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Title: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: SilverZ on July 15, 2005, 04:35 AM
Here’s a story you won’t get on other sites.

I was in the Hasbro booth this morning, taking pictures of the 3-3/4” line for the site, when one of the Hasbro line marketers came up to the display unit I was next to. He pulled out his keys, unlocked the cabinet, and proceeded to rearrange the figures according to hand-written notes he was holding. I asked him if he had the final assortment and names for the new 12, and was told that yes, he did, and he was arranging them in accordance, and could give me the names and numbers in a moment.

As he was setting up the last figures, and I was tinkering with my camera next to him, out of the corner of my eye I caught someone approach the cabinet, to the left of the Hasbro rep, but thought nothing of it – until the Hasbro rep turned suddenly, slightly confused, and immediately angry. Looking back at the case, Commander Bly, the figure farthest to the left and closest to the front of the display, was gone. Disappeared. Stolen. Right out from underneath him, someone reached in, grabbed the figure, and took off. I had noticed someone approach and leave, but didn’t know who it was, or see him swipe the figure.

There was a moment of confusion, and what I’m sure for him was absolute anger, and then the realization that he was gone, and so was Bly.

Here’s where things get complicated. Apparently, this Bly was the “master paint reference,” and the figure was in a state where it had been approved by LFL and was on its way to manufacturing. The hitch being, if the factory needs paint reference to start the run, there is no hard copy of the approved figure to instruct them on. A new one would have to be created. (My assumption here is that a newly repainted sample would need to be resubmitted to LFL before being OK’ed for manufacture). So, if there are any problems or questions overseas on specifications for the paint apps on the figure, they’re out of luck. That could cause a delay in the release of Commander Bly.

That’s what he explained to me. Perhaps, and I hope this is the case, that that line of thought is a worse-case scenario said in the moment. I hope it works out for them, because the whole event was pretty damn low, and lame.

So if you’re wondering where good pics of Bly are on JediDefender, it’s quite simply because someone at Comic Con is a rat-fink dirtbag, who may have well screwed us out of a figure for this year. Thanks, *******.

We’ll hope for the best and Hasbro doesn’t run into any snags because of one complete moron.

J
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Ben on July 15, 2005, 04:51 AM
I guess we'll have to watch ebay for this thing. I'm sure it will end up there.

Seriously, what kind of ******bag steals like that? That would have to take some stones. BIG ones.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 15, 2005, 09:16 AM
That was pretty crappy. After Jared took off, I could hear some people looking at the new figures asking where he was, if only they new. Nothing good will come of this. Hopefully, we'll all be watching e-bay like a hawk to see if this guy is stupid enough to try to sell it.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 15, 2005, 10:21 AM
As funny as the story is on one level (Hasbro's National Security has been breached!), the fact that some jerkoff stole something out of a case is unforgivable and reprehensible.  What did this guy hope to accomplish by stealing it?  I mean, the fact that this was Hasbro's "only sample" of the figure, while reeking of overreaction, should be enough to get the word out around the con amongst ALL the sites that there is a thief in SDCC to be on the lookout for.

This should be announced at the Q&A this evening and they should take one of two approaches (if not both):

1.  Pull the "I'm going to turn the lights out and whoever stole Bly can put him back on the desk without being identified and/or punished" approach.

OR

2.  Post a reward for information leading to the return of Bly to the Hasbro booth or to the identity of the thief. 

Either way, I don't know what the thief hopes to accomplish by stealing it.  I mean, he'll never be able to sell the figure on Ebay, because everyone will know it is stolen, alert Ebay, and then the guy can be caught by Hasbro; even if he keeps it, he won't be able to really talk about it as being the sole paint sample of the figure without revealing himself as the person who stole it.  It's like the guys that stole "The Scream" a while back: sure, you've got a (more or less) one of a kind piece of art, but who can ever know about it?
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Angry Ewok on July 15, 2005, 10:27 AM
I guess I'm weird, but instead of stealing the Bly at the SD comic con, I was just going to wait for the Bly to be mass produced and shipped to my town.

Weird, I know.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Gatillo on July 15, 2005, 10:34 AM
Ok ok, I'll give it back.  I just wanted Jedi Defender to have real exclusives pics of Bly.  Oh Well  :P
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Rob on July 15, 2005, 10:36 AM
Here’s a story you won’t get on other sites.
Here’s where things get complicated. Apparently, this Bly was the “master paint reference,” and the figure was in a state where it had been approved by LFL and was on its way to manufacturing. The hitch being, if the factory needs paint reference to start the run, there is no hard copy of the approved figure to instruct them on. A new one would have to be created. (My assumption here is that a newly repainted sample would need to be resubmitted to LFL before being OK’ed for manufacture). So, if there are any problems or questions overseas on specifications for the paint apps on the figure, they’re out of luck. That could cause a delay in the release of Commander Bly.

That still sounds like a load of B.S. to me.

If Hasbro has one ounce of professionalism to their process, the instant that a figure is painted and approved, someone would create a set of Orthorgraphics clearly labeling which color is to be applied to each portion of the figure from all relevant angles - probably noting RGB values as well as simple paint shade terms.  

Granted I don't know how they make toys exactly, but I work at a place where character color is decided on a regular basis and it's all carefully noted and documented.

