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Community => Watto's Junk Yard => Topic started by: SilverZ on April 15, 2004, 06:40 PM
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Alright, got my ticket for the 12:20am show tonight. Can't wait. Wasn't too thrilled with the first one when I saw it in theaters, turned around and LOVED it on second viewing. Who's excited? Who's skipping it? ;)
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I'm going first thing tomorrow. I love the first one. Can't wait.
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i'm going to have to wait until sunday morning to go see it, and it's killing me. i loved the first one, and must have watched it at least 10 times already. i read an interview with q.t. where he says that after vol. 2 wraps up it's theatrical run, he's going to try and bring the japanese versions of both films over to the u.s. for a short theatrical run, hopefully a double feature, and then release nc-17 rated versions on dvd. i'm dying to get my hands on an import of the vol. 1 with the full color house of blue leaves scene.
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My Japanese version just shipped from Amazon.co.jp. ;D HOBL in color by next week!
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I'll be seeing Kill Bill 2 pretty soon... I'm wondering if 1 & 2 will be put on a DVD together, cause I'd rather have that than buying both seperately.
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I've heard nothing but great stuff about Volume 2...sounds like a good time
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I loved Volume 1, one of the best movies of the last 5 years IMO and Volume 2 looks cooler still. Tarantino was on with Conan last night or two nights ago, he rules. Conan wants him to cast George Jefferson in his next movie since he's resurrected Travolta Pam Grier and now David Caradine
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Ok, saw it last night. I thought it was great! There's a chapter that is devoted to The Bride's training in China that is brilliant, especially for 70's kung-fu buffs. There's one camera zoom that is priceless. What is completely surprising is the change of tone and pacing that happens early on. It becomes way more character oriented than Vol1, complete with all the dialog you'd have expected from a Tarantino movie and didn't get much of in the previous movie. I felt that not only was it great on its own, but brought a whole new layer to Vol1, delivering much needed backstory and emotional impact to the story.
I'd even go as far as to say it's inspired.
It's a lot of material for one movie, that's for sure, and I'd be interested to see an edit of it together as one movie, though I think the split was the right thing to do. The split gave it a serial feel. I think it might be overblown as one big flick.
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A guy at DVDTalk just posted some pics of the color HOBL sequence from the r2 DVD:
(http://myweb.hinet.net/home9/j711341/kimovie.jpg)
DVDTalk Thread (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=de9fc1504c9aa62c2df80ff5f849546c&threadid=358617)
Can't wait! ;D
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I saw Vol. 2 tonight, and it's amazing. Both these films are, a grand epic of filmmaking. Wow.
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Read this the other day:
With a week still left before KILL BILL VOLUME 2 opens in theaters, Quentin Tarantino has come out and said he's already got a killer idea in mind for a third volume in the revenge driven movie series -- and the seeds were planted in the first film. Guess where and with who?
"The star will be Vernita Green's (Vivica A. Fox's) daughter, Nikki (Ambrosia Kelley)," Tarantino told Entertainment Weekly. "I've already got the whole mythology: Sofie Fatale (Julie Dreyfus) will get all of Bill's money. She'll raise Nikki, who'll take on The Bride."
The filmmaker said he's going to shoot the movie in 10 or 15 years, giving the necessary time needed for Kelley to grow up and become an adult. "Nikki deserves her revenge every bit as much as The Bride deserved hers. I might even shoot a couple of scenes for it now so I can get the actresses while they're at this age."
what do you think? true or b.s.?? personally, i think it's a bunch of b.s.
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I heard about a third one, but I doubt he'd wait that long.
He can always find another actress to play an older Nikki. Plus makeup or bad lighting can make Uma look older.
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Love to see a third one too, but then again, I'm still waiting for the "Vega Brothers" movie he kept promising 10 years ago. He needs to speed up his output!
