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Community => Watto's Junk Yard => Topic started by: Ben on February 3, 2005, 02:52 AM
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'Enterprise' cancelled. (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/9469.html)
So the show finally starts to get a little better, and Moonves pulls the plug.
It's too bad they're killing it instead of letting it thrive in syndication. UPN didn't arrive here until a few months ago, and I'm sure other markets don't even have it at all.
And Enterprise didn't even reach the magical 100 episodes needed for syndication. (Only 98 at the end of the season.)
I guess the show just doesn't fit in with dreck like 'Kevin Hill'.
Anyway, **** UPN. I expect a bigger fan backlash than what happened to 'Angel' when that got canned. Or maybe no one cares after all.
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Chris Berry will care... :P
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It's too bad, because it just started to get good. But you kind of feel like you do when an old relative dies, it's something you long expected. Trek has been on its last legs for years now, and maybe a rest is just what it needs.
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Maybe now Trek can switch to films exclusively. New ship, new crew, Rick Berman and Brannon Braga nowhere to be seen... ;)
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Enterprise goes the way of the Babylon 5 syndrome. Dull in the begining and slowly gets better towards the end.
Maybe now Trek can switch to films exclusively. New ship, new crew, Rick Berman and Brannon Braga nowhere to be seen... ;)
We shall see. ;)
Berman: Trek XI To Be Bigger & Better Than Ever (http://www.trektoday.com/news/180105_01.shtml)
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I actually liked that show. It was the only thing UPN had in the way of a good show. I'd like to see the NEW Star Trek show go to Sci-Fi... The Sci-Fi channel would be more than happy to give it prime time, I'm sure - as they're so desperate they're airing 'Ripley's Believe It or Not'....
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I watched it, yeah, its not totally unexpected that it would be cancelled. I really gave it a chance, liked the characters, and saw some great episodes, but its been hard keeping a solid interest in it because of some of the decisions. Archer, though I like the actor and parts of his character, just did so many things out of character of a Starfleet captain. I wouldn't be surprised if more people are glad to see this go than are supporting it. I'd still give it another season, but, whatev.
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I haven't been a fan of any of the shows since the original series, but I really took a liking to Enterprise recently after abandoning it for under delivering on the great premise right out the gate in the season one. And that song during the credits made me want to slash my wrists. This season seemed to fix a lot of that.
It's a shame since its a good cast with Scott Bakula a real standout, and the stories are really hitting a bulls eye on what I enjoyed about the original series - character based scifi ideas with a touch of camp and action. Less of the horse**** soap opera garbage that I saw every time I endured the other modern series and the nauseating PC/newage lameness of TNG.
But from what I understand those same tired mentalities were the cornerstone of Ent's first through third seasons, so it's understandable that it's going away. I
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And why do I feel it will be necessary to offer JediMAC a warm glass of shut the hell up in this thread?
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Hey, I resent that! I hate warm milk. >:(
And I was biting my tongue, and not even going to say anything about Star Trek! :-*
So please don't make me start now. But as Star Wars fans, you should all be ashamed of yourselves! You can't like both. It's just not allowed. It's one of the world's greatest rivalries. You must pick one or the other. No fence riding here.
But yeah, vintage Star Trek was kinda cool. I've certainly gained a greater appreciation of it over the years. :-X :-[
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Hey, I resent... BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.
You have troubled me for a warm glass of shut the hell up. Congrats! ;)
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UPN is already gay, they want too much money for our cable network to pick them up. I mean, it's UPN, they run 10 hours of ****** programming a week, how much money could they want?!?!
On the other hand, WWE is getting booted from their network, maybe I can stop downloading that show and watch it when it actually airs.
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I read the news in the paper this morning and I'm sad to see Enterprise get killed too early in it's run. Unfortunately, the first two seasons of Enterprise were so similar in plotlines, I mean how many times could Archer get kidnapped? I think that had a lot to do with the attitude towards Enterprise in terms of network execs and the fanbase. It wasn't until the unifying story arc of season 3 that Enterprise began to really get noticed. Season 4 with its 3 episode story arcs has been moving along just nicely.
I read some interesting conjecture in regards to Enterprise in an article about the WWE. As Diddly mentioned, there has been talk about UPN cancelling WWE Smackdown, as well as Spike TV cancelling WWE RAW (really both imply that broadcast contracts would not be renewed at the end of their terms), as both stations are owned by Viacom, the writer of the article suggested moving Enterprise to Spike TV which is trying to get away from it's male-oriented programming. That would be a great idea in my mind. Let UPN cancel Enterprise, give it a few months off, then restart the series on Spike, BUT make it a few years later, closer to the formation of the Federation and I think you'll have a kickass tv series.
