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Title: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on January 23, 2003, 11:53 AM
Hasbro better make these figures or else!

For Sure
1)General Madine (http://www.rebelscum.com/vin/ROTJ_General_Madine.JPG)
2)Klaatu Palace version (http://www.rebelscum.com/vin/ROTJ_Klaatu.jpg)
3) Imperial Dignitary (http://www.rebelscum.com/vin/POTF_Imperial_Dignitary.JPG)
4)Chief Chirpa (http://www.rebelscum.com/vin/ROTJ_Chief_Chirpa.JPG)
5)Lumat (http://www.rebelscum.com/vin/ROTJLumat.jpg)
6)Romba (http://www.rebelscum.com/vin/POTF_Romba.jpg)
7)Warok (http://www.rebelscum.com/vin/POTFWarok.JPG)
8)Cloud Car Pilot (http://www.rebelscum.com/vin/ESB_Cloud_Car_Pilot.JPG)
9)Nikto (http://www.rebelscum.com/vin/ROTJnikto.jpg)
10)Barada #2 (Kithaba) (http://www.rebelscum.com/vin/POTFbarada.JPG)

Debatable
1)Blue Gonk (http://www.rebelscum.com/vin/VINpower-f.jpg)
An exact replica of the Lars family Power Droid was not made with the Power Droid provided with the jawa
2)Bespin Guard black (http://www.rebelscum.com/vin/ESB_Bespin_Guard_Black.JPG)
The correct ethnicity has not been released yet, however an Asian and White Guard have been
3)Rebel Commander (http://www.rebelscum.com/vin/ESB_Rebel_Commander.JPG)
A figure similar to this was released however it was not based on the vintage figure
4)Imperial Commander (http://www.rebelscum.com/vin/ESB_Imperial_Commander.JPG)
An exact likeness of a Tuniced Officer has not been released, the POTJ version was in a jumpsuit.
5)Death Squad Commander (http://www.rebelscum.com/vin/ESBstardestrcomm.jpg)
Another in the was released but in an alternate uniform series
6) B-Wing Pilot (http://www.rebelscum.com/vin/ROTJ_B_Wing_Pilot.JPG)
See above about costume changes

Rumor Mill

The rumor mill has these figures as possibilities :  

1) General Madine (http://web.qx.net/red6/aliens/rebel/Madine.jpg)
Basic Release maybe later this year, sounds like it won't happen though
2)Cloud Car Pilot (http://web.qx.net/red6/aliens/cloud/cloudcar.jpg)
Possible Target Exclusive Pack-In???  
3) Imperial Dignitary (http://www.rebelscum.com/vin/POTF_Imperial_Dignitary.JPG) has been rumored for later this year as well

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Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: JediMAC on January 23, 2003, 03:12 PM
I'd like them all, but the three at the top of my list would be:

...just because they're the only ones that have had no other modern era figures made that even remotely resemble them.  I'm fairly confident that we'll be seeing these three from Hasbro at some point down the line though, so I'm not too worried.  Just gotta be patient...
Title: Re:Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Nicklab on January 25, 2003, 01:25 PM
I'd add the Nikto and Barada to the debatable list.  Also, the Death Squad Commander was intended to be the Death Star Trooper.  It wasn't until POTF2 that the vintage error was corrected.
Title: Re:Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on January 27, 2003, 09:33 AM
There are two distinct Barada and Nitkos seen in the Skiff scenes, while it is a technicallity an exact likeness has not been released...same goes for the Death Squad Commander, if you look at the vintage cardback the guy wears a grey tunic instead of a black one as represented in the vintage figure, so its debatable...
Title: Re:Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: max_one on January 27, 2003, 02:02 PM
i would definately like too see

      General Madine
      Cloud Car Pilot

while they're at it a new Cloud Car would be nice too.
Title: Re:Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on February 8, 2003, 10:58 PM
Update :)
Title: Re:Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Angry Ewok on February 9, 2003, 12:46 PM
Covered most of them....
Lucky for you, you covered my ewoks :), cause I was ready to throw some bold text and unhappy smilies (just thought of that, do you call it a smilie if it's not smiling?) if ya didnt!

I'd like to see a Princess Leia, actually, cause I can't think of anything that really looked too much like her that had any bit of articulation.

For the record, Chief Chirpa is rumored to be coming out 3rd Quarter (whatever 3rd quarter means).
Title: Re:Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Chris on February 9, 2003, 12:58 PM
Good question regarding the smilies... hehe

The term "quarter" is a buisness term that refers to each month by 3's. So January, February, and March are the first quarter. April, May, and June are the second quarter months. July, August, and September are the third and the fourth is October, November, and December.
Title: Re:Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: obi-dad on February 10, 2003, 03:20 PM
Other than General Madine on top, I'm not sure I could put an order to those I want.  I would have to lump the ewoks and the Imperial Dignitaries as a tie for 2nd.  The B-wing pilot is the only one I really could care less about, but I would still buy it.   I am by no means a completist, but depending on the likeness of the figure, I would buy all of them.   I wouldn't be all that excited about the Cloud Car pilot, either, without the rumored Cloud Car.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on May 14, 2004, 11:25 AM
So here is who left IMO...

For Sure
1)Klaatu Palace version
2)Chief Chipa
3)Lumat
4)Romba
5)Warok
6)Nikto
7)Barada #2 (Kithaba)

Debatable
1)Blue Gonk
An exact replica of the Lars family Power Droid was not made with the Power Droid provided with the jawa
2)Bespin Guard black
The correct ethnicity has not been released yet, however an Asian and White Guard have been
3)Rebel Commander
A figure similar to this was released however it was not based on the vintage figure
4)Imperial Commander
An exact likeness of a Tuniced Officer has not been released, the POTJ version was in a jumpsuit.
5)Death Squad Commander
Another in the was released but in an alternate uniform series
6) B-Wing Pilot
See above about costume changes
7) Imperial Dignitary Costume Change
8) Blue Snaggletooth  People seem to want this, I don't Zutton and Takeel fit the bill IMO
 
This is dependant on RA-7 coming with the Sandcrawler

Chief Chirpa is still on the Rumor List :-*
Title: Final Vintage Predictions
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 18, 2005, 01:34 AM
It seems we get a few more never before re-done sculpts based on vintage figures every year. The last one was the Cloud Car Pilot. Who do you think will get the ugrade they've been longing for?

I think it's a strong possibility we'll get Derlin AKA Rebel Commander in the hoth set and at least one new Ewok in the Endor set.

Too bad Klattu from Jabba's palace is already out of the running. :(

Title: Re: Final Vintage Predictions
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2005, 01:58 AM
I don't know much about vintage, but by my reckoning, these are the remaining ones:

AT-ST Driver (?)
Chief Chirpa
Lumat
Rebel Commander (Derlin)
Romba
Warok

Then there's a few that have been released as multipacks, exclusives, or vehicle pack-ins but never solo carded in general release:

A-Wing Pilot
B-Wing Pilot
AT-AT Commander/ General Veers
AT-AT Driver
Droopy McCool
Klaatu
Max Rebo
Nikto
Paploo
RA-7 Death Star Droid
Sy Snootles
Title: Re: Final Vintage Predictions
Post by: Jim on July 18, 2005, 07:51 AM
I don't know much about vintage, but by my reckoning, these are the remaining ones:

AT-ST Driver (?)


Been released a couple of times.  The same sculpt was released 2 times in the POTF2 line (Green Card, Freeze Frame).  As well as the Imperial Forces 4-pack at TRU.
Title: Re: Final Vintage Predictions
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 18, 2005, 10:46 AM
Remaining Vintage figures to be resculpted are up for debate, but as I recon there are three lists:

Never resculped (8):
Rebel Commander
Imperial Commander
Bespin Security (Black)
Klattu (Jabba's Palace)
Chief Chirpa
Lumat
Romba
Warok

Charater variation (another 5)
Rebel Soldier
Nikto
B-wing pilot
Imperial dignitary
Barada

Never released on single card (another 7)
Bespin Security Guard (White with Mustache)
At-At commander
Leia Endor
Palpoo
Klattu (skiff guard)
A-wing pilot
Luke Endor
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on July 18, 2005, 11:11 AM
Merging an old old topic but one of my life long passions is to see all of these done or redone to match the vintage coutnerparts.  I want the following 6 for sure and the

The Ewoks are a stretch for me, the pack ins that have come fit the bill fine for me on Lumat Romba and Warok but I wouldn't mind seeing more them

For Sure
1)Klaatu Palace version
2)Chief Chirpa
3)Lumat
4)Romba
5)Warok

Debatable
1)Blue Gonk
An exact replica of the Lars family Power Droid was not made with the Power Droid provided with the jawa
2)Bespin Guard black
The correct ethnicity has not been released yet, however an Asian and White Guard have been
3)Rebel Commander
A figure similar to this was released however it was not based on the vintage figure

4)Imperial Commander One was done in a different costume
5)Death Squad Commander One was done in a different costume
6) B-Wing Pilot  One was done in a different costume
7) Imperial Dignitary One was done in a different costume
8)Barada #2 (Kithaba) One was done in a different costume
9)Nikto One was done in a different costume



Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: evenflow on July 18, 2005, 11:27 AM
I think the Imperial Dignitary and Death Squad Commander need to be ont he for sure list. They were done so different that these need to be redone. The Dignitary especially, since its a different character.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on July 18, 2005, 11:30 AM
I guess I call all 14 of them as undone in general but others will say differently.  I think people are satisfied with Piett and Ozzel and the Jumpsuit Commander to say they don't need a Black Tuniced Officer.  Others will say that they do indeed need one.  It's all splitting hairs which is why its debateable.

