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Title: Palpatine and Sidious and Sifo Dyas
Post by: Scott on October 3, 2003, 11:38 AM
Anyone still think differently that they are one and the same, I hope not...

From theforce.net

- Palpatine and Sidious are the same person. The dark side shrouds everything, even Jedi eyes.
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: Nicklab on October 3, 2003, 11:42 AM
I've known this since I saw The Phantom Menace.  Between that and the confirmation in one of the online chats at the Official site, I hope nobody is hanging on to that theory.
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: Scott on October 3, 2003, 11:45 AM
It is amazing what people will try and do though to try and say Palpatine is a clone or Sidious is a clone or they are different...the fact that 50% of the audience is not hardcore into SW, this will be a surprise to a lot of people still

Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: Darth Broem on October 3, 2003, 12:16 PM
It does not take much to throw people off especially if they are just a casual fan.  Chancellor Palpatine, Emperor, Emperor Palpatine, Darth Sidious now who are all these people?  Then you thrown in Sifo-Dyas and nobody knows what end is up.
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on October 3, 2003, 01:49 PM
Hey Broem, have you spoken with George or Rick about this recently? They always seem to spill the beans to you!  ;D
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: Jesse James on October 3, 2003, 08:43 PM
This was what sparked a hot debate at Scum the other day, and it boiled down to more or less a "What's canon" argument...  With the movie confirming it not being out it's still a thing that's open to debate.

It seems too logical for Lucas to pull something goofy on it, so I think they're the same person, but hey he's 100% capable of throwing every bit of logic out the window and putting something completely stupid into the plot just to make it "interesting" (In his eyes only I suppose).

The whole debate seems sorta pointless though...  Who cares?  Wait'll the flick comes out.  :)  Shame it's something people actually get upset and argue over.
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: Scott on February 27, 2004, 04:23 PM
My idea:

Palpatine was a real guy from Naboo, pretty powerful Senator etc.  Right before TPM the real Sith Lord (Syfo-Dyas) kills the real Palpatine, pretends to off himself and assumes Palpatine's place in the Senate.  He's either so powerful in the dark side or a shape shifter.  Before this he orders the Clones, Erases Kamino and gets himself elected Chancellor...voila
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: P'dubs on February 27, 2004, 06:21 PM
The theory of Palpatine being a clone is pretty sound.
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: SilverZ on February 27, 2004, 07:17 PM
OCB - That's the most plausible idea I've seen that avoids the "mwahahah I was evil all along!" direction everyone seems to think its going. I'd love it to turn out to be the case. It would be much more interesting since that can be filmed through discovery and action instead of the Scooby Doo villian explains it all to the meddling Jedi speach I'm terrified of sitting through.
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: Darth Moribund on March 4, 2004, 01:12 AM
   THEY ARE DEFFINATLY ONE IN THE SAME. THE THING SEPERATING THE IDENTITIES IS THE TWO SIDES THAT ARE BEING PLAYED. ALTHO HE IS BAD AND ALL HE IS JUST POSSITIONING HIS BALANCE OF POWER BETWEEN THE SEPERATISTS AND THE REPUBLIC.  DOES THAT MAKE SENCE??         Darth Moribund
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: Mainland05 on March 4, 2004, 01:51 PM
I Still to this day, do not understand this at all!!!!!

How are they the same?  Just how?  

How is Palpatine, Darth Sidious?
I would like to know, please, because this really confuses, me.

Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: Darth Moribund on March 4, 2004, 02:08 PM
palpatine played both sides in order to obtain power. in the EP1 book there is a mention about the fall of the sith and of one who remained for years. waiting....

so he is good in the senete and has power to top it off. and he is playing the Sidious role to wage war and possition himself when any opertunity arrives to strive to what it is he is seeking. total dominance of the gallexy. something like this !
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: Scott on March 4, 2004, 02:10 PM
See I don't buy the fact that Palpatine has been a Sith Lord all the while he went through the ranks of Naboo Politics and then the Galactic Senate...it doesn't make sense

What does make sense is that the real Sith Lord killed Palpatine and assumed his identity (Dark Side powers cloud his true appearance OR he is a shapeshifter ala Zam)
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: Mainland05 on March 4, 2004, 02:31 PM

What does make sense is that the real Sith Lord killed Palpatine and assumed his identity (Dark Side powers cloud his true appearance OR he is a shapeshifter ala Zam)

Now I understand this a whole lot more.