If that word just came from the Hasbro guy in the heat of the moment, I'm guessing he was mistaken - but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Rob on July 15, 2005, 10:38 AM
Either way, I don't know what the thief hopes to accomplish by stealing it.  I mean, he'll never be able to sell the figure on Ebay, because everyone will know it is stolen, alert Ebay, and then the guy can be caught by Hasbro; even if he keeps it, he won't be able to really talk about it as being the sole paint sample of the figure without revealing himself as the person who stole it.  It's like the guys that stole "The Scream" a while back: sure, you've got a (more or less) one of a kind piece of art, but who can ever know about it?

People who steal high priced one-of-a-kind artworks do so for one of two reasons.

They're either private collectors who could care less about sharing it, selling it, or discussing it.

Or, they're trying to sell it on the black-market.

Of course, this guy is probably a tad bit below that type of stuff. 
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Gregorbian on July 15, 2005, 11:01 AM
Wow, that's crazy.  I'm sure we'll see it on eBay in a couple of months because anybody stupid enough to steal something out of a display cabinet surely does not have the intellectual capacity to weigh the consequences of their actions.  They probably did it with the sole purpose of selling it.  Scumbag  >:(
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Ben on July 15, 2005, 12:40 PM
More SDCC theft. (http://www.tformers.com/article.php?sid=4794&mode=flat)
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Darth Broem on July 15, 2005, 02:07 PM
Well that's unfortunate.  These companies are probably going to have to cut back on the amount of stuff they show now.  Apparently they do not have enough eyes to keep watch on their stuff.  Who knew it would turn out to be like shoplifting at a comic con? 
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Jeff on July 15, 2005, 02:13 PM
Well that's unfortunate.  These companies are probably going to have to cut back on the amount of stuff they show now.  Apparently they do not have enough eyes to keep watch on their stuff.  Who knew it would turn out to be like shoplifting at a comic con? 

Yeah, that will really suck if at next year's con, Hasbro just brings a bunch of photos of the figures because some dumbass stole one this year.   What the hell is wrong with people? >:(
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 15, 2005, 08:20 PM
I'm going to hate it if Hasbro desides to not display protypes or scales back their previews next year because of this. It the way it always works, one idiot ruins it for everyone else.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: evenflow on July 15, 2005, 08:30 PM
That sucks on so many levels. It may ruins things in the future, may delay a figure we want, and just sucks cause its wrong. I dont think we will be seeing it on ebay.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Jeff on July 16, 2005, 11:54 PM
If Hasbro has one ounce of professionalism to their process, the instant that a figure is painted and approved, someone would create a set of Orthorgraphics clearly labeling which color is to be applied to each portion of the figure from all relevant angles - probably noting RGB values as well as simple paint shade terms.  

You know, I just noticed this today, but something tells me that if Hasbro has a photo of Commander Bly in their Comic Con Q n A Presentation (http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/files/gallery/Conventions/San_Diego_Comic_Con_2005/Hasbro/Hasbro_Q_and_A/DSC08860.jpg) then I'm 100% positive that they've already got other photography of the figure to use if they have to go through a re-approval process or something lame like that.

Jeff
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 17, 2005, 03:17 PM
If Hasbro has one ounce of professionalism to their process, the instant that a figure is painted and approved, someone would create a set of Orthorgraphics clearly labeling which color is to be applied to each portion of the figure from all relevant angles - probably noting RGB values as well as simple paint shade terms.  

You know, I just noticed this today, but something tells me that if Hasbro has a photo of Commander Bly in their Comic Con Q n A Presentation (http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/files/gallery/Conventions/San_Diego_Comic_Con_2005/Hasbro/Hasbro_Q_and_A/DSC08860.jpg) then I'm 100% positive that they've already got other photography of the figure to use if they have to go through a re-approval process or something lame like that.

Jeff

I'm not going to claim I know how exactly the process works for them, but based on my experience, I would think that there are stipulations built into the contract that say figures must be approved via physical inspection of a prototype (since color can never be 100% duplicated via photograph.) I have no doubt that they can whip another one up in precisly the same manner, but the problem is getting Lucasfilms approval. I could be that Lucasfilm is only obligated to approve figures one a month or once every two months, so they may have to wait for the next window to get approval because Lucasfilm is under no obligation to adjust thier scedule due to Hasbro's faults.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: P-Siddy on July 17, 2005, 09:07 PM
That is pretty low of someone to steal it from under Hasbro's noses. But if what the rep said was true, then I think it very stupid on Hasbro's part to show off the only prototype produced at a show for just that reason. I would hope they have the smarts to have a back-up on hand for LFL. That's just plain good business sense.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Gatillo on July 18, 2005, 09:53 AM
It does suck and they guy that stole it should have his gonads fall off but this is Hasbro's own darn fault.  Why was the guy so distracted that it got stolen in the first place?  How many people were around and "nobody" saw this, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.  Why was this the only one?  You bring your only copies of a finished product to show and have no security? 

To be it sounds like a clever way to cancel a figure and blame it on something else.  Now we just have to wait and see if the figure gets made or if it gets scrap (AKA Hasbro plan).
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 18, 2005, 03:00 PM
What sucks more than anything else about this is that Hasbro now will be gun-shy about bringing new product to future shows for this very reason. We won't see stuff until it's just about to be released - I always look forward to seeing the reports back from these types of events 'cause I know Hasbro is going to show something that I hadn't seen before.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Gatillo on July 18, 2005, 04:45 PM
I totally agree but isn't that also convinient for Hasbro.  Now they don't have to show new product at cons and then say that they already had a bad experience and therefore will not be showing off the line. 