The other reason many people say the Dignitary has been made is because the likelihood of them making a Vintage Sim Aloo is about slim and none
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 18, 2005, 12:49 PM
How can the death star trooper not be considered an accurate re-sculpt? Are we talking about the shoulder patches, a grey tunic or something else?
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on July 18, 2005, 12:52 PM
Grey Tunic (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=2510.0)

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/9-03/dstgray.jpg)
Title: Re: Final Vintage Predictions
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2005, 12:54 PM
I don't know much about vintage, but by my reckoning, these are the remaining ones:

AT-ST Driver (?)


Been released a couple of times.  The same sculpt was released 2 times in the POTF2 line (Green Card, Freeze Frame).  As well as the Imperial Forces 4-pack at TRU.

Yeah, I remembered later on. Thanks though. :)
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: speedermike on July 18, 2005, 05:28 PM
I still really want a black uniformed Imperial.  I'd be fine if they just made the guy from ANH who says "Holding her is dangerous..."

And, I want a new DSC figure in black, and grey.  It's an easy 2 for 1 for Hasbro.

And, I'd like a black uniformed Imperial from ANH that has the brown leather holster.  But that would be gravy.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 18, 2005, 06:58 PM
Grey Tunic (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=2510.0)

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/9-03/dstgray.jpg)


Thanks. You know I don't know how I feel about that. This guy is in the BG and all the other guys are wearing black. I almost feel like the black is passable to fill the order. Who know's maybe they'le give us both. After all, they gave us a Blue Snaggletooth.

Now, what about a black uniformed Imperial commander being movie accurate.... ::)
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Jim on July 19, 2005, 07:26 AM
I still believe that the pic of the Death Star Trooper is in a black outfit, and thats the way the light is reflecting off of him that makes it seem grey.  We never did see another grey DS Trooper in any of the three films except this pic.  Can anyone post any other pics ???
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 20, 2005, 10:43 AM
I tell ya, I started a similar thread over at that "other" site, and most of those guys are as dumb as bricks. They just don't get it. People are complining that the choces are terrible and creating their own wish lists with PT figure. Someone needs to teach the yonger generation how to read and comprehend.  :P
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: evenflow on July 20, 2005, 03:15 PM
I still believe that the pic of the Death Star Trooper is in a black outfit, and thats the way the light is reflecting off of him that makes it seem grey.  We never did see another grey DS Trooper in any of the three films except this pic.  Can anyone post any other pics ???

Well I have the vintage figures card back still, i have to dig it out and check to see if he is wearing grey. Even if he isnt, i wouldnt mind seeing a grey version just to have one.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Jim on July 20, 2005, 03:20 PM
I still believe that the pic of the Death Star Trooper is in a black outfit, and thats the way the light is reflecting off of him that makes it seem grey.  We never did see another grey DS Trooper in any of the three films except this pic.  Can anyone post any other pics ???

Well I have the vintage figures card back still, i have to dig it out and check to see if he is wearing grey. Even if he isnt, i wouldnt mind seeing a grey version just to have one.

The cardback is the same pic listed above.  Thats the only pic I have ever seen that makes the outfit look grey.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on July 20, 2005, 03:25 PM
I think I've watched that scene a couple of times on the DVD.  Its the one with Motti, Tarkin and Vader talking about blowing up Dantooine, I believe.  I was pretty sure it was gray in there but I can't remember for sure...
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: JediMAC on July 20, 2005, 04:48 PM
BTW, someone asked this exact question at the Comic Con Q & A with Hasbro last weekend, about the possibility of them hopefully finishing off the last remaining figures from the vintage Kenner line.  Hasbro was surprisingly receptive to the idea, and pretty much said that they had every intention of doing exactly that, but it just may take a few more years is all.  But they said this is something that they specifically want to do, so I'm pretty sure we'll be getting the rest of these figures in the future, and yes, that apparently means a whole bunch more Ewoks.

I can see Brent jumping up and down in pure joy right now...
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Nathan on July 20, 2005, 04:51 PM
Cool. Now we just need to see about remaking the Ewoks & Droids figures in modern styling. :P

Yeah, like that'll happen. 'Twould be really cool though.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: JesseVader08 on July 20, 2005, 04:59 PM
BTW, someone asked this exact question at the Comic Con Q & A with Hasbro last weekend, about the possibility of them hopefully finishing off the last remaining figures from the vintage Kenner line.  Hasbro was surprisingly receptive to the idea, and pretty much said that they had every intention of doing exactly that, but it just may take a few more years is all. 

It's news like this that renews my faith in Hasbro - at least some of the guys there don't have their heads up their butts.   :)
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: evenflow on July 20, 2005, 05:32 PM
Well thats good news. I really hope they get going ont he remaining figures. Its only the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Brian on July 21, 2005, 09:07 AM
That is definitely good news.  Getting the figures we had in the vintage line remade with modern molds is one of my top priorities for the line.  If we couldn't get a whole lot of other figures, I'd at least want to have a vintage/modern counterparts type of thing going.  They are getting pretty close now, and its good to hear that they have every intention of finishing them off.  To be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing them upgrade some of the figures from the POTF2 range as well.  Sculpting has really improve quite a bit in some cases compared to the figures from those lines.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 21, 2005, 10:10 AM
To be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing them upgrade some of the figures from the POTF2 range as well.  Sculpting has really improve quite a bit in some cases compared to the figures from those lines.

We'll have to start a wish list of those guys too... ;D
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Jeff on July 21, 2005, 10:18 AM
To be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing them upgrade some of the figures from the POTF2 range as well.

We'll have to start a wish list of those guys too... ;D

Some people around here have already started their  PotF2 Resculpt Wish List (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=7919.msg143259#msg143259).   ;)
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Nicklab on August 7, 2005, 11:23 AM

For Sure
1)Klaatu Palace version
2)Chief Chirpa
3)Lumat
4)Romba
5)Warok

Debatable
1)Blue Gonk
An exact replica of the Lars family Power Droid was not made with the Power Droid provided with the jawa
2)Bespin Guard black
The correct ethnicity has not been released yet, however an Asian and White Guard have been
3)Rebel Commander
A figure similar to this was released however it was not based on the vintage figure
4)Imperial Commander One was done in a different costume
5)Death Squad Commander One was done in a different costume
6) B-Wing Pilot  One was done in a different costume
7) Imperial Dignitary One was done in a different costume
8)Barada #2 (Kithaba) One was done in a different costume
9)Nikto One was done in a different costume

A lot of these are possible with the SAGA 2 wave descriptions that have been reported so far.  The only ones that seem like they could be missed are:

1)Blue Gonk
2)Bespin Guard - African American version
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Paul on August 21, 2005, 11:10 PM
Bring on the Ewoks......Fu Man Chu Bespin guard.....Echo Base Rebel.....Death Squad Commander.....

Oh and I want Super Articulation....wishing is free...
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on August 22, 2005, 02:40 PM

2)Bespin Guard - African American version


I guess #1 most of the extras in the OT were British...and I don't think there were any Africans in Star Wars...
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on October 18, 2005, 11:14 PM
Update!

For Sure
1)Klaatu Palace version
2)Chief Chirpa
3)Lumat
4)Romba
5)Warok

Debatable
1)Blue Gonk
An exact replica of the Lars family Power Droid was not made with the Power Droid provided with the jawa
2)Bespin Guard black
The correct ethnicity has not been released yet, however an Asian and White Guard have been
3)Rebel Commander
A figure similar to this was released however it was not based on the vintage figure

4)Imperial Commander One was done in a different costume
5)Death Squad Commander One was done in a different costume
6) B-Wing Pilot  One was done in a different costume
7) Imperial Dignitary One was done in a different costume
8)Barada #2 (Kithaba) One was done in a different costume
9)Nikto One was done in a different costume
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 19, 2005, 12:07 PM
At Hasbro's pace of 2 per year, it could be another 4-5 years before they complete the vintage updates.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: JediMAC on October 25, 2005, 04:07 AM
So are people in agreement that the upcoming Derlin figure constitutes the remake of the vintage Hoth Rebel Commander figure?  I'm undecided myself, but I guess that sounds fairly reasonable to me...

I certainly wouldn't put the vintage Imperial Dignitary into the "debatable" category though.  I think that one's a definite no-brainer there, and isn't at all remotely like the two Saga Dig's that we got, neither of which were the tall and skinny Dignitary.  That dude definitely needs to get remade, no doubt about it.

But at least we're getting a little closer now...
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Jesse James on October 25, 2005, 05:55 AM
To me, the Reb. Commander vintage figure looked NOTHING like Derlin.  If anything, the first POTF2 Hoth Rebel Soldier was closer in looks/execution to the Vintage Reb Commander...  If we're comparing the figures anyway.

I'd say Derlin covers it though because I don't know what else the absence of the Reb. Commander on the list could be but Derlin...

On another note Scott, I'd say bump that Death Squad Commander up if you're basing him on his uniform.  I got the 365 Days of Star Wars book and I can now 100% say that the grey uniformed Death Star (Squad) Trooper did exist in the control pod during the Superlaser scenes...  There's a pic in that book as clear as day of that guy.  The book's a welath of pictures (My favorite is the Yavin briefing scene's picture.  Holy cow I want the dude with the porkchop sideburns that go into a mustache.  That's classic 70's).
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 25, 2005, 01:13 PM
Too bad Derlin is a Major, otherwise they could have gotten away with labeling the figure Rebel Commander: Derlin or Major Derlin: Rebel Commander.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: speedermike on October 25, 2005, 01:34 PM
Yeah, that 365 book is the Star Wars book that I've been waiting for for years.  It's really packed, and there is tons of OT stuff that I've never seen, and I feel that I've seen it all.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: speedermike on October 25, 2005, 03:05 PM
And, yes, that Death Star Trooper (Death Squad Commander) is absolutly wearing a grey uniform.  The vinatge figure is correct.  What's odd though, is on close inspection, his costume is grey, while Tarkin's is more of the green-grey. Hmmmmm.....