This makes more sense, a lot more sense. Maybe they will talk about this in EPIII.
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: Darth Moribund on March 4, 2004, 08:58 PM
 everything is a possability. realy. the thought of a Sith Lord taking Palpatine's identity is a mad twist !!

 i once read before the they released the Special Edition in the theatre that Palpatine was a senator who rose to power in the Republic only to turn his back and declare himself Emperor.

 the Sith thing was that only 2 are to be around so there is no power struggle amongst them. Palpatine/ Sidious had Maul as his apprentice. when killed, he had Tyrannus/Dooku (Dooku in Japaneese means "poison"). then, Anakin/Vader. and we know about the power of Vader and what Anakin meant to the Jedi. he was loaded w/ power. Anakin is a shortened name of a race of giants taken from the Bible. Genesis i think.
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: Montross on March 7, 2004, 01:43 AM
I know they are the same guy but I always find myself trying to find subtle differences in the 2 chracters.  Such as consintrating on the lower half of the face. Also I try to compare the voices. Also if you think about it. How can he just split from his office(being such an important leader) and go off to a hide out all by himself.  It's like the president of the US suddenly leaving washington and going all the way to CA by himself just to watch Linkin Park in concert with out anyone knowing. Yes, I know its a weirdass analogy but it works  ;) I also heard that palpy is indeed something of a changeling. He is some how able to keep himself looking normal until E3 where he lets it all go loose and he has a scary face and yellow eyes. I dont care, just seein him bust out a saber will be cool enough.
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: Playgirl on March 7, 2004, 04:56 AM
if sidious has taken palpatiens identity, why would he keep that identity after he has gained control over the galaxy???
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: Mainland05 on March 7, 2004, 12:09 PM
if sidious has taken palpatiens identity, why would he keep that identity after he has gained control over the galaxy???

True, that!! That is a great point, Playgirl!

Very Questionable!
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: Darth Moribund on March 7, 2004, 04:55 PM
 very good indeed ! the thing about Palpatine's eyes and skin, etc is that the darkside consumes you. rotting the flesh as well as contaminating the soul. pure evil.
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: Scott on March 7, 2004, 10:52 PM
Because the rest of the Galaxy probably wouldn't take to kindly to being duped by an evil stand-in...hence the Rebellion, Bail, Mon Mothma, Padme etc probably find out that the "lie" that Dooku told Obi-Wan is true
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: Darth Moribund on March 8, 2004, 01:43 PM
  i'll agree w/ that. Palpatine/ Sidious are one smart , sneeky son of guns ! anyway to gain control.
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious
Post by: Scott on September 20, 2004, 04:48 PM
My idea:

Palpatine was a real guy from Naboo, pretty powerful Senator etc.  Right before TPM the real Sith Lord (Syfo-Dyas) kills the real Palpatine, pretends to off himself and assumes Palpatine's place in the Senate.  He's either so powerful in the dark side or a shape shifter.  Before this he orders the Clones, Erases Kamino and gets himself elected Chancellor...voila

I was thinking about Sifo Dyas today for some reason...anyone have a guess better than mine?
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious and Sifo Dyas
Post by: Vator on September 20, 2004, 07:29 PM
My guess:

Sidious is Palpatine, Syfo Dyas was Dooku. C'mon it's Lucas, don't expect it to be something really elaborate!  :P

Other there theory: Sidious has trained by Darth Bane and has lived for 1000s of years. Finally, he begins to gain power and control and assumes the name of Palpatine after killing the real one. Sidious is able to shed his skin so to speak and can travel from body to body. Sidious is just a spirit that can assume different hosts (Dark Empire).
The Palpatine host is eventually killed. Sidious lives on, cue Episodes VII-IX.
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious and Sifo Dyas
Post by: Scott on November 4, 2004, 12:11 AM
So...what's with the teeth?

(http://img120.exs.cx/img120/2290/t3.jpg)

They sort of match what the Emperor looks like in ROTJ, but they seem far different than what Palpatine would look like in the PT...conjectures?
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious and Sifo Dyas
Post by: SilverZ on November 4, 2004, 12:29 AM
I like the look here, certainly it's not consistent with ROTJ, but it's not consistent with TPM or AOTC Sidious either. There has to be something revealed in ROTS about his "veiling" that also explains this look, me thinks.

Maybe he's somehow concealed his appearance (or non-hideousness) as Senator/Chancelor Palpatine in a way that maybe he still does to some extent in the OT.