The whole thing seems too convinient to me :o
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Ben on July 18, 2005, 05:07 PM
I guess since they're using a slideshow to show off more new product anyway, now this will just give them an excuse to use a slideshow for everything.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: speedermike on July 18, 2005, 05:08 PM
Wow...I may be hard on Hasbro laetely, but the idea that Hasbro staged this so that they don't have to go to cons is nuts.

Talk about paraniod.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: magillafett on July 18, 2005, 10:46 PM
Wait, wait, wait. Why would Hasbro even announce the figure if they didn't want to make it?
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: SilverZ on July 19, 2005, 12:03 AM
I mentioned the incident again to him briefly the next day, after the Q&A. He was in a much better mood, and, like I somewhat figured, was lead to believe in the conversation that his immediate reaction may have been fatalistic.

I also see it as an unlikely thing that they’d not have detailed information, regardless of a hard copy’s existence, to get them through manufacturing. But I was told what I was told. And there’s certainly no reason to think there’s a conspiracy involved.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Gatillo on July 19, 2005, 10:37 AM
Well I thought the "conspiracy" theory was better that the real one.  But I guess Hasbro is really just a bunch of dumb *****.  Sad indeed.

The slideshow thing does gives them the opportunity to present new product without actually showing it off.  Why risk it?
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Jesse James on July 20, 2005, 12:45 AM
Or at least have a 2nd one...  :)  Have display items and ones you keep back at the office, just in case.

It's not like cranking out a copy of it is tough...
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: SilverZ on July 20, 2005, 03:19 AM
Simpler yet, don't unlock display cabinets during show hours.

None of it makes the guy that stole the fig any less of a piece of ****, though.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: dafoo on July 20, 2005, 07:00 PM
JJ: you can't seriously believe they sent their ONE AND ONLY figure to the convention.  That just the height of stupidity!
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: JediMAC on July 20, 2005, 07:18 PM
JJ: you can't seriously believe they sent their ONE AND ONLY figure to the convention.  That just the height of stupidity!

That's what Hasbro claimed at SDCC, dafoo, which is what Jared said in the first post of this thread...

Here’s where things get complicated. Apparently, this Bly was the “master paint reference,” and the figure was in a state where it had been approved by LFL and was on its way to manufacturing. The hitch being, if the factory needs paint reference to start the run, there is no hard copy of the approved figure to instruct them on. A new one would have to be created. (My assumption here is that a newly repainted sample would need to be resubmitted to LFL before being OK’ed for manufacture). So, if there are any problems or questions overseas on specifications for the paint apps on the figure, they’re out of luck. That could cause a delay in the release of Commander Bly.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: evenflow on July 20, 2005, 07:25 PM
I can't imagine Hasbro staging this all. Its one bad experience, i am sure they will still show at the cons.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: dafoo on July 20, 2005, 11:32 PM
Yeah I saw the report from the clerk at the convention.

I don't believe if for a second though
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Jesse James on July 21, 2005, 12:18 AM
21st Century Toys had their one and only rendition of the Japanese Zero with them...  A hot commodity, and made BY HAND.  You think a repainted Commander figure's of value?  Try a scratch built 1:18 Japanese Zero that needed a little reworking...  Seems like Hasbro just having a painted figure is small stuff compared to what could happen if it was an only sculpt.  That'd be a bit more disasterous.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 21, 2005, 10:45 AM
Yeah I saw the report from the clerk at the convention.

I don't believe if for a second though

Based on my experience, I don't think it's to unreasonable to belive that what the clerks said is true. I mean, I don't know for 100% certain, but I do know that when maquette scuplts were made for the characters of the animated TV series I was working on, the models that were sent to our show's creators to approve were the only existing reference models according to the manufacturer.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: SilverZ on July 22, 2005, 12:54 AM
Why are people still harping on some kind of conspiracy, can't believe that they only brought the one Bly, somehow thinking this is some second-hand urban legend, or that the story was made up?

We need to have a reality check and realize that Hasbro is a group of people making a product for one reason: to sell the product.

They're not ******* around with us, lying to us, or misleading us in some black-ops misinformation campaign. They're not staging elaborate fake thefts for the benefit of me, some fan hanging around the booth. They're making and selling toys. They bring the toys to the Con to show them and have pictures taken of them, all in order to get the word out that new product will be available. Product they are selling and hope we will buy. They’re marketing their product.

They brought one hardcopy of Bly. They put it into the display cabinet. The SW marketing director opened the case. Someone stole it out from underneath him when his back was turned.

I saw it happen, and thought it would be an interesting event to comment on. Make of it what you will, but, really, the conspiracy theories are ******* nuts.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Jesse James on July 22, 2005, 02:35 AM
The truth is out there.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Deanpaul on July 22, 2005, 04:31 AM
(http://www.nndb.com/people/407/000026329/robert-bly.jpg)

Commander Bly? (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0679731199/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-3818720-5511266#readerpage)
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Jesse James on July 22, 2005, 05:40 AM
(http://www.janantoon.be/database/logo/574.jpg)
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: dafoo on July 22, 2005, 05:51 AM
Tydirium, don't go nuts man.  Stop asssuming, that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying they are morons and just asking for trouble to allow their one of a kind, have to do all the work again, piece out. 