The figure that I really want now is that little guy with the goggles standing under the spidery looking ship is Mos Eisley.  That little dude is nuts.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on October 25, 2005, 11:16 PM
A repaint pack of Ewoks would knock out a bunch

The Kithaba/Barada one is the punch in the gut, it would have been fairly easy to do something with Barada this go round.  No way they ever get that one done

Imperial Commander I'm going to call too, we've gotten Piett, Motti, Ozzel, and now Veers (who is on the vintage cardback) and Jerjerrod.  I'd say its enough

I'm also calling Rebel Commander, Derlin and the earlier two field Rebels are enough.  There is a specific guy in the trenches who looks like the Rebel Figure "Come On!" but its close enough

I still say the others on the debateable list are debateable and so there they will stay (I could even make a case for 2 of the 3 Ewoks)
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Jesse James on October 26, 2005, 01:36 AM
I'm gonna still hold out on the Imp. Commander Scott.  There's no black tuniced Officer yet to be made, and it's a shame.  They need those generic black uniformed guys from ANH pronto.  An ultimate army builder to me...  However...

If they released a new DST, super articulated, and included a kepi hat with him just like the 12" DST...  THAT would cover my desire for the Imp. Commander being resculpted in vintage form.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 26, 2005, 09:54 AM
I'm gonna still hold out on the Imp. Commander Scott.  There's no black tuniced Officer yet to be made, and it's a shame.  They need those generic black uniformed guys from ANH pronto.  An ultimate army builder to me... 

Agreed. My Imperial Army will never be complete without one...or, ten.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: speedermike on October 26, 2005, 09:28 PM
"If they released a new DST, super articulated, and included a kepi hat with him just like the 12" DST...  THAT would cover my desire for the Imp. Commander being resculpted in vintage form."

 The only problem with that is that the DSTs had big gauntlets, while the officers had straight arms.  They could, however, share the rest of the body parts.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Jesse James on October 27, 2005, 02:44 AM
That's true, ugh...  I forgot the gloves.  Nuts. 

I'd likely still be happy enough just to get an army builder that great, but that does through a monkey wrench into things.   :-\
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on December 28, 2007, 02:54 PM
Update!

For Sure
1. Klaatu Palace version
2. Lumat
3. Romba
4. Warok
5. Echo Base Rebel Trooper

Debatable
1. Blue Gonk An exact replica of the Lars family Power Droid was not made with the Power Droid provided with the jawa
2. Bespin Guard black The correct ethnicity has not been released yet, however an Asian and White Guard have been
3. Imperial Commander One was done in a different costume
4. Death Squad Commander One was done in a different costume
5. B-Wing Pilot  One was done in a different costume
6. Imperial Dignitary One was done in a different costume
7. Barada #2 (Kithaba) One was done in a different costume
8. Nikto One was done in a different costume
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Nicklab on December 28, 2007, 10:00 PM
Update!

Debatable

3. Imperial Commander One was done in a different costume

There have been strong rumors of a Commander Praji figure for the ANH wave.  He's an Imperial Officer in the black tunic uniform.  Think that one would suffice for the Imperial Commander?
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth Broem on December 29, 2007, 10:01 AM
Klaatu -- Surprised he has not been done by now.  They could make a great one.

Imperial Dignitary - I have a fear they won't get to this guy. 

Lumat and Warok - They scream 2 pack.

Echo Base Trooper - Yeah he needs to SA treatment of course.

Death Squad Commander - I will just have to paint the trooper grey. 

Bespin Guard black - Surprised they did not go all PC and have him out there by now.

B-Wing Pilot - Been waiting and waiting for this one.

Barada - I can let it slide since they made the other version.  But if a new one is on the board they could make that vintage outfit.

Nikto - Same as Barada

Blue Gonk - They will get to it at some point.  A pack in with something. 

Wow, there really are not that many vintage figures left.












Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth_Anton on December 29, 2007, 10:07 AM
Forgot about Warok.

So yeah:

Never attempted:
Warok
Lumat (rumored for '08 wave 4)
Bespin Guard vrs #2
Klaatu

Never carded:
B-Wing Pilot
Paploo

Arguable variants:
Death Squad Commander (grey outfit)
Rebel Commander
At-At commander
Bespin Guard #1
Imperial Commander
Nikto
B-Wing Pilot
Imperial Dignitary
Barada
B-Wing Pilot

Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Desfiy on December 30, 2007, 05:48 PM
These are the ones I would like to be tackled someday (obviously I would like to see all the figures brought upto date, from the Vintage, POTF2, POTJ, SOTE and some from SAGA done with todays standards, but I digress).

VINTAGE:-
Death Squad Commander
Power Droid
Bespin Security Guard - Black
Bespin Security Guard - White with Tash
Imperial Commander
Klaatu - Fur Skirt
Nikto
Lumat
Warok

DROIDS:-
R2-D2 - Animated Colors (if they did it as good as Boba Fett then I would be happy)
C-3P0 - Animated Colors (if they did it as good as Boba Fett then I would be happy)
Jann Tosh
Jord Dusat
Kea Moll
Kez Iban
Sise Fromm
Thall Joben
Tig Fromm
Uncle Gundy
Vlix Oncard

Obviously I would like to see the Ewoks Cartoon Figures get updated as well, but in the Galactic Heroes way.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: evenflow on December 30, 2007, 09:26 PM
I think i am in the minority, but i would love to see the Droids and Ewoks characters redone in the modern line in a more realistic style. This is partly why i hope they include some of these charatcers in the live-action tv series like the rumor suggests.

On a side note, I have always wanted a Princess Kneesaa figure, not sure why they never made one.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Pete_Fett on December 31, 2007, 07:16 PM
Here's my list of what still needs to be done:

Death Squad Commander - this one should have been handled this year by a running paint-op variation on the Death Star Trooper figure
Bespin Security Guard - Black
Bespin Security Guard - White w/Moustache
Imperial Commander (a Commander Praji from ANH would be sufficient)
Hoth Rebel Trooper - Echo Base Colors
Klaatu
Nikto
B-Wing Pilot (has to be a Human pilot in a red jumpsuit)
Imperial Dignitary
Lumat
Warok

List isn't all that long. I think the design of a SA Bespin Guard figure modified from the POTJ one would be easily accomplished and allow for Hasbro to easily make both versions to appease everyone who wants all of the vintage Kenner figures re-done.

The Death Squad Commander should be easy to do - just take the Death Star Trooper figure from this year and paint the uniform gray.

For the Imperial Commander, just use the same Imperial Officer body that they are using for the Comic 2-pack Luke, paint it black, stick a new head on it and you're done.

For the last two Ewoks - just repaint the 2-pack we just got. I know that it's not perfect, but it's good enough.

Jabba's skiff guards and palace guards all need an upgrade. I have some of the older POTF2 ones next to Ephant Mon and Hermi Odle and they look ridiculous.

I doubt we'll ever get the Sim Aloo/Imperial Dignitary figure. They had a chance in the Saga2 line and instead went with two different dignitaries.

If they gave us a good SA X-Wing Pilot Body and a SA B-Wing Pilot Body along the same lines as this year's A-Wing pilot, they could be keeping us happy with SA Rebel Pilots from now until the cows come home, all they need to do is just keep slightly modifying the paint scheme, head sculpt and helmet markings.

Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Daigo-Bah on December 31, 2007, 08:52 PM
Pete- I think you're letting Hasbro off too easy with your suggested modifications of existing figures.  After what Hasbro showed us this year, they just can't cheapen out on us now.  They really must sculpt new ewoks, because there are so many head and body shapes and sizes (I've repainted several myself, and while they look good, they are still recognizable as Romba and Graak); it's also really time for a new Bespin Guard sculpt with better articulation and closed jacket.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth Broem on January 1, 2008, 09:38 AM
How about an Uzay blue snowtrooper like the Kubricks are making?  They love to repaint troopers so why not? 
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Jayson on January 1, 2008, 09:43 AM
How about an Uzay blue snowtrooper like the Kubricks are making?  They love to repaint troopers so why not? 

Actually I asked that question to Hasbro back in Sept. Here is what was said:

Quote
Q3. Dear Hasbro. Would you ever consider making figure of the UZAY Snowtrooper and guard as a tribute to these famous foreign knock offs from back in the 1980s?

A3. We have actually talked to Lucasfilm about this, and together have decided not to pursue anything related to the bootleg products in our Hasbro lines.



Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Pete_Fett on January 1, 2008, 10:50 AM
Pete- I think you're letting Hasbro off too easy with your suggested modifications of existing figures.  After what Hasbro showed us this year, they just can't cheapen out on us now.  They really must sculpt new ewoks, because there are so many head and body shapes and sizes (I've repainted several myself, and while they look good, they are still recognizable as Romba and Graak); it's also really time for a new Bespin Guard sculpt with better articulation and closed jacket.

I guess I was approaching the situation with a more practical angle of how Hasbro could easily polish off the rest of the Vintage figures as opposed to dragging the modernization of the original 96 figures out another 12 years.

Hasbro has said they will keep making themed waves. They have also stated numerous times that a retooled figure with new paint ops is how they can spread the costs around in a wave when they give us completely new figures.