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well, just came back from witnessing this amazing vision brought to the screen... and i loved it. the 2 friends i was with were both disappointed. they just kept complaining about how boring it was, and how much more action was involved with vol. 1. i would almost agree with that, considering that the action/violence is toned down in this movie. but then again, how do you compete with the house of blue leaves? you can't.
overall, i think these two movies were awesome, and i'd love to see someone do a "phantom edit" type of deal when vol. 2 comes out on dvd, maybe re-arranging a few scenes to better split up the action scenes and the more dramatic, dialog driven ones.
and, i may be alone in this, but i was expecting more - much more - from the final fight. it left me a little disappointed.
but i loved it none the less.
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I'll be seeing Kill Bill 2 tonight, I think - naturally here'll be the first place I come to once I'm back.
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Got the R2 DVD this morning. The HOBL is all in color, but there's a lot of restored bits in it as well, mostly gore. Here's what I've noticed so far:
-"Revenge is a dish best served cold. (-Old Klingon proverb)" card before credits has been replaced by "This film is dedicated to master filmmaker Kinji Fukasaku, 1930-2003"
- Origin of O-Ren anime has several inserts of Matsumora's death; katana slicing up torso, exposed intestines, about 4 inserts.
- Go-Go's Intro has an extended shot of the disembowelment of her "friend", showing intestines hitting the floor.
- House of Blue Leaves is obviously in color, but also includes several additional shots, more than I could keep track of. Of note, a reaction shot by Sophie to a dismemberment of a Crazy 88, and several additional gore shots, as far as I can tell so far.
- Sophie's interrogation has the addition of The Bride hacking off her right arm, blood hits camera.
This qualifies the Japanese version as an entirely unique version of the movie.
There's also a ton of additional supplements that aren't on the US DVD, including a lot more making-of material on the anime sequence, and a behind the scenes video, unnarrated about the HOBL.
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I thought Kill Bill one sucked, and had very low expectations for volume two. I went to see it on opening night with a bunch of friends at the best theater (which is always half the experience in itself) and must admit that volume 2 is a far better movie than the first. It also has the character development and dialog that in retrospect makes Volume 1 "good".
My only big beef is that this WASN'T released as one long movie, edited a little differently. Seeing this movie made me realize how many parts KB1 is missing, and what a shame it is that Tarantino thought the American public couldn't stomach the whole thing. I know I would have much rather seen this in a theater all at once (maybe with intermission a la' Dances with Wolves).
Overall, the movie itself gets a thumbs up from me....and I can't wait to see if he'll do a big special edition DVD where the whole thing is edited together the way it should be.
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I thought Kill Bill one sucked, and had very low expectations for volume two. I went to see it on opening night with a bunch of friends at the best theater (which is always half the experience in itself) and must admit that volume 2 is a far better movie than the first. It also has the character development and dialog that in retrospect makes Volume 1 "good".
My only big beef is that this WASN'T released as one long movie, edited a little differently. Seeing this movie made me realize how many parts KB1 is missing, and what a shame it is that Tarantino thought the American public couldn't stomach the whole thing. I know I would have much rather seen this in a theater all at once (maybe with intermission a la' Dances with Wolves).
Overall, the movie itself gets a thumbs up from me....and I can't wait to see if he'll do a big special edition DVD where the whole thing is edited together the way it should be.
It had nothing to do with Tarentino - and everything to do with the studio. They wouldn't allow it out as one film to do length and they wouldn't allow it with all the gore due to the fact that movies with any rating worse than R do crap at the box office.
In theory - the two films should be edited together - because it is only one movie - in a directors cut version with everything QT wanted for release on DVD eventually. I'm holding out my purchasing until then.
People who liked one KB more than the other should really say "I liked the ending more than the beginning."
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In theory - the two films should be edited together - because it is only one movie - in a directors cut version with everything QT wanted for release on DVD eventually. I'm holding out my purchasing until then.
Yeah. I borrowed KB1 to watch the other day before KB2 (to refresh my memory, and give it a second try). I still thought it sucked, but at least I remembered who O-Ren Ishii was when I went into the theater for V2.
But I definitely would not buy the DVD of either movie until it had some sort of cool "watch it all together" feature. Otherwise, it's a netflix at best for me.
People who liked one KB more than the other should really say "I liked the ending more than the beginning."