The clerk just rattling off about how they'll have to start from scratch cuz that was the whole deal is stupid. He's just talking it up as he's got a big story to tell.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Gatillo on July 22, 2005, 09:26 AM
I didn't intent this to be so blown out of proportion.  I was not even implying a conspiracy theory at all.  For my own sanity I was hoping to find another possible answer to this. 

I just can't believe that Hasbro and its reps are so ******* stupid that this can happen without a back up figure, that is all.  For me to spend about $50 to $75 a month on the product of a company ran by people with IQs a third than my own is pretty damn insulting.  Anybody that is not insulted my their stupidity should really wonder.

Oh and BTW, the fact that you were present when it happen and didn't really see it either (or did nothing to stop it) does not speak all that well about you Tydirium.  If I were you, I would keep the story in closet because it is quite embarrassing.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Jeff on July 22, 2005, 10:00 AM
Oh and BTW, the fact that you were present when it happen and didn't really see it either (or did nothing to stop it) does not speak all that well about you Tydirium.  If I were you, I would keep the story in closet because it is quite embarrassing.

Huh?  I'm pretty sure Jared said he was talking to the Hasbro guy and didn't realize what had happened until after it happened. 

As he was setting up the last figures, and I was tinkering with my camera next to him, out of the corner of my eye I caught someone approach the cabinet, to the left of the Hasbro rep, but thought nothing of it – until the Hasbro rep turned suddenly, slightly confused, and immediately angry. Looking back at the case, Commander Bly, the figure farthest to the left and closest to the front of the display, was gone. Disappeared. Stolen. Right out from underneath him, someone reached in, grabbed the figure, and took off. I had noticed someone approach and leave, but didn’t know who it was, or see him swipe the figure.

I doubt there was much Jared could have done to stop it.  Unless maybe Jared has some eerie ESP powers that I'm not aware of and knew the guy walking up to the case had stealing on his mind.  ???

Nice of you to take a shot at Jared like that though...  ::)
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Chris on July 22, 2005, 10:19 AM
Oh and BTW, the fact that you were present when it happen and didn't really see it either (or did nothing to stop it) does not speak all that well about you Tydirium.  If I were you, I would keep the story in closet because it is quite embarrassing.

So far today, that is the dumbest thing I have heard. I'll update you if I hear worse.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Deanpaul on July 22, 2005, 11:29 AM
Here’s a story you won’t get on other sites. (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=8569.0)

I was in the Hasbro booth last week, scoping out the 3-3/4” line for my side business of reselling figures on eBay, when one of the Hasbro line marketers came up to the display unit I was next to. He pulled out his keys, unlocked the cabinet, and proceeded to rearrange the figures according to hand-written notes he was holding. Some tall guy with a camera asked him if he had the final assortment and names for the new 12, and was told that yes, he did, and he was arranging them in accordance, and could give him the names and numbers in a moment.

As he was setting up the last figures, and camera boy was tinkering with his camera next to him, I slid in to the left of the Hasbro rep, they thought nothing of it – until the Hasbro rep turned suddenly, slightly confused, and immediately angry. Commander Bly, the figure farthest to the left and closest to the front of the display, was gone. Disappeared. Appropriated. Freed from it’s glass prison. Right out from underneath the rep, I reached in, grabbed the figure, and took off. Camera guy noticed me approach and leave, but didn’t know who I was, or see me swipe the figure.

There was a moment of confusion, and what I’m sure for him was absolute anger, and then the realization that I was gone, and so was Bly.

Here’s where I really scored. Apparently, this Bly was the “master paint reference,” and the figure was in a state where it had been approved by LFL and was on its way to manufacturing. Geeorge Lucas may have actually held this figure! The hitch being, if the factory needs paint reference to start the run, there is no hard copy of the approved figure to instruct them on. A new one would have to be created. (My assumption here is that a newly repainted sample would need to be resubmitted to LFL before being OK’ed for manufacture). So, if there are any problems or questions overseas on specifications for the paint apps on the figure, they’re out of luck. That could cause a delay in the release of Commander Bly. This baby is GOLD!

That’s what I read at a Star Wars site. Perhaps, and I hope this is the case, that this figure earns me bank on eBay. I hope it never works out for them, because then I’ve really got a collector’s item on my hands!

So if you’re wondering where good pics of Bly are on JediDefender, it’s quite simply because “someone” at Comic Con is a fast moving entrepreneur, who may have well secured his kids college tuitions with some quick thinking. Thanks!

We’ll hope for the best price on eBay and that Hasbro can’t get this figure back into production, ever. If you want to see some pics, check out my auction here (http://cgi.ebay.com/Star-Wars-custom-ROTS-Commander-Bly-w-custom-clone_W0QQitemZ5986483541QQcategoryZ101609QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: dafoo on July 22, 2005, 04:03 PM
At first I was about to rant about you copy and pasting the same story. then I kept reading, then I collapsed!