So in a hypothetical ANH wave, I would welcome them releasing a Death Star Trooper repainted in gray, a Commander Praji using the existing Imperial Officer body only with a new head and then using those cost savings to deliver us a much needed SA Rebel Blockade Runner trooper.

Same thing goes with a hypothetical Endor battle themed ROTJ wave - I'd rather see them employ cost savings and give us repaints of Romba and Graak w/new accessories and cowls so that they could spend the resources on making a SA B-Wing pilot along the same lines as this year's A-Wing pilot.

Yes, I agree with you that Hasbro really SHOULD give us a SA Bespin Guard sculpt that could then have a running variation to provide variety to our Bespin Security Force ranks. At this point, with so few figures left to do from ESB, that would be fine with me. It would also be great if they gave us a SA Hoth Rebel Trooper that could easily be repainted/modified to represent the troopers inside Echo Base AND the troopers in the trenches.

I guess for me I would like to see this issue put to bed. Back in 1995, it seemed unimaginable that by 2007 we'd all still be discussing "what vintage figures have yet to be redone". Considering how many figures we've gotten and the fact that there were only 96 of them originally, it's kinda silly that we still have these lists of 10 - 15 figures still left to be redone.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: speedermike on January 1, 2008, 01:48 PM
Yeah, but after 13 years, Hasbro still has us wanting certain figures.  I'm sure that was their plan, and it's working.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth_Anton on January 2, 2008, 09:49 AM

 Back in 1995, it seemed unimaginable that by 2007 we'd all still be discussing "what vintage figures have yet to be redone".

That's the quote regarding this topic. And I also agree with Speedermike, we know Hasbro is fully aware of what they're doing.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Pete_Fett on January 2, 2008, 12:53 PM
Yeah, but after 13 years, Hasbro still has us wanting certain figures.  I'm sure that was their plan, and it's working.

Sure for the long term collectors, yes that is indeed a carrot that Hasbro is dangling over our heads.

For the kids who got into Star Wars toys during the EP2/Clone Wars/EP3 years, the Kenner Vintage Line means nothing to them. Heck, even if I was a kid who was 6 or 7 when Hasbro kicked all of this stuff off again in 1995, I would care less whether or not Warok and Lumat had been made yet. I'd rather see a female ewok with woklings.

I think the line would be moving along just fine regardless of whether or not these 10 to 15 figures had been remade. Even if they are done this year, like I said in my post, this thread is merely replaced by "What Characters Have Yet to be Immortalized in Plastic" and "Which POTF2 Figures Could Use an Upgrade". The debates and discussions of a similar nature never really end.

Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on January 13, 2008, 09:47 AM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/9-03/dstgray.jpg)

This is directed to people at another site who don't believe the Death Squad Commander exists...you can argue that the greyness/greenishness of the tunic is from the panel he is working on but its pretty much the only photographic evidence there is...and if they made a Blue Snag, the can make a Death Squad Commander.  I'd want one (and I made my own using the 30AC DST and a Moff Jerjerrod)
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Daigo-Bah on January 13, 2008, 02:59 PM
Scott- I'm definitely one who believes that the DSC wore grey.  In that single pic, you can tell that the only black areas are actual shadow.  Sure, there are a lot of lighting sources there, from above and from the console, but a black uniform would not illuminate THAT much.  I went so far as to make my own version with the TAC body and the POTF2 head:

(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p0f3a21eb0cb9813fccb05846b95bbe7c/e9a0fa21.jpg)

Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Pete_Fett on January 13, 2008, 03:35 PM
This is directed to people at another site who don't believe the Death Squad Commander exists...you can argue that the greyness/greenishness of the tunic is from the panel he is working on but its pretty much the only photographic evidence there is...and if they made a Blue Snag, the can make a Death Squad Commander.  I'd want one (and I made my own using the 30AC DST and a Moff Jerjerrod)

Let me guess, it's the forum on a site that rhymes with Treble Drum?

 ::)
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Jesse James on January 14, 2008, 01:00 AM
I'd not even realized there was that much actual "debate" going on about the DST/DSC...  To me, that picture is conclusive that it exists.  Like DB said above there, black wouldn't turn out that grey regardless of how many lighting sources there are messing with the visuals...  THat's simply solid grey.  Other shots exist...  Someone with a widescreen DVD should take a capture as that's the only way you see this guy (from a distance, in the DS Laser Control room where Leia's made watch Alderaan's destruction).  He's grey in that even if you look close and it's lit differently.

Some people just don't "get it" and you can't really explain it to them, so it's not worth the trouble...  Hopefully Hasbro will make it.  I'd buy the figure, especially if they reworked the headsculpt like DB's with the headset.  I'd love to get my hands on a set of commanders for my Death Star Trooper army. :)

Give the console and I'm doing cartwheels I think.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Daigo-Bah on January 14, 2008, 09:08 AM
I made the console too!  (Though it's not completely accurate- there should be separations between each segment)

(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p6efffcd3fe6b8c3e096474c80009cf1b/e83c7f9a.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth_Anton on January 14, 2008, 09:15 AM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/9-03/dstgray.jpg)

This is directed to people at another site who don't believe the Death Squad Commander exists...you can argue that the greyness/greenishness of the tunic is from the panel he is working on but its pretty much the only photographic evidence there is...and if they made a Blue Snag, the can make a Death Squad Commander.  I'd want one (and I made my own using the 30AC DST and a Moff Jerjerrod)

If we can find out the exact type of material used for that costume, then we can consult a fabric expert and/or photography expert to determine once and for all if the outfit is gray or just a trick of the light.

Someone get on that, chop, chop...
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: evenflow on January 14, 2008, 10:25 AM
I really dont care which color is movie accurate. I just know i grey version was released in the original line so i want one now in the modern line.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Morgbug on January 14, 2008, 01:01 PM
I'm in the grey camp too and I want this damn thing on a VOTC cardback.  Then I'll stop bitching about this one and start in on the Jawa.  12-backs people, not 10-backs.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Jayson on January 14, 2008, 01:08 PM
I'm more in the olive uniform camp.  :P

(http://www.starwars.com/databank/organization/imperialnavytrooper/img/movie_bg.jpg)

Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Jayson on January 15, 2008, 08:34 PM
Someone with a widescreen DVD should take a capture as that's the only way you see this guy (from a distance, in the DS Laser Control room where Leia's made watch Alderaan's destruction).  He's grey in that even if you look close and it's lit differently.:)

(http://www.yakface.com/jayson/dscgrab.jpg)
(http://www.yakface.com/jayson/dscgrab2.jpg)


Gray? Green?


Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on January 15, 2008, 10:14 PM
That bottom one could be Black and neither Gray or Green...but to me the top one looks Gray
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Jesse James on January 16, 2008, 01:28 AM
Thanks Jayson...

Top one's definitely grey.  Look you can see the white of the headset perfectly clear, you can see the black of the helmet clear as day, and the tunic is perfectly grey-green... 

When I say grey, I mean the grey-green of Imp. Uniforms in the movies...  It's basis is solid in the German military uniforms of WW2, and basically they were grey-green colors...  No argument there on their hue.  They're not "olive" per se, but they are a grey-green color for sure.  To me, that top shot's definitive.  Those 3 colors are clear as day to my eyes, so I say bring on a friggin' Death Squad Commander already.  My Imp. Naval Troopers need a commander. ;)
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth Broem on January 16, 2008, 07:58 AM
Well it looks grey to me.  However, I always thought that Han's ESB coat was blue until proven otherwise.  But like someone above said we got a grey one based off the 12 back photo from the vintage line.  That is a version I would like to see released as well.  In my opinion the color is grey.  It sure as hell is not black.  Green...mmmm...maybe???

I thought for sure they were going to release a grey variant, but it kind of pegwarmed so that may never happen.  I'll just have to go buy one and paint it grey I guess.
Title: Re: ICMG, Yarna...now what?
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 7, 2008, 07:08 PM
I think that completing the vintage figure line is a cause worth getting behind.  We're pretty close to that mark now, and it seems like a realistic goal.  As long as people can agree about what's really done and what isn't done.

That's the sticky part. Going in order of original release, here's what I view as having still left to do:

Death Squad Commander - just repaint the DST we got in the TAC line and call it a day.

Death Star Droid - we got versions in Gold, Black Chrome and Purple, just give us a vac-metal Silver one and again call it a day

Rebel Soldier (Hoth Battle Gear) - a nice SA Hoth Rebel Soldier in Echo Base colors

Imperial Commander - any Imperial Officer in the Black Uniform will do - heck give us a Commander Praji to match the SSC 12" figure and you're done!

Rebel Commander - this is one of those "debateable" figures. The original Hoth Trooper was close, but it would be great to see them update the Hoth Trenches version of the Rebel Trooper w/a SA body and perhaps rotating in some head variants or just packing the figure with some extra heads, one of them being a white man with bushy moustache.

Bespin Security Guard (both versions) - a nice new SA Bespin Guard w/a running variation of head and ethnicity could easily get these two figures scratched off the list.

Klaatu (Jabba's Palace Guard) - this seems like a no-brainer - we already got the Skiff Guard Version, now just give us the palace guard.

Lumat - this little guy keeps popping up in rumor lists yet we still have yet to get him. I'd say just release him in a two pack with an updated Warok and be done with it. I don't really care if they just update one of the two sculpts from the TAC Ewok 2-pack with his correct fur color.

Imperial Dignitary - I know this figure won't exactly sell in great numbers, but it's always puzzled me that they skipped over this guy and gave us the other two dignitaries instead.