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I didn't care for this show myself... That's just me though. I was more PO'd that Spike took TNG and DS9 (right when they got rights to DS9) and put them on at like 11 a.m. to 3 p.m., when I can't watch them.
The evening timeslots rocked... >:(
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I didn't care for this show myself... That's just me though. I was more PO'd that Spike took TNG and DS9 (right when they got rights to DS9) and put them on at like 11 a.m. to 3 p.m., when I can't watch them.
The evening timeslots rocked... >:(
*cough*vcr*cough*
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I didn't care for this show myself... That's just me though. I was more PO'd that Spike took TNG and DS9 (right when they got rights to DS9) and put them on at like 11 a.m. to 3 p.m., when I can't watch them.
The evening timeslots rocked... >:(
I've been taping them everyday for months, but four hours of Trek a day is pretty hard to fit into a day.
I guess the earlier timeslot is so that Spike can air bull**** like The Ultimate Fighter. Further proof that TV in general has officially gone to hell.
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not to mention CSI re-runs, poker shows, and any other crap that isn't MXC that Spike airs... (WWE excluded... sorta)
It's crappity crap to me. I want my Nerdy Nights back god dammit!
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Trekkies fight end of 'Enterprise' (http://edition.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/02/16/tv.startrek.ap/index.html)
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Last 2 episodes tonight.
The last voyage of the 'Enterprise'
Series goes off air Friday, leaving no new TV 'Treks' (http://edition.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/12/apontv.star.trek.ap/index.html)
Course heading, Captain?
Second star to the right, and straight on till morning.....
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^ Nice, well-thought-out article.
I watched the first season pretty religiously, only watched a few eps from the craptastic second and third seasons, and came back for the MUCH-improved fourth season.
If you'd asked me a year ago, I'd have said, "Good riddance, put the show out of its misery." But this season it was finally getting good (thanks to the new writers brought on board) and they chose NOW to decide to kill it??? *sighs* :'(
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Yeah, there's two episodes tonight. Peter Weller of Robocop fame is in one of them.
I bet the franchise won't stay dormant for long. It may be a while for a TV series, but it's been since 2002 for a flick.
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If you'd asked me a year ago, I'd have said, "Good riddance, put the show out of its misery." But this season it was finally getting good (thanks to the new writers brought on board) and they chose NOW to decide to kill it??? *sighs* :'(
That's exactly how I feel. I'd felt for years and years, starting before Enterprise, that the series needed a long rest and a serious rethink by new show runners before it came back. However, I found myself watching season 4, constantly shaking my head in disbelief of the cancellation. It made a radical jump in quality, and now I feel they'd have been better off seeing the show through to the normal 7 season run before putting the franchise on hiatus.
It’s too bad that the first 3 seasons were really a waste. I loved the premise as I was primarily a fan of the Original Series.
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I heard it costs about $1.5 million for each episode, so if the ratings aren't there, I'm not surprised they pulled the plug.
I still think Enterprise would have done better in syndication instead of on UPN. I couldn't even watch seasons 2 and 3 since UPN wasn't here yet. ::)
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Any one want a free star trek magazine, just shipping cost? My grandma grabbed it for me, thinking "Star." and lo and behold, I have this useless magazine here. PM me.
Kevin
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Just got done watching the last Enterprise episode.
Riker and Troi really had no place in it, IMO. For one thing, they don't look good in TNG uniforms. And another- it's not their show. They got their finale in 1994. I think it was offensive to the Enterprise cast members to have these two around for their last episode.
Guess that's it for TV Trek for a while. :-\
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Guess that's it for TV Trek for a while. :-\
Good. Star Trek sucks. I honestly can't say I care, I watched this one once or twice to see if it'd be better than the other stuff, but I didn't like it when I saw it. Anyways it is blasphemy to like both Star Wars and Star Trek, pick one damn it. ;)
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I heard the funniest thing about this. Apparently some ST fan started a website in an effort to get people to contribute money so that the show would continue. The idea was that the money contributed would be put towards the continued production of the show.
The interesting part is that the guy doing this was just a fan and had no association whatsoever with the production company that made ENTERPRISE. He also had no affiliation with Paramount, either. They in turn want nothing to do with this scheme. And on top of it all, the guy may be getting charged with fraud for collecting all of this money from devoted Trekkies. HI-larious, I tell you!
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Just got done watching the last Enterprise episode.
Riker and Troi really had no place in it, IMO. For one thing, they don't look good in TNG uniforms. And another- it's not their show. They got their finale in 1994. I think it was offensive to the Enterprise cast members to have these two around for their last episode.