Tydirium, you scalliwag!
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: JesseVader08 on July 22, 2005, 04:43 PM
Oh and BTW, the fact that you were present when it happen and didn't really see it either (or did nothing to stop it) does not speak all that well about you Tydirium.  If I were you, I would keep the story in closet because it is quite embarrassing.

Embarassing?  Embarassing to who?  I assume you mean Hasbro?

I'm really trying to control my rage at the moment, but Gatillo, that has got to be the most ignorant things I've EVER seen posted here at JD.  For someone to apparently insult Jared, one of the greatest guys to ever grace the Star Wars boards, is akin to slander.

I'm hoping I completely misunderstood you, Gatillo, because until this moment, you've been a great part of JD.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.  Please.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: JediMAC on July 22, 2005, 04:55 PM
Well, this thread has certainly taken an interesting turn here.  I obviously don't need to comment on Gatillo's post there, since Jeff, Chris, and Jess already took care of that.  I can only assume that Gatillo's got the story somewhat confused or something.  Obviously, if Jared is standing there preoccupied with taking pix of Hasbro stuff for JD, and someone nearby swipes a figure out of the open cabinet that the Hasbro guy is working in, then Jared neither has anything to do with the situation, nor does he hold any type of bizarre responsibility for not apprehending the Bly Bandit in the act.  Just an innocent bystander, who didn't even know about what happened until after the fact.  The Hasbro rep (NOT CLERK) should be rather embarrassed though...

And why we're getting excited over the fact that doofus dafoo isn't buying the story is beyond me...  :P
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Deanpaul on July 22, 2005, 05:50 PM
I pity dafoo that doesn't get my jokes!  >:(
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 22, 2005, 06:09 PM
Wow, I hadn't really looked at this thread since the second page and all of a sudden Lee Harvey Oswald stole Bly from the Hasbro glass case and ran away with Elvis on a UFO.   ::)

And I'd just like to say that Jared is one of the nicest and most upstanding guys you could ever hope to meet on these boards, or the internets in general.  And he's one of the people who make JD the best and most unbiased site in the world of SW collecting, so thanks Jared, and keep your head up.  ;)
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Deanpaul on July 22, 2005, 06:19 PM
No doubt about Jared - he is a great guy, and I consider him one of my friends here. When I travel to LA and have free time, Jared has always made time to hang out.

My "parody" post was meant to poke fun at the type of person that would steal a paint copy, not Jared.

I think Jared knows me (and my humor) well enough to know the intention of my post. I just wanted to be clear for everyone else.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 22, 2005, 09:00 PM
Oh yeah, I got the joke, Deanpaul.  I was just amazed when I looked at this thread which had been about one thing and had mutated into something else within two days' time.  If Hasbro was able to come off with a plot like that to actually avoid making a figure, I think I'd applaud it on general principle, stupid as it may be, because Hasbro would have finally done something inventive that didn't fail miserably.   :D

The only thing I will say about your parody post, though, is that you didn't use enough "OMG", "VHTF", "RARE", "HOT TICKET", "PAYPAL" and misspellings like "BLIE", "ROST", and "VADAR" enough.  Every Ebay posting must include at least three of those "words."  It's in their terms of service, if you don't believe me, go have a look.  ;)
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: JediMAC on July 22, 2005, 09:05 PM
I pity dafoo that doesn't get my jokes!  >:(

Oh ****, that's funny!  ;D
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: dafoo on July 22, 2005, 10:31 PM
JediMAC:  ACK you peolpe are NUTS!  Read what people actually type.  Geepers.  All I said was that I don't believe Hasbro has just one of those.  Good gosh man, this isn't who shot JR.  I didn't impune the guy who started this thread and was standing there. I didn't say Bly was FAKE stolen to make some asinine Hype.  BAH ON YOU, CHOMP.

Deanpaul:  I did get your joke, you..you...scalliwag!


And I bite my thumb at the rest of yous!
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: SilverZ on July 23, 2005, 01:06 AM
I love you, everyone.  :-*
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Morgbug on July 23, 2005, 01:27 AM
I love you, everyone.  :-*

But you never made it physical in Indy, you heartless bastard.  Not even a hug. >:(
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: SilverZ on July 23, 2005, 01:31 AM
I had dirty, dirty, dirty, just naughty filthy thoughts, though.

I love you all ways. (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/images/smilies/hump.gif)
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Morgbug on July 23, 2005, 01:40 AM
Well, alright. 

It's just all that sneaky touching that Jamie was doing at night while he thought I was asleep.  I kept hoping it was you, but nope, it was that skinny little bastard.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: JediMAC on July 23, 2005, 02:39 AM
JediMAC:  ACK you peolpe are NUTS!  Read what people actually type.  Geepers.  All I said was that I don't believe Hasbro has just one of those.  Good gosh man, this isn't who shot JR.  I didn't impune the guy who started this thread and was standing there. I didn't say Bly was FAKE stolen to make some asinine Hype.  BAH ON YOU, CHOMP.

Dafoo, what in the hell are you talking about here?  Is this a response to this one line that I mentioned your name in?

And why we're getting excited over the fact that doofus dafoo isn't buying the story is beyond me...  :P

If that's what you're replying to, you make no sense whatsoever.  It looks like YOU need to start reading what people type.  Furthermore, if you don't stop acting like a complete and total ass all over this forum, and yelling at and badgering people for no reason whatsoever, we're going to suspend your posting priveleges for a while.  So knock it off.  We're all getting real tired of it.  Thanks.