Warok - as stated above, just package Lumat with this guy.

So how many figures is that? Eleven.

Eleven figures is something Hasbro could easily do by spreading them out over three waves, with each wave dedicated to one of the three OT movies.

Some of these eleven even have a chance this year. There is a rumored "Death Star Droid" build-a-droid coming. The Death Squad Commander was in a ANH figure rumor list over on RS back near the end of June.

There is a Rebel Hoth Soldier in the ESB figure rumor list that RS posted back in mid-June.

So if those three are coming, that takes the list already down to eight.


Title: Re: ICMG, Yarna...now what?
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 8, 2008, 09:33 AM
I was thinking of starting another one of those vintage lists, but I think you basically got it. I call it the CYA version, which is one of three versions. First you have the "you can call 'em done" list which only includes about 4 figures; a second version of the Bespin Guard, Klaatu, and the two Ewoks. All the others you can argue have been done. Then you have the CYA list (Pete's list) which aims for more precise coverage.  And finally, some argue a carded list which covers figures that are yet to be re-released on single cards. That adds figures to the CYA list like the B-Wing pilot and Nikto.
Title: Re: ICMG, Yarna...now what?
Post by: Nicklab on July 8, 2008, 12:15 PM
The Rebel Commander is really the only one that is really debatable from your list, Pete.  I think Major Derlin is an acceptable Rebel Commander, as is General McQuarrie.
Title: Re: ICMG, Yarna...now what?
Post by: Daigo-Bah on July 8, 2008, 12:50 PM
I don't think it would be splitting hairs to categorize those Hoth commanders.  Technically, Derlin and McQuarrie are a type of character we never got in the vintage line.  They are interior Echo base commanders, with a very similar outfit to Luke's but with the darker shoulder pauldrons.  If anything, they would be closer to the vintage Rebel Hoth trooper than to the Rebel Commander.  The vintage rebel commander is an outdoors grey and white different outfit similar to the modern Hoth Rebel trooper.  Essentially, we need an indoor Echo Base trooper and possibly a Rebel commander with the outdoor outfit and colors.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 9, 2008, 09:45 AM
I donno, I think there are other debatable ones -

Death Squad Commander - the grey uniform in the picture is a false color, it never appeared in the movie. The history of the figure is that it started out as Tarkin, but they changed the head and kept the rest of the body, color and all.

Death Star Droid - the vintage one was either named or colored incorrectly, take your pick. The silver one was never a "death star" droid in the movie.

Hoth Rebel Soldier - we already got three or four, they're all just crappy.

Rebel commander - technically, the vintage one was based on Derlin.

Bespin Guard (first version) - a pale Bespin guard is a pale Bespin guard.

Imperial Dignitary - one could argue that we got two, although they're different characters.

I personally would like to see all these happen in line with their vintage counterparts, but all the same I'm fairly satisfied with what we got (except the Hoth soldier.)
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on July 9, 2008, 10:58 AM
I donno, I think there are other debatable ones -

Death Squad Commander - the grey uniform in the picture is a false color, it never appeared in the movie. The history of the figure is that it started out as Tarkin, but they changed the head and kept the rest of the body, color and all.
This has been covered in this thread before...here are some pictures:

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/9-03/dstgray.jpg)
(http://www.starwars.com/databank/organization/imperialnavytrooper/img/movie_bg.jpg)
(http://www.yakface.com/jayson/dscgrab.jpg)

All three look to me to be either grey or olive (like Tarkin)...I'd say there is enough there to release a DSC, hell they released an EU Blue Coat Hoth, 4-5 times
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Nicklab on July 9, 2008, 12:05 PM
Death Star Droid - the vintage one was either named or colored incorrectly, take your pick. The silver one was never a "death star" droid in the movie.

Rebel commander - technically, the vintage one was based on Derlin.

These are the two that stick out for me.

The vintage Death Star Droid, IMO, was covered by the RA-7 droid that was packed in with the Sandcrawler.  I think things got confused by the fact that it looks like Hasbro was trying to make that RA-7 look dirty, and it lost that silver/vac-metal appearance.

And I stand by my Derlin comment.  And I think the repainted Derlin that was in the Ultimate battle pack is closer to the deco of the vintage Rebel Commander.  However, having looked at the cardback it seems to show an officer in the all-white uniform, so I can understand the cause for a debate on this.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Daigo-Bah on July 9, 2008, 06:07 PM
Ok, the vintage Rebel commander's face MAY be based on Derlin, but the outfit is clearly the Echo base defense trooper, outside the base, wearing the white and grey outfit.

(http://www.rebelscum.com/vintage/vintrebelcommfr.jpg)

(http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data//1451/hothsoldier1.jpg)

The actual Derlin has an interior base brown outfit more similar to Luke's but with a commanding officer's jacket.

(http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data//1451/hothsoldier3.jpg)

So in actuality, the rebel soldier from the vintage line is closer to Derlin's appearance than is the Rebel commander.  His outfit is pretty close to this (though the boots are different)

(http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data//1451/hothsoldier2.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth Broem on July 10, 2008, 01:04 AM
Man they really need to make some decent Hoth Soldiers and Rebel Blockade Soldiers.  You would think Hasbro would be all over that. 

Anyway, I would like to see a grey Death Star Commander or whatever character it is.  It sure looks grey to me in those pics.  Hasbro knows there is a group of us that would buy a grey version.  They make every color of the rainbow for the clonetroopers they can add a grey version of the Death Star Trooper if nothing else.  Although wouldn't be cool if they packed in that console and made a helmet with that cord?
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 10, 2008, 09:40 AM

All three look to me to be either grey or olive (like Tarkin)...I'd say there is enough there to release a DSC, hell they released an EU Blue Coat Hoth, 4-5 times

The bottom one, no way. That's black with a kicker light source. The other two images are the same image, just reversed and one of them (the grainier one) has been "pushed." Legend has it that the image was manipulated to make it look grey (which wouldn't have been hard to do) to match the figure and the fact that this guy doesn't even appear on screen helps to keep the mystery muddled.

That said, using the Hoth Han argument, one certainly has an argument to make the figure grey.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on July 10, 2008, 10:05 AM

All three look to me to be either grey or olive (like Tarkin)...I'd say there is enough there to release a DSC, hell they released an EU Blue Coat Hoth, 4-5 times
the fact that this guy doesn't even appear on screen helps to keep the mystery muddled.

I think the pictures above are of the same guy...he's the guy manning whatever the hell that is during those scenes in Tarkin's war room.  And if you look at his outfit vs Tarkins they look almost the same in the same light.  Tarkin's is not black so I don't know how you could definitively say the Troopers isn't either
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Jesse James on July 10, 2008, 03:01 PM
Not to mention the Death "Squad" Trooper does appear in the film...  Watch in wide screen before they blow up Alderaan...  You can pretty clearly see him in the background there.  You may also be able to see him manning his station during the battle of Yavin as Tarkin watches on, but you can definitely see him in the scenes where Alderaan is destroyed.  You have to be quick/careful though to catch him as the camera doesn't stay on him much and if you don't have widescreen he's impossible to be seen.

The whole "Tarkin" story is something people at Rebelscum began making up too, I believe...  No offense Anton but they sorta make up their own stories to fit their own theories over there I've noticed...  "Don't like it?  Well hey I 'heard' it was all just a goof up and it was supposed to be Tarkin blabbity blah", kind of a thing.  That had no basis in reality other than it was some guy's fantasy that doesn't want to admit the outfit existed on-screen.

It actually was a pretty common technique for the military advisor(s) involved with Star Wars to use a uniform to denote a rank or station above/over another, rather than showing a colorful rank badge or whatnot.  In ANH there is a Rebel Technician (the one listening in on headset to the space battle) who wears a unique uniform to the other technicians denoting he is somehow "superior" over them.  The same concept carried over to other films as well (even ROTJ where an advisor was ultimately absent).
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 11, 2008, 10:32 AM
The whole vintage Tarkin figure thing, sure, what do I know? However, I do work in film and know a thing or two about lighting. I can say with 100% certainty that the guy pictured in that wide shot is wearing a black uniform. It just looks the way it does because of a combination of the quality of the fabric (the way it absorbs light) and the lighting design for this scene. Tarkin and this guy are also standing in different light sources. Tarkin's is screen left while the tech's is right above him. The guy from this screen grab is also not the same guy on the card.

The guy on the card is probably the guy manning the station screen right. He appears in both the decision to go to Alderan and the Alderan destruction scenes. While he doesn't have much screen time, the screen time he has isn't a slam dunk uniform-wise. In the establishing shot (from the angle of the screen grab-the destruction scene) his uniform does indeed look grey. However, in the reverse shot with the same guy in the background, his uniform is black and it's unlikely they switched uniforms. You'll notice that Vader's cape also looks grey from this angle in the decision to go to Alderan scene. Based on my 12 years of experience as a camera man working on film sets, I can say with absolute certainty that the uniforms were black. It's the intensity of light that makes the fabric look grey.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Nicklab on July 11, 2008, 12:13 PM
I've said similar things in the past in several discussions regarding the lighting, Anton.  My own credentials stem from working as a video shader in the television industry, which involves controlling the video signal levels of cameras that are part of a production.  Film lighting tends to be much more intense than television lighting, and I wouldn't be surprised if the primary lighting source shining down on the Death Star Trooper in that scene is a focused 2 K fresnel.  That's some serious lighting power.

I agree with Anton here.  It looks like there's a very strong lighting source directly above and behind the trooper manning that station.  And the shot from the vintage card has that same light washing down from above, mainly on the helmet, shoulders and arms.  Plus the cardback shot has an additional lighting source which is lighting up the DST's chest and face.  That light was probably part of the set piece.