Guess that's it for TV Trek for a while. :-\
I totally agree. I was watching in disbelief last night. The send-off for the series, successful or not, gets boiled down to a Holodeck episode of TNG? The arrogance of Berman and Braga to step back in to write the finale, and make it a wankfest for a series that’s been off the air for 11 years is pretty astounding. It was absolutely insulting to both the cast of Enterprise and to the writing staff, which left to pick up the pieces after 3 **** seasons, went out fighting with some top-notch storytelling.
I just couldn’t believe the nerve of it all, and it spoke volumes to the real problem with the franchise. Berman and Braga have to be shown the door, because they’re full of themselves and blind to the fact that they’re ideas are tired, old, and unoriginal, and as long as their giant egos control the fate of the franchise, it won’t go anywhere.
Good. Star Trek sucks. I honestly can't say I care, I watched this one once or twice to see if it'd be better than the other stuff, but I didn't like it when I saw it. Anyways it is blasphemy to like both Star Wars and Star Trek, pick one damn it. ;)
Not that Enterprise was worth a **** until this last season, but there’s always room on TV for good sci-fi, and the last season was a real turn-around. But oh well. Dude, you'd better hope the Star Wars TV show doesn't suck ass. The last time I saw a television show based on a Lucasfilm property was Young Indy, and after two shows I was ready to jump out a window and plummet to my demise with a Wilhelm scream. :)
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Good. Star Trek sucks. I honestly can't say I care, I watched this one once or twice to see if it'd be better than the other stuff, but I didn't like it when I saw it. Anyways it is blasphemy to like both Star Wars and Star Trek, pick one damn it. ;)
Not that Enterprise was worth a **** until this last season, but there’s always room on TV for good sci-fi, and the last season was a real turn-around. But oh well. Dude, you'd better hope the Star Wars TV show doesn't suck ass. The last time I saw a television show based on a Lucasfilm property was Young Indy, and after two shows I was ready to jump out a window and plummet to my demise with a Wilhelm scream. :)
Believe me, I'm a hopin'.
But if it does suck there's always Stargate :) ;)
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I honestly think Star Trek really hurt Sci Fi on Tv as a whole. The writing for that show has never been all that great...even in the original series.
All the the Original Trek was groundbreaking for it's day, the writing was sub-par at best. You can watch the very first episoed and then the very last episode of the series and the characters are EXACTLY THE SAME! There was zero character growth throughout the entire series....poor writing in my opinion.
When TNG came along, it was just more of the same. Every episode had the senior crew sitting around that damn conference room discussing their feelings on the subject at hand while they were in the middle of some crisis. Couple that with the pseudo-science of just "remodulating" some divice with a name with little to no vowels in it and magically they were saved! Again, we saw the same formula of no continuity through episodes to the point where you had plotlines completely contradicting previous episodes and people STILL watched the show!
When DS9 came on, they actually tried to do something different, but again fell into the same routine. At first, there was a lot of conflict between members of the crew, but after the first season, they were all the harmonious bunch of yes men just like every other trek crew. What really angers me about this is at the same time, one of the best Sci Fi shows ever to hit television, Babylon 5, was on and while they had to struggle for each season to be aired, DS9 was picked up with no problems and they even blatantly stole the plot from B5 come the third season.
Voyager was pure crap from episode 1 to the series finale. It was so bad that even Trekkies started complaining for the first time in 30 years instead of blindly watching and acting like lemmings. So what do they do..."Here's the Borg....now shut up and keep watching".
They also made shows like Earth Final Conflict and Andromeda....these shows were absolutely horrible, but they slapped Gene Roddenberry's name on them so that they could attract the faithful Trekkies.
As far as the success of a Star Wars tv project? Who knows? We all know we're going to watch it, but if the writing isn't good, a lot of us would probably stop watching pretty quick.
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I honestly think Star Trek really hurt Sci Fi on Tv as a whole. The writing for that show has never been all that great...even in the original series.
I respectufully dissagree.
I think just the opposite to a certain extent. When Gene was alive, Star Trek was alway challenging and trying to push the envelope. Sure there were a bunch of stinkers in TOS and TNG, but there were episodes so utterly amazing that they have changed the way I think about life. Once Rodenberry past away, the show went down hill becasue it refused to take risks and the show runners began to have internal conflicts which resulted in all the good ones leaving (i.e Moore and Piller.)
The demise of Star Trek was purely political, the wrong people in charge making the wrong decisions and hiring people based on compatability rather than talent (basically they hired a lot of Rick MacCallums.) Star Trek could still be going strong if Paramount had not left Berman with so much power.