- Matt
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Jesse James on July 23, 2005, 04:20 AM
I leave you guys for a night and all hell breaks loose.  I'm the glue baby!

Anyway, I think Gatillo's post was partly mis-understanding...  Obviously this isn't anything Jared had any control over, nor is it even remotely his responsibility anyway.  The guy snuck it away right out from under everyone's nose at the show...  The Hasbro guy I feel bad for because I can tell you that I've been in a similar place to him where something I was responsible for was stolen right from under my nose in a hectic/busy climate/situation.  I sorta have sympathy on the dude.

I think Jared's beef on the "conspiracy theories" was just venting the fact that this story has been covered...  Hasbro's said "this was our only painted sample", so there's not a whole lotta reason to disbelieve that...  Whether that's good thinking on their part remains to be seen. 

Like I said, 21st Century Toys had their only 100% hand-made  prototype of the Japanese Zero on hand to display it.  Comic-Con's a big show, so showing off your stuff is important...  It's become almost bigger than Toy Fair really.  And I guarantee that Zero is a lot more complex to replace than Hasbro's figure, so I wholely believe Hasbro brought their only copy...  I'd suggest making a back-up before you head to your show next time though, since it's just a paint sample.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: TheBlackDog on July 24, 2005, 10:02 PM
I am hoping that this fall at least Hasbro has pictures on the new Bly. Anyway, this is another figure I will have to get (sigh) and hunt down. DeanPaul, you should post that over on our Utah boards under "the Scalper" and watch the reaction!
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Deanpaul on July 24, 2005, 10:18 PM
That's not a bad idea Jay... I'll give thescalper a call and see what he has to say.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: dafoo on July 25, 2005, 01:08 AM
Makes perfect sense JediMac, People were getting excited over me not buying the story.  They were heaping the stuff I wasnt' saying on me.  Like that Hasbro concocted this all, or that Tydirium was scum for not halting the dastardly deed.

I didn't say or imply any of that.  I merely stated I didn't believe Hasbro just had one of those figures or that this'll put back the figure indefinitely. 

When I respond in tongue-in-cheek fashion.   Calling me out, acting like I'm all evil or something.

If that's how your site will treat people, perhaps I don't wish to be here.

EDIT:  Dafoo, the term you used isn't something we accept.

If you're not happy, make sure to contact some of the staff privately and stuff.  I don't think anyone over-reacted to your comments since you said you didn't believe it...  Sometimes intent's miscontstrued on forums though so less "tongue-in-cheek" is maybe more appropriate so there's no confusion. 

Hopefully Evertying is clear...  Jared obviously relayed the situation just as it happened, Hasbro's not really BS-ing anyone on the situation since Jared only relayed what he heard verbatim.  If that's not "believable" at this point, not much else is I guess.

JJ
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Chris on July 25, 2005, 01:13 AM
If that's how your site will treat people, perhaps I don't wish to be here.

Perhaps.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Vator on July 25, 2005, 01:44 AM
If that's how your site will treat people, perhaps I don't wish to be here.

I can think of another s (http://www.rebelscum.com)ite that would love to have ya...
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: JediMAC on July 25, 2005, 03:33 AM
JediMAC:  ACK you peolpe are NUTS!  Read what people actually type.  Geepers.  All I said was that I don't believe Hasbro has just one of those.  Good gosh man, this isn't who shot JR.  I didn't impune the guy who started this thread and was standing there. I didn't say Bly was FAKE stolen to make some asinine Hype.  BAH ON YOU, CHOMP.

     Dafoo, what in the hell are you talking about here?  Is this a response to this one line that I mentioned your name in?

And why we're getting excited over the fact that doofus dafoo isn't buying the story is beyond me...  :P

     If that's what you're replying to, you make no sense whatsoever.  It looks like YOU need to start reading what people type.  Furthermore, if you don't stop acting like a complete and total ass all over this forum, and yelling at and badgering people for no reason whatsoever, we're going to suspend your posting priveleges for a while.  So knock it off.  We're all getting real tired of it.  Thanks.

- Matt

Makes perfect sense JediMac, People were getting excited over me not buying the story.

Right, "people were".  I wasn't.  I never said anything to or about you (aside from the doofus crack).  I simply asked why everyone was getting so excited over your comments.  Then you called ME out for getting excited over your comments.  That's what doesn't make sense, and that's why your posts are growing more and more annoying.  Understand?

And while we're discussing things, please explain to me why you spend so much time on a collecting board if you don't even collect the stuff you're talking about.  That's a little bit odd, I think...

Also odd is the fact that you're supposedly in Minnesota, yet you've never once popped into our huge Minnesota finds thread here and said "hi" to or chatted with any of your local collectors.  Why is that?  We're a very tight-knit community here at JD, so it always strikes me as strange when someone joins in on the discussions here, but never attempts to get to know any of their their fellow forum members here, and moreso goes so far as to seemingly attempt to agitate some of them on numerous occasions...  Yelling at me, and then saying everyone's nuts?  Like I said, that's not gonna win you much favor around here, especially as a newbie.