Exactly. Seeing V2 really helped me to understand just how much better this would have been as one big movie. It made the first movie (which was really just an idiotic kung fu fest) actually have some coolness factor to it. I mean, you understand a little more about who "The Bride" is and why she's on her rampage. Plus...you get the "kiddo" joke. ;D
Anyway...I realize you're right, and it was probably the studios who didn't think this would play as one big movie...but again, I hope to have that option down the road with DVD>
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Kill Bill Volume 2 was incredible. At first, I thought it wouldn't match up to the first, but ultimately, I liked it much better than Volume 1. Volume 2 was more character-driven, which was great. We finally got an in-depth look at Bill's character and a look at Beatrice's background (especially her martial arts training with Pai Mei). I thought that the fight scene between Elle and Beatrice was awesome & it met my expectations. I'm curious on whether or not the Bride kept Budd's Hanzo sword or Bill's Hanzo sword, to keep as trophies or keepsakes.
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I"m tellin' you man - she didn't keep mementos. They were secondary and of no importance.
The only thing she took with her other than her own sword for any sentimental reason would be her daughter.
Other than that anything she took along (like the pussywagon) was for functional use only. Her motives weren't possession-based, not even a little bit.
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I"m tellin' you man - she didn't keep mementos. They were secondary and of no importance.
The only thing she took with her other than her own sword for any sentimental reason would be her daughter.
Other than that anything she took along (like the pussywagon) was for functional use only. Her motives weren't possession-based, not even a little bit.
I realize that the Bride wasn't possession-oriented, but you have to put a Samurai sword in its proper context. The Samurai regarded their swords as the "soul" of their warriorship. The Samurai held their swords in the highest regard, and even named them. Their swords were spiritual. So considering that a Hanzo sword was the best type of sword in the world and not just given to anyone, it's interesting to flirt with the idea that, at the very least, the Bride kept Bill's Hanzo sword. Maybe I'm just crazy.
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Fair enough. I doubt it's more than an interesting thing to ponder though - I didn't notice anything in the film that made me think she'd kept either one of them. I believe I specifically remember her not keeping the first sword...
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Tiny Spoiler
I'll bet she kept her sword - as its been said there is a bond between a swordsman and his/her sword... Which is why what's his face didin't really pawn off the sword like he said he did. ::). I didn't believe that for a second.
Did anyone notice how, in the credits, they put a question-mark over the one-eye bitch?
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You know, I really didn't mind the whole House of Blue Leaves fight being in Black and White, maybe I'm in the minority on that one but I really didn't need to see her dismembering and inviscerating 88 hired goons. MY favorite scene of Vol1 is right before she goes in to face Ishii she tells everyone to leave their body parts...and all of the guys are moaning as they walk out the door. Classic ;D
I haven't seen Vol 2 yet...I've heard nothing but glowing reports on it though from everyone here and people I have talked to,
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You know, I really didn't mind the whole House of Blue Leaves fight being in Black and White, maybe I'm in the minority on that one
I like it in black and white, its artistic looking. Also blends w/ scenes in Vol.2 that way.
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You know, I really didn't mind the whole House of Blue Leaves fight being in Black and White, maybe I'm in the minority on that one
I like it in black and white, its artistic looking. Also blends w/ scenes in Vol.2 that way.
I'm kinda a purist and want it to be in color - and not because I dislike the way it looked - but because it was intended to be in color and was changed to B&W to avoid an NC-17 rating.
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I can't decide I want it the way it was released, or the way it was intended. There's purists on both sides of the fence.
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I can't decide I want it the way it was released, or the way it was intended. There's purists on both sides of the fence.
In the end, for me it comes down to the artist. I trust Tarentino to make a movie more than I trust a studio - who's main motive is profit.
Of course, George Lucas and his wretched Special Editions have thrown this all out of whack. But the SE wasn't so much an editing decision as it was a reworking of a previous film - so I'll stick with the Director's cut as being the 'real' version of a film - IMO of course...
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Yeah, preferring B&W is entirely valid. That is the way it was presented in US theaters, with the decision to do so made by the director, and makes sense that the DVD is a reflection of that. It's not like the studio chopped the movie up after the fact. I'd actually be annoyed if it was altered for home video. I tend to keep theatrical versions of movies/DVDs even when SE's or "Director's Cuts" come available, to preserve what was seen theatrically.