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Gah ... the Riker and Troi gimmick was even lamer than I was expecting. What a huge misfire.
Don't get me wrong, TNG is my favorite ST series and I like both characters, but they had no place being shoehorned in like this. If I were the current writers I'd be PISSED. At least let the show go out on its own terms with some dignity.
That aside, simply from a storytelling perspective it completely killed the dramatic momentum from the previous hour and indeed the whole season. Every time R&T came on screen it jerked me out of my Suspension Of Disbelief. And chopping up the events into three-minute snippets interspersed with "future" characters did not help matters.
All else failing, at the very least it should have been set on the Enterprise-E or even Riker's Titan, i.e. relative to the actors' ages. Neither Frakes nor Sirtis can pass for 35 anymore, and this was the last nail in the coffin of the episode's credibility.
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They seriously did that? What, were they watching that season of "Dallas" where Bobby was killed off, only to have it turn out that the entire season was a dream? What a bad joke.
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Worse actually.
Long story short, Riker and Troi were on the Enterprise-D, with holodeck recreations of events from the NX-01's last mission. It all had to do with the TNG episode "Pegasus" (itself dealing with an incident from Riker's early career before he came to the Ent-D), and Riker was trying to decide his next course of action. He wanted to gain some really deep philosophical insight from talking to the holodeck recreations, which leads to a whole 'nother problem--WHICH scenes were "real" ENT events and which were merely holo-recreations because CLEARLY the scenes in which Riker talked to the ENT characters were not "real". Bleh. :(
Now this COULD have been done well by cutting between two distinct but connected stories, a la Godfather Part 2 or the TNG finale "All Good Things", but the way it was done was really a mess. The TNG scenes chewed up so much time that neither storyline was done justice. In particular this was not a fitting conclusion to the ENT plotlines, arcs, and assorted loose ends which after all is the POINT of a series finale. I'm not the hugest ENT fan but the series at least deserved to go out with a little dignity. :'(
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Those TNG sequences just took me right out of the finale. More importantly, they ate up screen time that could have been used for Archer's speech at the end.
B&B are total ******* wankers.
Oh yeah, Trip's death was a total ******* joke. Those goofballs transported onto Enterprise while she was at warp 7? I would have written them as stowaways.
And sercurity couldn't take care of the raiders? What the ****? That episode had about as many plot holes as Nemesis did, in only half the time.
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I admit, it would have made a TINY bit more sense if I'd ever actually seen "Pegasus", but either way it's still a mess.
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It had something to do with Riker having a conflict of interest-- On one hand, he was sworn to secrecy over a cloaking device on the Pegasus, and still loyal to the former commanding officer of that ship. Then he had his loyalty to Picard, and couldn't reveal why Starfleet had such a hard-on to get to a shipwreck. Riker couldn't choose between them, so apparently this is supposed to be how he worked out his decision.
And Riker got on Barclay about holo-addiction. ::)
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in retrospect this was a very weak episode, let alone series finale. here's the worse part to me, Riker is trying to make a decision based on events from the past right? the events from the past have nothing to do with the dilemma Riker is facing! Trip wasn't really defying a long standing order or principle, he was just trying to save his friend and ship, that's only a vague interpretation of what Riker was going thru at best.
the two parter "Terra Prime" was a better way to end the series, as it ended with hope for the future as well as an emotional attachment to the characters. the only good thing to come out of "These are the voyages.." is the last scene, with Picard, then Kirk, and finally Archer stating the Enterprise's mission statement. I'd like to find that clip on it's own, that was well done and the only thing that saved the episode.
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I think the current show runners wanted to get a decent finale in before Berman & Braga came in and mucked the final episode up.
I consider Terra Prime to be the ender before These Are The Voyages.
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That's how I'm looking at it as well.
"Terra Prime" is the Enterprise series send-off, leaving you satisfied but full of what-ifs.
"These are the Voyages..." is Berman/Braga's franchise farewell, where they dance on the grave of their own accomplishments and piss on the bittersweet 4th season end of Enterprise.
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I honestly think Star Trek really hurt Sci Fi on Tv as a whole. The writing for that show has never been all that great...even in the original series.
I respectufully dissagree.
I don't mind that you disagree with me Anton, but you have to admit that the only reason Voyager stayed on the air is because it had the name Star Trek at thr front of it. It just bothers me that crap like that show (and from what I've read about various forums, the first couple of seasons of Enterprise) get picked up when shows like Babylon 5 had to struggle for each season and B5 Crusade never even got a chance at a full season! After listening to J. M. Straczynski's commentary about Crusade, we all got jipped out of a great series!