I also think that this is the most intelligent bunch of posters on any SW collecting board on the net, so to suggest that none of us know how to read, when no one's ever had a single reading comprehension problem in this forum to date, is asinine.  Makes me think that the problem may actually reside with you...  Just a thought.

- Matt
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Darth Slothus on July 25, 2005, 12:41 PM
Jared? Are you still reading this monster? I think it's very unfortunate this occurred and sure hope it won't affect into a late figure release or something (like we talked about at hooters when you told me how this really sets Hasbro back(from the Hasbro guy)). and....Please, no more Star Trek exclusive forum destroyas'! ;)
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: dafoo on July 25, 2005, 03:42 PM
JJ:
EDIT:  Dafoo, the term you used isn't something we accept.
If you're not happy, make sure to contact some of the staff privately and stuff.


Please do let me know what term you refer to because I honestly don't know what it is; especially given the large amount of cursing already prevalent on this site. I was not unhappy at all.  I was joking along with it all. Seeing that JediMac has such issues with me, he should have contacted me privately.

Sometimes intent's misconstrued on forums though so less "tongue-in-cheek" is maybe more appropriate so there's no confusion.    It would have been nice to have gotten such polite note beforehand.

Jared obviously relayed the situation just as it happened, Hasbro's not really BS-ing anyone on the situation since Jared only relayed what he heard verbatim. Everything is clear; I have not discounted or opposed any of Jared's statements.

----------------

JediMac:

Right, "people were".  I wasn't. No JediMac, you did not; until the doofus crack. You, as an admin, chose to come here and attack me personally.  You then further go on to start assaulting me as a troublemaker.

Then you called ME out for getting excited over your comments. No, I called everyone out that was looping me in with the crazed comments attacking Tydrium for not apprehending the thief. You threw in a snide remark instead of just stating, 'why are people getting upset over dafoo's comments.'  Your implication, "dafoo's a moron."

Failing utterly to notice my jovial approach to these discussions and all discussions, you decided to come out here and read me a riot act about my behavior on this site as a whole.  Posting up acting like I've been a problem throughout the site, never once making any attempt to perhaps INSITE message me that people (Read: you) are having a hard time deciding if I'm joking or not.

Ah, so since I am not collecting and don't meet your demands of how someone should view these forums you've decided something is wrong with me.  How dare I go against your flow and view the forums and post in the forums I desire.

Forgive me for not being wealthy enough to collect and yet still enjoying the subject, I didn't know that would be a blight against me with you.

Also odd is the fact that you're supposedly in Minnesota, yet you've never once popped into our huge Minnesota finds thread here and said "hi" to or chatted with any of your local collectors.

Further impugning of my character.  As if I'd lie in the contest entries.  Could be as simple as I never opened that forum, but you refuse to ponder that; just more assumptions.  I had no reason to open that forum; I don't find anything anymore; as you are so eager to point out.

We're a very tight-knit community here at JD

I.e. should anyone show up that does fall immediately into your group; you must take issue with him?

Instead of attempting to politely and privately ask if I am joking, or ask I add a mess of smilies to be completely obvious, you came out here and decided to slap me around publicly.  Not even a message asking if I’d clarify, as other admins did for Gatillo.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Famine on July 25, 2005, 05:40 PM

Dafoo, what in the hell are you talking about here?  Is this a response to this one line that I mentioned your name in?

And why we're getting excited over the fact that doofus dafoo isn't buying the story is beyond me...  :P

If that's what you're replying to, you make no sense whatsoever.  It looks like YOU need to start reading what people type.  Furthermore, if you don't stop acting like a complete and total ass all over this forum, and yelling at and badgering people for no reason whatsoever, we're going to suspend your posting priveleges for a while.  So knock it off.  We're all getting real tired of it.  Thanks.

- Matt

Dafoo, you silly silly person, he was making a joke. Deanpaul was making a joke. That is the atmosphere here. If you don't like the atmosphere here, feel free to take off. If Matt says your doing somthing, and requests you stop, I would take it very seriously. Especialy now that JJ had to edit your post because of somthing obviously not acceptable.

It would have been nice to have gotten such polite note beforehand.
If you had read and absorbed any of the forums content before hand, and looked at some of the post quality, you would have known this.

Again, Colman didn't attack you, he made a joke. I don't see you riding Deanpaul for his joke.

Sheesh.

Back to Bly.

Kevin
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: ruiner on July 25, 2005, 05:51 PM
I don't know if this has been covered yet, but here are my thoughts on the big conspiracy involving a $2 piece of painted plastic:

If the painted sample of Bly was the only sample that the Big H had for paint reference then I now know why they have so many problems!

Seriously, LFL should have style guides that licensees use (and posess) to create accurate product.  For example, Yoda's skin color should always be PMSXXX and Vader's lightsaber is always PMSYYY.

I'm sure clones are covered.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: dafoo on July 25, 2005, 05:58 PM
Dressel:

Indeed I know dean was joking, I wasn't responding angrily. 

I was clarifying exactly what I said and joking right back.  How can you take Scallywag as serious? =p

I still don't know what this term I used was, I don't note anything missing from my post, (something JJ removed)

I insited him to ask what was up about that

JJ: responded,  didn't even realize I'd said that.  Apologies
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: JediMAC on July 25, 2005, 06:05 PM
The term that we don't allow to be used around here, even in a joking manner, is "Nazi".

