good things for the line. If that Stormtrooper is as jawdropping as the Vader that showed this morning, there's going to be HUGE demand that's going to need to be addressed somehow.
Title: Re: Fan Choice's On Repacks
Post by: Scott on March 4, 2004, 10:05 AM
Imperial Scanning Crew Trooper : 28%

Han Solo in Stormtrooper Disguise 23%

Admiral Motti : 17%

R2-D2 with holographic Princess Leia: 14%

Ree-Yees : 12%

Death Star Trooper : 6%

 ::)
Title: Re: Fan Choice's On Repacks
Post by: Brian on March 4, 2004, 10:38 AM
Not that it matters a whole lot really, but I guess I am kind of surprised that the Scanning Trooper is winning.  I personally don't have one either, but from the pictures I have seen of it online, it is definitely not in the category of today's sculpting/articulation, etc.  I mean, of course, I don't have to buy it if it wins...but I would just as soon have seen one of the other figures win this poll.  Especially since they are going to be placed on the nifty OTC packaging.  The Han Solo looks like the only one within striking distance, and I would much rather see a carded Stormtrooper Han for once, even though the figure isn't perfect.  It would still be neat to see I think.
Title: Re: Fan Choice's On Repacks
Post by: Scott on March 4, 2004, 01:42 PM
I don't care who wins really...kudos to the Scanning Crew supporters I guess :)
Title: Re: Fan Choice's On Repacks
Post by: Mainland05 on March 4, 2004, 02:25 PM
That is too bad.  I was really hoping that we could get a Han Solo (Stormtrooper Disguise), or R2-D2 (Holo Leia).  But oh well, I will still get this Imperial Scanning Crew Trooper.  Wonder if theis will be like Ephant Mon.  Is Captain Antilles hard to find at all?
Title: Re: Fan Choice's On Repacks
Post by: Diddly on March 4, 2004, 05:48 PM
Who the heck rigged this poll? I would think that more people would want R2/Holo Leia or Stormtrooper Han than a Scanning trooper from the "buff" days. Ah well, another fig for me to pass on.
Title: Re: Fan Choice's On Repacks
Post by: Jesse James on March 4, 2004, 08:10 PM
That Han sucks, though, plain and simple.  VERY scene specific.  So scene specific that he wouldn't even look right without the base he comes with.

That's one figure I could do without on the pegs...  Bad from top to bottom.

On the issue of R2, while he was good at the time, the Bar2-D2 figure is invariably superior in every way.  Deco, sculpt, etc...  Even doesn't have the restraining bolt the R2 w/holo leia has.  I'm just as content not to see it re-released.

My gripe is Motti, the only figure on that list that DID ship in limited quantities (R2 w/holo leia did float out at clearance prices in good #'s, and the Han Stormie was in a pack that I hear most areas had in plentiful form).  Motti figures never really saw clearance, and I'd wager at the genuine lack of these in people's collections, coupled with the fact they didn't see clearance really, makes Motti a legitimately tough to find figure.  Rare, I would debate, since he's cheap enough on Ebay (Like $10 or so), but tough to get rings true.

Even the scanner tech saw clearance here, but mostly because the Wedge set clogged the shelf space...  

Motti though, he was one I never personally saw ANYWHERE and was just thankful to get 3 in a case I ordered.  I'd buy some more for custom fodder too, but with Ozzel coming I don't know how many more I'd buy of Motti, ya know?

Honestly, not a single choice on that poll was thrilling to me, but I'm not a proponent or champion for repacks galore.  My stores are glutting up with these assinine repacks, and no "newb" collectors appear to be picking them up in droves.  

Call me selfish, I don't care, but to me if you can't go to Ebay then you should probably just have to suck up doing without the figure...  I think repacks, as Hasbro's doing now, should be shipped in relatively limited quantities.

Ultimate figures, and GOOD (stressing the term, "good") army builder figures are the only repacks I really see as legitimately good ideas.  SA Clones, as an example of the best of both examples, would be a hot item at retail once again...  Re-releasing the Red Clone, however, would not.  
Title: Re: Fan Choice's On Repacks
Post by: SilverZ on March 5, 2004, 01:05 AM
No surprise with those results. If you run with a sucky idea, you get sucky results. I'm not really entitled to complain since I didn't vote, but ugh, that figure was lame back in the day. It's just plain terrible now.

Makes me want to go on a Jay & Silent Bob style rampage and take all the inevitable pegwarming SCTs to the houses of those that voted for him, and shove them...
Title: Re: Fan Choice's On Repacks
Post by: Scott on March 5, 2004, 12:00 PM
And the winner appears to be the Scanning Tech, and that's without a day and a half worth of votes...I believe I have two of these bad boys already, they were sold separate from the cases at Toymaniacs...

Don't need anymore, thanks.  
Title: Re: Fan Choice's On Repacks
Post by: Jesse James on March 5, 2004, 05:27 PM
Oh, I'll take more of these...

But...

Only if they're utilizing the legs of the Saga TIE Pilot, body of the Imperial Officer figure, and new arms.  I don't care if they reuse the head or not.

Why, oh why, would Hasbro ever contemplate releasing this when this figure has a better sculpt.

Hell, I'd be happy if it was even just the Imp Officer in grey instead of black.  Not this thing.  This figure's gonna at least look funny on pegs next to new figures.
Title: Re: Fan Choice's On Repacks
Post by: Scott on October 6, 2004, 07:15 PM
A just obtained this guy through a trade and it was sort of a throw in, he was offering it as a package deal so I took him up on it...

Horrible...just horrible that they rereleased this figure in this line.

Why the **** they didn't put a new head on the AT-ST suit is beyond asinine...sometimes I wonder who had the brain over there on the day decisions like this were made ::)
Title: Re: Fan Choice's On Repacks
Post by: SilverZ on October 6, 2004, 07:49 PM
Well, the paint apps look 100 times better than before.  :-\

I don't even have the old one, it sucked so bad I just pretended it didn't exist. Now that I have the OTC sitting here, does he have a completley new head from the old one, or is it just really well painted? The old head looked like it was from a vintage figure.
Title: Re: Fan Choice's On Repacks
Post by: Scott on October 6, 2004, 08:55 PM
Its definitely a new head

(http://www.entertainmentearth.com/images/thumbnails/HS84715Q5lg.jpg)
Title: Re: Fan Choice's On Repacks
Post by: Diddly on October 6, 2004, 10:08 PM
Body paintjob is REALLY good, but everything else about it sucks.
Title: Re: Fan Choice's On Repacks
Post by: Jesse James on October 6, 2004, 11:11 PM
I thought the heads looked the same, but the OTC one just looked INCREDIBLY better.  I know the hat looks nowhere near as crisp as the Imperial Officer variant figures though.  I thought it was the same head then just painted better.  God knows that would've taken no effort considering the original scanner tech had 2 black dots for eyes basically.  :)
Title: Re: Fan Choice's On Repacks
Post by: Scott on October 6, 2004, 11:16 PM
By gosh it is the same head, the new paint apps are the thing that threw me
Title: Re: Fan Choice's On Repacks
Post by: Jesse James on October 6, 2004, 11:17 PM
That good?  :)  Still, I like my techs to take their anabolic Steroid tests regularly.  This guy somehow avoided the pee test.
Title: Re: Fan Choice's On Repacks
Post by: Mikey D on October 7, 2004, 08:13 AM
I picked up a Scanning trooper recently.  What good is one?  As for the beefcake body - well those boxes can't be light.  Agreed it's not the best fig in the world, but won't look to bad in the background of dioramas.