The color Vol1, to me, along with its other edits/changes, is a great example of a director making adjustments to his work to consider audiences tastes and tolerances in different parts of the world. (There's probably a few guys in Japan salivating over the US release of Showgirls, so they don't have to see pubic regions mosaic'ed out).
It doesn't make one version better than the other, and what makes the difference in debating who likes what better, is that BOTH versions are readily available for the viewer to decide what he prefers. That's a choice that's been taken away with the Lucas revisionist mentality.
I believe that's the first time I've ever used the phrase "pubic regions" in a post, anywhere. Hurray!
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One word of advice, one use of "pubic regions" might be enough :-*
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Ok, this is interesting, even if insulting to us customers, but Digital Bits posted this quote:
"This is the beauty of having two volumes," said Rick Sands, chief operating officer at Miramax. "Vol. 1 goes out, Vol. 2 goes out, then Vol. 1 Special Edition, Vol. 2 Special Edition, the two-pack, then the Tarantino collection as a boxed set out for Christmas. It's called multiple bites at the apple. And you multiply this internationally." Mr. Tarantino has also cut an alternate version of the movie for Japan.
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Son of a! They're taking advantage of us!!! Damn them, sort of the way the LOTR DVD's are handled, I know I'll buy a 16 disc mega set a few years from now even though I own both the Theatrical and the EE
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I just can't believe he said that to a reporter. How stupid can you be. Well, thanks for the heads up, buddy. I was only planning on buying the special editions anyway.
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So, I finally caught this the other night, and really, really enjoyed it. Liked it better than the first--which, unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to see until the DVD came out (missed it in theatres last fall). And I think I would have liked the first a lot better if I saw it in theatres--it just seems like it's one of those movies that loses something at home.
So, I'm hoping that both of them will be re-mixed and re-released theatrically, maybe later this fall.
And, how fun was Gordon Liu to watch as the ancient martial arts instructor, "Pai Mei"? That sequence was my favorite of the whole film, and I'm embarrassingly unfamiliar with any kind of Hong Kong/kung fu movies. I've spent a few minutes on Google, and only found one picture of this guy in character, and even that didn't work. Needless to say, they need to release an action figure of this guy.
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So, I'm hoping that both of them will be re-mixed and re-released theatrically, maybe later this fall.
apparently, quentin has this same exact plan. but to put an interesting twist on it, he's going to be editing the japanese versions - both of which are different from the u.s. versions - together as one nc-17 rated four hour flick. i, for one, can't wait.
i was able to acquire a copy of the japanese version of kb1 with the added scenes and full color house of blue leaves scene. after watching it - three times so far - i am salivating to see this version on the big screen.
And, how fun was Gordon Liu to watch as the ancient martial arts instructor, "Pai Mei"? That sequence was my favorite of the whole film, and I'm embarrassingly unfamiliar with any kind of Hong Kong/kung fu movies. I've spent a few minutes on Google, and only found one picture of this guy in character, and even that didn't work. Needless to say, they need to release an action figure of this guy.
that is the best scene in the movie imo, especially when the camera zooms in to his face in that extreme close up. that, and the sound fx everytime he swooshed his beard. classic. an excellent homage to the movies i grew up watching on saturday afternoon, with the bad english dubbing and worse "special" effects.
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I too missed volume one in the theatres, but watched the DVD this Monday and checked out volume two last night, and the thought of a remixed NC 17 version coming out this fall sounds incredible! I can't believe anyone watched volume one and didn't enjoy it (that's a Tarantino fan anyway). I thought it was easily the best movie I've seen in the last year, and now adding the storyline from volume two with it, this is easily one of my all time favorites.
I'm with Virex (and many others) in saying the scenes with Pai Mei were worth the price of admission alone. I'm begging for a figure to be made of him now!
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gonna see this tonight
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Missed volume I in theaters also, but did manage to borrow a friend's bootleg copy and saw it about a month before it actually hit the store shelves.