I honestly think that given the lighting conditions involved we cannot make a definitive statement about the uniform color.  Lighting that strong will wash out any color, including black.  We would only have valid source material from the movie if said trooper had been lit similary to Tarkin and had dialogue or was featured as an active part of the scene.  Other valid source material would be a costume documentation photo of this specific actor.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Jeff on September 5, 2008, 11:38 PM
From this week's answers (http://www.jedidefender.com/newspro/fullnews.cgi?newsid1220671778,70469,):

1.  Many collectors have their own ideas on which vintage Kenner figures have yet to be updated. Some consider the Bespin Guard to be done because we got the PotJ version, but others don’t consider him done until we get the black variant. Same goes for the Imperial Dignitary - some think the ones we got are close enough, others want the exact dignitary from the Kenner run. What does your “Kenner figures we still need to modernize” list look like? Do you guys count some modern figures as "close enough" or do you still have a pretty long list running?

** Great question. We consider a figure "completed" in the spirit of Vintage if we are satisfied that the articulation and sculpting is as "good as it's gonna get." So we would not put the Bespin Guard in that camp. Others that have been upgraded but not appeared on Vintage cardbacks (like 4-LOM) we consider upgraded. As for the Imperial Dignitary, we would only consider that one "complete" if we did the same dignitary (Sate Pestage, although he was not named then) with modern aesthetics.  


I was hoping they'd give us a little bit of a list or something, but it's at least a little bit of insight in how they see things anyway...
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Jesse James on September 6, 2008, 01:28 AM
Sounds bad for a Death Star Trooper though...  I want my Death Squad Commander dammit, and I want him resculpted too.  Ah well...
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: EpicGon on September 6, 2008, 01:54 AM
I think both imperials and rebel commanders need an update. We saw one at sdcc 2008, with Lt. Renz, but his body is a repaint from Jerjerood´s body. We need soldiers and commanders with id and without id.

I think the tendency of Hasbro line is to release a commander with his full name, because anonymate is avoided due to the public knowledge of these oficers´names by fans worldwide.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Pete_Fett on September 6, 2008, 02:40 AM
To be honest, there was a point in time when I used to consider the two Hoth Soldiers "done". I've since changed my mind for two reasons: (1) the POTF2 and Saga generic Rebels both SUCK and (2) even if those releases were to be consider decent, none of them really "matches" the outfit/head sculpt combinations that were issued by Kenner. To make matters worse, we've still yet to get an Echo Base Interior "no-name" Rebel Trooper. Sure we have Derlin, in the right colors, he's a named character, not a generic Rebel trooper.

For me one of the biggest sticking point is the darn moustaches... For some reason, Kenner felt compelled to add moustaches to the Hoth Rebel Commander and Caucasian Bespin Guard. I guess from my point of view, with what they've done with that Endor Rebel Body, essentially releasing it four times (1st release, TSC Version 1 (Caucasian), TSC Version 2 (African American), TAC (Modified to be Rebel Vanguard)) - I don't see any reason why they couldn't do the same thing - changing heads & hands on top-notch body sculpts of an Echo Base Interior Rebel Soldier, Echo Base Exterior Trenches Rebel Soldier and Bespin Guard. With all of the head swaps and repaints they do, adding three new bodies like this will sustain them for a while. In the case of the Hoth Rebel troopers, I don't know about you guys, but they could make new heads and paint variants many times over and if the body was a good SA and I'd be extremely happy picking up each one to flesh out the Rebel side of my Hoth battle diorama.

With regards to the Silver RA-7 - now that we know it's the Build-a-Droid for Wave 4 - seeing that I'm of the basic CYA mindset, that's good enough for me. I could care less that it was never carded individually and yeah - the one in the Death Star was black chrome, not silver chrome, the dirty silver chrome version was in the Sandcrawler. So it is nice to see that Hasbro is taking care of people who want the droid one way or the other or both (now if I can just find Wave 3!).

Good news Re: the Imperial Dignitary (sort of) - the bad news is that they're saying the Sim Aloo (the name of the Kenner dignitary) is Sate Pestage. Did Sim Aloo's name change when I wasn't looking?

With regards to the Death Squad Commander - like someone said - purely due to nostalgia, we've gotten Blue Coat versions of both the hood-down and hood-up Modern Vintage Han - and since it's been proven that the coat was really brown, these blue versions were created PURELY for the nostalgia factor since the vintage Kenner figure featured a blue coat. I don't see how Hasbro looses out by sticking the TAC Death Star Trooper in a battle pack or even on a Saga Legends card in a Gray Uniform repaint, so like I said in my previous post - this is a no-brainer.

Another figure that can be crossed off my list is an Imperial Officer in Black Uniform - the Assault on the Shield Generator pack is going to include one of those, granted it's a ROTJ Imperial Officer as opposed to an ESB Imperial Officer which is what the Kenner figure was supposed to be, but then again, the Kenner figure showed a picture of Captain/Admiral Piet, and he was never in black, so I could care less if they call it Commander Praji or Lt. Renz or Captain D-Bag, they're going to continue to give the body a new head sculpt and Imperial Officer us to death with this body sculpt so I say bring it on.

That leaves the Jabba Palace Guard Klaatu - which I think Hasbro said is on their short list or coming in 2009 or soon (I can't recall exactly, but they did specifically touch on this figure recently in a Q&A session).

And the two Ewoks - which like other things, all they really need to do is take the Ewok 2-pack, make some different cowls and paint the two Ewoks colors to match the Kenner figures and call it a day. This is another excellent candidate for either a repaint wave or a Saga Legends figure.

Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Nicklab on September 6, 2008, 11:07 AM
It's very cool to see Hasbro taking this approach of "Is this figure as good as it's going to get?" when talking about completing all of the previously issued vintage figures.  They see the POTJ Bespin guard as inferior when compared with the modern figure aesthetic.  And by that right it seems that they're keeping a good number of the Rebel troops in their "parking lot".


Good news Re: the Imperial Dignitary (sort of) - the bad news is that they're saying the Sim Aloo (the name of the Kenner dignitary) is Sate Pestage. Did Sim Aloo's name change when I wasn't looking?

I'm honestly not sure where the Sim Aloo name originated.  I've seen that same Imperial Dignitary depicted in some of the Dark Horse comics.  He took on the role of Imperial leader after Emporer Palpatine was killed on the second Death Star.  And in those comics he was called Sate Pestage.


With regards to the Death Squad Commander - like someone said - purely due to nostalgia, we've gotten Blue Coat versions of both the hood-down and hood-up Modern Vintage Han - and since it's been proven that the coat was really brown, these blue versions were created PURELY for the nostalgia factor since the vintage Kenner figure featured a blue coat. I don't see how Hasbro looses out by sticking the TAC Death Star Trooper in a battle pack or even on a Saga Legends card in a Gray Uniform repaint, so like I said in my previous post - this is a no-brainer.

This one is kind of low-priority to me.  But if there gets to be enough of a buzz in the fan community about it, as there was for the blue coat/brown coat issue for Hoth Han Solo, this will get done.  It just doesn't seem to be on Hasbro's radar screen right now.

Another figure that can be crossed off my list is an Imperial Officer in Black Uniform - the Assault on the Shield Generator pack is going to include one of those, granted it's a ROTJ Imperial Officer as opposed to an ESB Imperial Officer which is what the Kenner figure was supposed to be, but then again, the Kenner figure showed a picture of Captain/Admiral Piet, and he was never in black, so I could care less if they call it Commander Praji or Lt. Renz or Captain D-Bag, they're going to continue to give the body a new head sculpt and Imperial Officer us to death with this body sculpt so I say bring it on.

Actually, the officer on the vintage Imperial Commander card is General Veers.  It always struck me as very odd that they showed an officer in the green/grey tunic and not the black uni...like the figure was issued.

The Lt. Renz in the battle pack suffices to me.  It's the same uni as the vintage Imperial Commander.  Even if it is in a battle pack, I wouldn't be surprised to see a black uni Imperial Officer with some name issued in the basic figure line down the line.


And the two Ewoks - which like other things, all they really need to do is take the Ewok 2-pack, make some different cowls and paint the two Ewoks colors to match the Kenner figures and call it a day. This is another excellent candidate for either a repaint wave or a Saga Legends figure.

I get the feeling that Hasbro might knock out the remaining Ewoks within the next two years.  I think we're getting at least one of them in 2009.  I think it might be packed with a new version of Wicket, but that's pure speculation on my part.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Pete_Fett on September 6, 2008, 08:17 PM
Actually, the officer on the vintage Imperial Commander card is General Veers.  It always struck me as very odd that they showed an officer in the green/grey tunic and not the black uni...like the figure was issued.

The Lt. Renz in the battle pack suffices to me.  It's the same uni as the vintage Imperial Commander.  Even if it is in a battle pack, I wouldn't be surprised to see a black uni Imperial Officer with some name issued in the basic figure line down the line.

Thanks for the correction Nick - I was working purely off of memory on the vintage carded figure. I agree with you on the Lt. Renz - for me it's "good enough" too - so the Black Uniform Imperial Officer can finally come off of the lists. I'm sure we'll get a version of the figure with either the same head or a new head in a future Saga Legends line.

I get the feeling that Hasbro might knock out the remaining Ewoks within the next two years.  I think we're getting at least one of them in 2009.  I think it might be packed with a new version of Wicket, but that's pure speculation on my part.