As for asking for some insight into why you hang out on a collecting board if you don't collect anything, you're certainly under no obligation to answer that.  I was just curious, since I've never known anyone else who's done that.  Granted, collecting isn't necessarily a prerequisite for hanging out here, I guess...

Same thing for the Minnesota thread question.  At no point did I actually call you a liar about living in MN.  No idea where you got that hair-brained idea from, other than me saying "you supposedly live in MN".  I was just curious why you have no desire to get to know any of the locals out there, especially when they're having big get-togethers (10-15 people) every month now.

Also, check your PMs in a minute.  I think you're taking a lot of this stuff WAY too personally, and some of it just flat-out incorrectly...

It might also help if you checked out some of our various posting features here, which may help folks better understand some of your posts.  These three in particular come to mind: (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/Themes/classic/images/english/modify.gif) (edit), (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/Themes/classic/images/bbc/quote.gif) (quoting) and  :P (sarcasm).
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: dafoo on July 25, 2005, 06:11 PM
I was just curious why you have no desire to get to know any of the locals out there, especially when they're having big get-togethers (10-15 people) every month now.

You've already answered your question, I'm a newbie around here
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 26, 2005, 11:10 AM
I was just curious why you have no desire to get to know any of the locals out there, especially when they're having big get-togethers (10-15 people) every month now.

You've already answered your question, I'm a newbie around here

What does that mean? You're not alowed to associate with vets? I'm sure they'd be happy to have you.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: JediMAC on July 26, 2005, 01:34 PM
For what it's worth, dafoo and I have been chatting a bit via PM, discussing stuff about ourselves and JD, and whatnot.  Making some decent progress on some key issues that were on our minds, I think.  ;)

You've already answered your question, I'm a newbie around here

Well, most of the guys in the MN thread are also relative newbies, who have just gotten to meet eachother for the first time in the last meeting or two.  I'd say that Scott and Jeff are the only real "veterans" in that group.  But they all seem to have a blast getting together every month and getting to know eachother, and welcoming several new guys at each meeting, so you might enjoy it dafoo.

Wish I could actually add something remotely on topic here, but I think the Bly figure has been thoroughly discussed at this point.  I guess we'll find out if Hasbro was just blowing smoke about that 3 month "re-development process" when that particular wave shows up, and Commander Bly is either in it, or he's not.  Hopefully the former though...
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: JesseVader08 on July 26, 2005, 01:50 PM
I guess we'll find out if Hasbro was just blowing smoke about that 3 month "re-development process" when that particular wave shows up, and Commander Bly is either in it, or he's not.  Hopefully the former though...

Can you imagine how the Hasbro rep was feeling when this happened?  It was probably a mix of anger at the jerk that stole it, shame for "letting it happen", and fear of losing his job.  Hopefully Hasbro either has another workable figure or it won't take nearly that long to redevelop another one.  I'm sure if I was in his position, I'd be assuming the worst case scenario. 
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: ruiner on July 26, 2005, 01:57 PM
He'll be fine.

It's not like it was a prototype that IS irreplaceable (sp.).

It was an existing mass produced figure with yellow paint, nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: jadesfire on July 26, 2005, 02:53 PM
 Deanpaul - I knew it was you all along. ;) :-*

Anyways...what order is was Bly in?  I assume he is last now but what was he before?? 

PS:  I have to admit, it was like listening to the women at the water cooler....this thread has to the first one I have read all the way through in a long time.  I am anxiously waiting for Master Chef to show up any minute. :P
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: jjks on July 26, 2005, 04:47 PM
It's just all that sneaky touching that Jamie was doing at night while he thought I was asleep.  I kept hoping it was you, but nope, it was that skinny little bastard.

I knew you weren't asleep, and that was the best part  ;D
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: JediMAC on July 26, 2005, 06:32 PM
PS:  I have to admit, it was like listening to the women at the water cooler....this thread has to the first one I have read all the way through in a long time.  I am anxiously waiting for Master Chef to show up any minute. :P

Dammit, Beth!  Don't you start up in here too, just when things were starting to settle down a bit, or I'll have to force you to take a time-out!  Damned trouble maker.  >:(

But I'm glad we could keep you entertained.  I wouldn't expect to be hearing from Master Chef in here any time soon though...  ;)

Now if we could get Jamie and Brent to stop talking about touching eachother, all would be dandy in here.  ::)
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: SilverZ on July 26, 2005, 06:38 PM
He'll be fine.

It's not like it was a prototype that IS irreplaceable (sp.).

It was an existing mass produced figure with yellow paint, nothing more, nothing less.

Yeah, like I think I mentioned before, I'm sure the Hasbro guy was being pessimistic in a bad moment. I've no doubt Bly is coming just as planned, too.
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 26, 2005, 07:17 PM
I'll bet the conversation that the Hasbro rep had with his superiors wasn't pleasant though....
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Morgbug on July 27, 2005, 02:12 PM


Now if we could get Jamie and Brent to stop talking about touching eachother, all would be dandy in here.  ::)

If you hadn't passed out, maybe it coulda been you big fella. 
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Darth Slothus on July 28, 2005, 04:57 AM
He's not big
Title: Re: Why there are no more pictures of Bly
Post by: Gatillo on July 28, 2005, 09:11 AM
That's what she said :P