We went and saw volume II and loved it. Better than I (which was also good). Great stuff. Pai Mei training and the fight with Elle were the best (spoiler - does she now wear two eye patches? ;)) I also enjoyed Bill's comic book dialogue.
I didn't buy the dvd because I'm waiting for the special edition. Now it seems that there may be multiple versions? Definitely have to keep up to to speed with what's coming out.
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I saw this flick today. Loved it.
That is such BS that they're going to release that many versions on DVD. Well, look at Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction--those movies have a bunch of different editions for each. As long as they don't make any changes to anything, I won't buy.
It does suck that they just don't release a Special Edition in the first place, but what can ya do. >:(
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That is such BS that they're going to release that many versions on DVD. Well, look at Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction--those movies have a bunch of different editions for each.
Not counting the "different cover for each guy" shenanigans with the Reservoir Dogs: Special Edition disc--both RD and Pulp Fiction have had two American releases each. RD had the original, featureless disc in '97, and the 2-disc SE in '02; PF came out as a piece of crap disc in '97 or '98, and then the nice SE in '02, as well. For movies that popular, two releases, five years apart ain't that bad. Compare that to something like Spider-Man or Men In Black--films which have three or four different versions released within a span of two or three years. . .
Now, the Kill Bill 1/2 situation is different--I mean, the whole reason there are two films to begin with is because the Miramax execs saw dollar signs when they realized they could make a lot more money with a couple of hour-and-a-half Tarantino flicks instead of one three-hour epic. And of course they realized that not only could they sell twice as many tickets, but at least twice as many DVDs, as well, if not many more.
It's just the way it works now. Doesn't mean it sucks any less, though. I just hope that whatever other editions are in the works, are set to come out at the same time as the regular Volume 2 later this fall. . .
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I thought Pulp Fiction had a bunch more releases than that.
Wrong. Must be getting my wires crossed somewhere.
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Um...
Yeah. Just a bit late to the party, but I finally got around to seeing Vol2 last night.
Very good.
I liked it more than the first, but I agree with those of you who said the first one is better because of the second. It really should have been 1 movie... dang studios!
Anyway, I'll probably end up picking up both Vol1 and Vol2 on DVD now that I know I like both parts. ;)
Jeff
"I was wondering, just 'tween us girls, what did you say to Pai Mei for him to snatch out your eye? "
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2 Kids + Me Traveling a Lot + Not Much Free Time = Me and the Mrs Watching Volume 2 tonight for the first time ever
I can honestly say I liked Volume 1 better, not that I don't mind and didn't think Vol 2 was great because it was, I just didn't care for the over use of dialogue and drawn out ending that is the trademark of Tarantino...that has alaways been my biggest beef with his movies and this one was no different.
Great story, great images and characters, loved the whole thing and I bow down to the mind that is Tarantino he just needs some work in ending his movies 20 minutes earlier than what they do
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Where can I learn to do the five point exploding heart online?
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Where can I learn to do the five point exploding heart online?
You must seek out Pai Mei (http://www.y31.net/paimei/)
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ahhh!! seizure!!
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Where can I learn to do the five point exploding heart online?
You must seek out Pai Mei (http://www.y31.net/paimei/)
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I KEEL YOU! Damn you bitch. Damn you!
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not sure if this has been posted already, but check out this pretty neat kill bill flash game (http://kill-bill.cz/game/index.php) - it's not in english, but just click the button "hrat" to start and use your up, down, left and right arrow keys to kill all the crazy 88 gang members. pretty cool, and damn addictive.
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Yep, but not in this thread! :P
kill-bill.cz/game (http://kill-bill.cz/game/index.php)
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That is a cool lottle game.
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I've never got below 20. They just keep coming! :o
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i got to 6... 6!! dammit. i want to see what happens when you kill them all!!
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i got to 6... 6!! dammit. i want to see what happens when you kill them all!!
I just got them all & still had 1/4% life left! (http://www.snowtroopers.ca/forum/YaBBImages/lipsrsealed.gif)
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That's my favorite thing ever. ;D
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Hey! I killed 32 on my first try!
;D
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Beat it after two tries, but I must say, the Hanzo sword did most of the work.
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