Then again maybe it's just artistic license to make him freakin' scary for this scene. It sure looks psychotic. Love it.
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious and Sifo Dyas
Post by: Scott on November 4, 2004, 09:49 AM
Hmm, perhaps my original thought that Sidious is using the Dark Side to alter his appearance OR is a shape shifter is right.
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious and Sifo Dyas
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on November 4, 2004, 10:06 AM
Well, we never see Palps with his mouth open like that in ROTJ, so its possible that's what Ian McDiarmid looks like with his mouth open wide and fake rotten teeth in. He did have the creepy teeth in ROTJ, remember. They always freaked me out as a kid.
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious and Sifo Dyas
Post by: Scott on November 4, 2004, 10:15 AM
Right, the teeth match ROTS to ROTJ, I guess I'm not sure if we have seen him mouth Wide Open about take a bite out of a Tauntaun Burger or not
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious and Sifo Dyas
Post by: Jim on November 4, 2004, 10:25 AM
Shape Shifter or uses dark side to conceal his true appearance.  Is it possible that Palpatine is a clone of Sidous?
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious and Sifo Dyas
Post by: Scott on November 4, 2004, 10:31 AM
That is a pretty common idea Jim and I guess its plausible.  I'm not sure how that will work in the reveal though...I've read some spoilerish rumors that point my way too but nothing concrete
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious and Sifo Dyas
Post by: Scott on November 4, 2004, 02:19 PM
Now that I see the scene over and over again I'm even more confused.  Perhaps the Darkside alters your appearance in and of itself (explains Anakin's eyes)  But the teeth and face, he seems like a Vampire
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious and Sifo Dyas
Post by: SilverZ on November 4, 2004, 02:26 PM
You know, I don't know what's up with that Anakin Darth Maul eyes thing, becuase that shot looks like the Mustafar conference room, with the row of chairs behind him. Then, during the duel shots, his eyes are normal. I wonder if that evil eyes thing is just for the trailer, sort of a "look, he's evil, stupids" type thing.

Now with the real trailer you can see the Sidous face a lot better, and to me it looks a lot closer to the ROTJ makeup. He has all the wrinkles around his eyes and the promininent ridgeling on his brow. Works for me.
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious and Sifo Dyas
Post by: Scott on November 4, 2004, 02:29 PM
I guess it boils down to we never see Palpatine's teeth clearly so maybe I'm reading too much into it
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious and Sifo Dyas
Post by: Famine on November 4, 2004, 03:39 PM
(http://kevvo.250free.com/mysterious.JPG)

Does that help any?

Kevin
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious and Sifo Dyas
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on November 5, 2004, 11:14 AM
It kind of looks like Sidious is wearing brown robes...uh oh, not another costume color debate!
Title: A friends Theory...
Post by: Famine on November 18, 2004, 01:36 PM
My friend Armothe posted a theory on another forum about Palpetine/Sidious

"I believe they are two different people. I think Darth Sidious is the original, ancient sith lord and Palpatine is a mere clone of him.

This would explain why neither Yoda or Mace could detect "evil" when they were all at Qui Gon's funeral on Naboo in E1.

This allows Sidious to execute his evil plans undetected."

What are yout thoughts on this?

I sort of agree with him.
Title: Re: A friends Theory...
Post by: jokabofe on November 18, 2004, 10:37 PM
Interesting theory... but I still say the reason Yoda can't detect that Sidious is evil is because Mace - who is also evil - is shielding Sidious/Palpatine's evil (as well as his own) from Yoda and the rest of the Jedi. If you watch through Episode 2, there isn't a single time that Yoda is near Palpatine that Mace is not there as well.
Title: Re: A friends Theory...
Post by: SilverZ on November 19, 2004, 02:53 AM
I do like the clone theory. Your friend has a good spin on it.

But for me, I'm in this camp: It's the shroud of the darkside. Clouds everything. Even Palpatine's true visiage. When he raises the shroud, BOOM, Austin Powers teeth for all to see. Same guy, I say.  :)
Title: Re: A friends Theory...
Post by: Scott on November 19, 2004, 09:53 AM
I'm falling more in the Shroud of the Darkside camp as well...perhaps I should merge this in the Sidious/Palps thread as well
Title: Re: Palpatine and Sidious and Sifo Dyas
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 8, 2005, 10:01 PM
It kind of looks like Sidious is wearing brown robes...uh oh, not another costume color debate!

Han's coat was blue on Hoth!!!

 :-X