Yeah, based on one of their answers this week, it's clear they know that Wicket and Logray need to be redone - so they could easily redo both of them and package each of them with one of the two remaining Ewoks. I also wouldn't mind seeing them issue one of these missing Ewoks with a repaint of the wokling in a different basket.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth_Anton on September 7, 2008, 04:57 PM
I'll take credit for that question. Thanks to Jeff for cleaning it up.

Interesting answer. Might be cause for adjustments to my master list.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Nicklab on May 18, 2009, 08:16 PM
BUMP!  Warok is on the way.  And then there were....?
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth_Anton on May 19, 2009, 10:23 AM
I think that leaves us -

Never attempted:
Lumat
Bespin Guard vrs #2
Klaatu - Jabba's Palace

Never carded:
B-Wing Pilot
Paploo
Warok

Arguable variants:
Death Squad Commander (grey outfit)
Rebel Commander (generic)
At-At commander (generic)
Bespin Guard #1 (mustache)
Imperial Commander (generic)
Nikto - Skiff Guard
Imperial Dignitary
Barada - Luke's skiff
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Nicklab on May 19, 2009, 12:30 PM
Can you believe that I've actually seen some arguments about the vintage Death Star Droid?  The argument is that the Droid Factory MB-RA-7 isn't vac-metal that it's not an acceptable modern rendition of the vintage droid.  And that's the point where I think the debate on this subject has jumped the shark.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth_Anton on May 20, 2009, 10:10 AM
I can believe that, but I wouldn't put it on the list.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on May 20, 2009, 12:34 PM
Don't you think the Endor pack Imperial Commander is good enough?  Unless you want Veers in a black tunic or move him to the never been carded spot.  And I'd say the last wave Rebel Soldier takes care of that one as well in any debate, they have made Derlin and a mustachioed Rebel Trooper.

I'm also not sure why the AT-AT Commander is on there?
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Jesse James on May 20, 2009, 02:48 PM
I would list the vintage Endor Rebel as well...  Why?

Look him over.  There IS a guy dressed just like the vintage figure, and they've never done one like him.  The exposed shirt under the green coat and all.  He's got a pudgy face and things.  They've done Endor Rebs with no camo coat, and the one with the camo coat covering him (zipped up and things).  Not the vintage one though.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Matt on May 20, 2009, 03:46 PM
I can't believe that we're now fourteen years and 1000+ figures into the "new" line, and there are still a handful of figures from the original 90+ that haven't been remade yet.  Amazing.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Jesse James on May 20, 2009, 04:08 PM
I think a lot of these Hasbro considers "done"...  The Imp Commander is one that I personally consider to be off the table.  I want a better one for sure, but the one in the Endor set covers that figure to me.  Likewise I am not sure if the one head variant of the new Rebel Soldier from Hoth should count as the "Commander".  The facial hair and all...  I sorta think it covers him. 

At the same time I don't consider the "Death Star Commander" arguable...  There's stills that clearly show a DST in grey at the helm of one of those mushroom podium things in the command room, and the figure mimiced that photo.  Hasbro's never done that.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: iFett on May 20, 2009, 04:17 PM
I can't believe that we're now fourteen years and 1000+ figures into the "new" line, and there are still a handful of figures from the original 90+ that haven't been remade yet.  Amazing.

Hasbro has us the license till 2018 so I'm sure there's a reason behind that.  Not to mention a Rebel Trooper that someone here is looking forward to....someday   ;)
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Nicklab on May 20, 2009, 04:44 PM
I definitely think that the AT-AT commander and Imperial commander can come off the debatable list.  The recent battle pack should definitely cover the vintage Imperial Commander figure and we have a General Veers that covers the image on that card. 

Likewise, the AT-AT commander seems covered again by General Veers.  After all, he's the only AT-AT commander that we ever see in the movies.  And there's no image of another AT-AT commander on the vintage card.  Just an AT-AT image.   No photo of Veers in armor.

I think Scott's also onto something with the Hoth rebels.  Between Derlin and the new Hoth Rebel I think we're covered.  If you really want to get technical about it, then perhaps we need someone like a Cal Alder to get that base totally covered.

As for the never carded category?  Not sure that I buy into that train of thought.  When we get into that I think it comes across more as an attempt to perpetuate this ongoing discussion within the collecting community.  Clearly, we've got a B-Wing pilot at retail RIGHT NOW, Paploo was in a vehicle pack and Warok will be in a battle pack.  To me, a figure is a figure regardless of whether it was released on a card or as a pack-in.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Matt on May 20, 2009, 05:01 PM
Hasbro has us the license till 2018 so I'm sure there's a reason behind that.

I'm well aware of the reasons behind it, thanks.  Just commenting on the craziness of it all.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Jesse James on May 20, 2009, 05:45 PM
A Rebel Trooper??  THE Rebel Trooper...  Actually I'm for any new Rebel Troopers right now.  THey all needed redone.   :-\
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: evenflow on May 20, 2009, 09:52 PM
Just give me Sim Aloo, the ewoks, and Klaatu and i will consider it done
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth_Anton on May 21, 2009, 10:18 AM
I have the At-At Commander and Imperial Commander on the list because they are arguable - in name only. The originals were labeled as generic. I know we'll never get them as generic, and I consider them done, but others don't. That's why I have them on the list.

As for the Death Star Trooper, again, I know the picture clearly shows the trooper in grey, but it has been argued that the picture either has been manipulated or shows a false color. After all, in reverse angles in the movie, his outfit is darker, if not black all together. That's why he's arguable. I consider him done, but if they ever made one, I'd pick a few up to stand in as sergeants.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Jesse James on May 21, 2009, 03:42 PM
The still's are under clear lighting though... I've never seen how people "argued" that one.  It's like the brown coat Han debate...  There was no "debate" there.  There were clear studio shots and LFL color charts that showed the color to be brown...  The DS Trooper in grey is the same deal to me.  :-\
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Nicklab on May 21, 2009, 06:00 PM
I've chimed in on the Death Squad Commander before and I will again.  I've worked in television for 15 years and much of that time was spent color correcting cameras for broadcast.  And in that time I saw plenty of high intensity lights (1K and 2K fresnels) make black fabric appear much lighter than it actually was.  I've seen people in black clothing under tv studio lighting, and because of the intensity of the lights their outfits begin to look either washed out, grey or even a little green.

The trooper's in the photo that's on the vintage card has an incredibly powerful light shining right down on him.  You can tell because of the glare on the helmet.  And there's another light shining from the console up into his face.  Lights at those intensities and distances will cause colors to wash out.

With that knowledge in mind, the only thing that would convince me that this particular trooper's uniform was grey would be reference/continuity still photographs that were taken with neutral lighting/backgrounds like this:

(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/e/ec/Tarkin-CHRON.jpg/241px-Tarkin-CHRON.jpg)


And to date, no such reference photograph has surfaced.  Until it does the color of that DS trooper's uni is in dispute.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Darth_Anton on May 22, 2009, 10:21 AM
I got my start in the camera department in film and TV myself and have added my informed two cents as well. My opinion is the same as Nicklab's, based on my experience.  It's not to say that it's impossible that that trooper is wearing a grey uniform, but based on the reference material and physics, it would be the closest thing to a sure bet I'd ever seen that the uniform was black.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on May 22, 2009, 12:01 PM
I look at it like the Hoth Han deal...they made one, they can easily make a DSC and throw him into an ultimate Death Star Battle pack or somewhere.  It is a really easy custom, though so while I'd like one, it is not real high on my list of needs
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on June 9, 2010, 12:45 AM
I think we have all come to the agreement that the following still need modern updates:

Have Been Made But Need Vintage Deco

Death Squad Commander (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=20544.0)
Power Droid (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=20690.0)

Have Not Been Made

None So Far

Have Been Made But The Vintage Figure Was Obscenely Movie Innacurate

Greedo (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=20547.0)
Walrus Man (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=20581.0)
Hammerhead (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=20551.0)
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Nicklab on June 9, 2010, 08:21 PM
How about Sim Aloo Scott?  It's been pretty clear that even Hasbro recognizes that they have not made that particular Imperial Dignitary.  Especially considering the "class picture" of the dignitaries it's clear that the two that were made are not the same individual as the vintage figure.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Diddly on January 1, 2011, 06:58 PM
Jedi Temple Archives Claims Seven Vintage Figures Need Modern Updates (http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/specialreports/vintageversusmodern/)

This list seems innacurate though... off the top of my head I'm pretty sure we got Sy Snootles and Barada during POTF2. I'm no Vintage expert though so I'm probably wrong.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Pete_Fett on January 1, 2011, 11:17 PM
This list seems innacurate though... off the top of my head I'm pretty sure we got Sy Snootles and Barada during POTF2. I'm no Vintage expert though so I'm probably wrong.

Their reasoning for Sy Snootles is that the figure we have is a representation of the Special Edition CG Sy Snootles whereas the Vintage figure is of the Sy Snootles puppet. I can totally understand this since the CG model looks nothing like the original puppet - but I can also understand Hasbro's stance on why we're only ever going to get figures based on the new CG version of the character.

For Barada - what they're saying is that the Vintage figure was actually of Kithaba (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kithaba), whereas the cardback artwork AND the modern figures we've gotten are of the actual character named Barada (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Barada).

Personally, with how great they've done with the Wooof (Klaatu) figure, I'd welcome new versions of Weequay, Barada, Skiff Guard Klaatu and also a truly updated Kithaba.

Like JTA even points out in their article, they had a hard time deciding whether or not to view the Death Squad Commander figure as "done" - personally, I say "no" - but I know the whole "the uniform was black/dark olive/gray" argument. So to me, if you're going to say Barada/Kithaba hasn't been done because of a yellow shirt and red pants, you have to say the Death Squad Commander isn't done due to the gray uniform. (but again, that's just my opinion)

I think there's always going to be a handful of figures that are questionable and argued over, that's just the nature of the hobby and I think the longer Hasbro keeps the Vintage Collection going, the better chance we have at finally putting to bed many of those arguments.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: SnTrooper on January 2, 2011, 01:17 PM
I'd don't understand how people can say we don't have the Bespin Guard and then say we do have the Rebel Commander. We don't have either.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scockery on January 3, 2011, 11:54 PM
Until they repaint Momwaw Nadon in blue outfit with cartoony eyes, the vintage will never be complete! Also all possible droid combinations from the Droid Factory set and the vintage compactor monster.

Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Nicklab on January 4, 2011, 02:02 AM
The Bespin Guard and Sy Snootles on that list are really an exercise in splitting hairs. 

There have been 4 different Bespin guards offered in the modern line.  One of which is clearly aimed at reproducing the vintage black Bespin Guard.  And at least 2 of the modern Bespin guards would be acceptable modern stand-ins for the vintage, moustachioed Bespin guard.  IMHO the Carbon Freeze Chamber pack-in Bespin guard or the POTJ Bespin guard fit that bill.  On this particular topic I don't think every purist would be completely satisfied unless at least TWO more Bespin guards would be made:  one with the mustache like the vintage Kenner figure, and one with the beard like the Bespin guard on the vintage Kenner cardback.

As for Sy Snootles?  Guess what:  a theatrical release version ain't gonna happen.  That is just wishful thinking gone horribly wrong.  It took a major fanboy movement to get the theatrical versions of the OT released on video.  A small group of theatrical release Sy Snootles fans aren't going to get the puppet version released as a figure.  The character has been represented in the modern line, and in the eyes of most REASONABLE PEOPLE that makes it a done deal.  The word "WE" in that article does not represent the views of the rest of the staff of JTA.

As for the others?  They're pretty legit.  And it seems that Hasbro agrees on Kithaba, which may very well be on the way this year.  And we're probably going to get the remaining Ewok eventually.  I don't know how confident Hasbro is with Sim Aloo though.  They seem to be avoiding that one quite a bit.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scockery on January 4, 2011, 01:30 PM
.  A small group of theatrical release Sy Snootles fans aren't going to get the puppet version released as a figure. 

Yeah, and Hasbro will never make Willrow Hood or Yarna.

Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: SnTrooper on January 4, 2011, 04:40 PM
I think there is a better chance that Lucasfilm will edit the CGI Sy to have her feather and tusks in the Blu-Ray release than  Hasbro is to make a figure of the puppet version. Especially considering their reluctance to even resculpt the CGI one.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Nicklab on January 4, 2011, 04:58 PM
.  A small group of theatrical release Sy Snootles fans aren't going to get the puppet version released as a figure.  

Yeah, and Hasbro will never make Willrow Hood or Yarna.



I would buy this if we were talking about a character that had NEVER been represented in figure form, ever.  But that is not the case.  This argument is about whether we get a figure based on a puppet or a CGI character.  BIG difference.

And then, look at the history:  the launch of the modern Kenner line in the mid 1990's was no doubt linked to the fact that Lucasfilm was on the verge of releasing the Star Wars Special Editions.  And mind you those Special Edition versions of the OT were the source of the CGI Sy Snootles.  So why would both Kenner (soon to be Hasbro) and Lucas Licensing want to produce a figure that would be based on a puppet from the 1983 theatrical release and not from the 1997 release that was George Lucas' re-imagining of RETURN OF THE JEDI?

This is an argument from a far smaller minority than that which extoled the virtues of Ice Cream Maker Guy and Yarna.  And it is an exercise in finding something to argue about for arguments sake.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Pete_Fett on January 4, 2011, 06:35 PM
This is an argument from a far smaller minority than that which extoled the virtues of Ice Cream Maker Guy and Yarna.  And it is an exercise in finding something to argue about for arguments sake.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on January 26, 2012, 11:36 AM
It has been quite a year for the Vintage Updates...Barada, Hoth Soldier, Nikto...we're down to a few...

For Sure
1. Lumat  Rumored for some time in 2012/13
2. Imperial Dignitary Sim Aloo baby

Debatable
1. Blue Gonk An exact replica of the Lars family Power Droid was not made
2. Death Squad Commander The old debate
3. Bespin Guard  Mustache Variant
4. Hoth Commander Mustache Variant
5. Endor Soldier They really have never done the Jumpsuit figure made in the vintage line

I really do not see the need to include Sy Snootles...the changes from Puppet to CGI were minor and they did one...I agree with Nick

(http://www.rebelscum.com/vintage/vintsynootlesloose.jpg)(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/POTF2bandsyfr.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Nicklab on January 26, 2012, 11:48 AM
Not so sure I agree on the Endor Trooper.  A side-by-side comparison seems in order here:

(http://www.rebelscum.com/vintage/vintrebelcommandofr.jpg)

(http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/potf2endorsoldierfront.jpg)


I think these might be as close as it gets.  Simply because I think the vintage Kenner figure was so simplified that it's quaint in comparison with the POTF2 figure.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on January 26, 2012, 11:53 AM
Good point Nick...I've seen that one debated before...my own personal list is:

Lumat
Sim Aloo
Blue Gonk
Death Squad Commander

I'm OK with the Bespin Guard, Hoth Commander and Endor Troops
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on January 26, 2012, 12:20 PM
Just based on the styling...I'd reckon the Vintage Figure was based on the guy on the left:

(http://www.tk560.com/endor3.jpg)

(http://www.rebelscum.com/TVC/Basic/VC26Commando/TVC-863.jpg)

Jesse might say different...splitting hairs
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scockery on January 26, 2012, 12:52 PM
Include guys with mustaches and "the probably wasn't in any movie" Death Star Commander as debatable but deny the original  Sy Snootles even that much. You felt the need to bring her up again just to dismiss her?  Even posting photos that make the differences obvious? ::)

Some people want that figure, as much as some people want every barely seen costume variation of Rebel troopers.


Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Jesse James on January 26, 2012, 01:22 PM
He's definitely based on one of the guys with the camo coat, but opened...  The POTF2 figure is based on a guy in the camo coat with it zipped up, who can be seen during the fighting.

To me that's pretty important to the argument as to whether we need them redone though, since they're based on different people seen in the film.

Taking the POTF2 guy out for a moment (though I still want him redone), the Vintage guy is clearly based on the characters with that specific coat opened up, and to date they've not been done in the modern line, so I think that's pretty fair game.

I think that pic is a fair example of who he's based on, however at the briefing I believe some guys are like that as well.  You see the closed hoodie when they land on Endor I believe, and then in the battle someone with it zipped up.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: SnTrooper on January 27, 2012, 03:16 PM
The other main difference between the Endor Troopers is the backpacks. Vintage has the bag version and PotF2 has the green Hoth version.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: P-Siddy on January 27, 2012, 03:31 PM

(http://www.tk560.com/endor3.jpg)

And not a single facial hair on one of them!  :o (Okay, there's Chewie in the picture)
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Nicklab on January 27, 2012, 05:26 PM
So the criteria for who has been made and who hasn't is now resting on the position of a zipper?  It's great to see how these discussions can come full circle.  Good times!  ;D
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Matt R. on February 15, 2012, 09:47 PM
3 left fellas  :D

Sim Aloo
Sy Snootles
Bespin Guard (moustache)
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Nicklab on February 15, 2012, 10:23 PM
Good point Nick...I've seen that one debated before...my own personal list is:

Lumat
Sim Aloo
Blue Gonk
Death Squad Commander

I'm OK with the Bespin Guard, Hoth Commander and Endor Troops

I think this list is probably closer to the mark, and Lumat just got confirmed. 

We've certainly been over the Death Squad Commander thing enough.  That being said, I'd be fine with things if Hasbro offered the upcoming Imperial Naval Trooper in a grey/olive uniform running change.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Scott on July 14, 2012, 09:19 PM
So on FB yesterday GH reports that Sim Aloo, Blue Gonk and Mustachioed Guard are on the very short list for the next time Vintage comes back
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: SnTrooper on July 15, 2012, 12:57 PM
Something to look forward to in 2015+.
Title: Re: Vintage Figures Which Have Not Been Updated
Post by: Spirit of MAC on August 27, 2012, 07:58 PM
So on FB yesterday GH reports that Sim Aloo, Blue Gonk and Mustachioed Guard are on the very short list for the next time Vintage comes back

That was good to see confirmed, however expected.  Color/facial hair variants aside, Sim Aloo was really the only vintage figure left on my list here that was an absolute must have.  It's sounded for years like Hasbro's been interested in polishing off this entire list as well, so I'm sure we'll eventually see the rest of the minor variances get made too.  I'd love to see Hasbro just do a "Vintage-deco" wave similar to what Curto teased (http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/Rumor_Report_Antique_Force_Detail_Chases_The_Vintage_Collection_130449.asp) for April Fool's a few years back:

(http://www.rebelscum.com/2010/AFDpowerdroid-tn.jpg) (http://www.rebelscum.com/2010/AFDdeathsquad-tn.jpg) (http://www.rebelscum.com/2010/AFDboba-tn.jpg) (http://www.rebelscum.com/2010/AFDluke-tn.jpg) (http://www.rebelscum.com/2010/AFDjawa1-tn.jpg)

Obviously you'd need to add Ponda, Greedo and Momaw into the mix there as well to really round out the set, though they'd obviously be far more ideal in one of those Target vintage 3-packs.