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Offline Morgbug

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Farewell to the old barn.....or....
« on: October 31, 2004, 01:58 AM »
The ramblings of a drunken fool.  Fair first warning, it's not too late to back out.  Go now, before boredom sets in. 

Still here?  Huh, amazing. 

Alright then, second warning.  It's post-midnight here and I just came home from a concert and a bout of drinking.  Stay if you like, but be warned, I'll likely regret posting this in the morning or at the very least be embarassed.  Carry on if you are brave. 

1. The old barn is the old Winnipeg Arena, former home to the Winnipeg Jets of WHA/NHL fame. 

2. The concert was the Van Halen concert, the last major concert at the venue listed in #1. 

So, here I sit, about to type this post/thread, rusty nail (Johnny Walker black and drambuie) and Granville Island Lager at my side.  I'll sleep soundly when this is done, the refreshments will only assist the earlier imbibations in achieving that goal.   I won't wake up nearly so happy, but my hearing certainly will not be intact.  This is your last warning, go away now, if you so choose. 

If not, carry on. 

I have lived in Winnipeg my whole life.  Born, raised and still living here.  As such, the Winnipeg Arena has seemingly played a role in my life.  Not dissimilar to any arena in any other city in North America, it has been host to WHA and NHL hockey; host to concerts of all colour and stripe; WWE (F) wrestling; world curling championships ::); world cup of hockey; world junior hockey.  It is, quite simply put,  a storied old building; not as famous as Boston Garden or the Montreal Forum, or any building of similar age and ilk, but still, it remains a trusted old friend. 

It closes its doors in about a week from now. 

We still have AHL hockey in the form of the Winnipeg Moose.  It's not at all the same as the glory days of the WHA or the fun days of the NHL and the drawing power of the league simply isn't there: they draw maybe 8000 fans a game, pretty pitiful really.  In the NHL days, they drew 12,000+ fans, even in years in which we won only 9 games total in a season.  Pathetic in the scheme of the NHL, but truly a hockey town.  Bitterness towards the departure of the NHL (and Bettman, general peckerhead) remain and impact the attendance of the subsequent team.  That team will move to the new MTS centre, a building that seats about 16,000 with great seats, good site lines and reasonable prices.  Generally speaking, it's a much better building. 

From a concert venue standpoint, it is likely to draw bigger names, more frequently, in a building with better acoustics.  This should lead to more and better concerts.  So all in all, it's a good thing. 

But I can't help feeling sad.   :-\

I don't remember the first time I went to the Winnipeg arena, probably sometime back around 1972 or so, before many of you were even alive, but pegging me at the wise old age of 8.  One of the most memorable hockey games I attended was on my 10th birthday, Quebec Nordiques versus the Winnipeg Jets.  IIRC, both teams sucked for the most part, but I was in my heyday of Canadian boyhood, playing hockey and madly, passionately in love with the game.  The game that evening was attended by my dad and I and I believe the Jets won it about 6-4.  It was not notable in the grand scheme of things, with the exception of the fact that the game took better than four hours to play.  Barbaric to say the least, well over 300 penalty minutes were assessed and the duration of the game was a dream come true to a 10 year old.  I didn't get to bed until probably 11 PM.  The next day I revelled in the fact that the game was high scoring, full of fights (eh?) and I got to stay up super late. 

Many more hockey memories were fostered during the tenure of the old building:  multiple Avco cup trophy wins - Hull, Nilsson, Hedberg; entry into the NHL (finally); Hawerchuk being an amazing player; Jets finish 4th overall, only to lose to the Oilers in the first round (Edmonton finished 1st, Calgary 2nd overall); Selanne's amazing year; the whiteouts that have never been matched; the last regular season game; losing to Detroit in game six of the first round in 1996, a game that never should have happened. 


Concerts were another critical part of my life.  My first concert was around 1976, Alice Cooper's Welcome to My Nightmare tour.  I'm pretty sure my parents didn't know about this one, or they would have put the kibosh on it pretty damn quickly.   Later, early concerts included Nazareth, Styx, CCR and more.  All in all, I saw probably over 100 concerts in the old building.  AS mentioned earlier, the acoustics, to put it mildly, sucked ****.  It was, literally built as a barn, adapted to a hockey rink and made into a concert venue for lack of another suitable sized venue.  Numerous bands refused to tour through Winnipeg because of the ****** sound and sight lines.  Money was there to be made, but they didn't like the venue so didn't come. 

I saw Alice Cooper, Nazareth, Golden Earring, Kick Axe, Quiet Riot (booed off the stage at the height of their popularity - the crowd came to see Whitesnake and a local band, Kick Axe); Motley Crue; Black Crowes (Guns & Roses was the opening act, back in 1986 :o); Styx (Paradise Theatre tour for you old farts); Scorpions (4 x); Iron Maiden 4x - once backing up the Scorpions); Judas Priest (4x); KISS (saw every show); Van Halen (3x); Ozzy Osbourne (3x - both the loudest and the lamest show in terms of volume); Metallica (2x) and so very many more.  Drunkeness and drugs were a part of the culture of the Winnipeg Arena.  Just a fact of life.  I have every ticket stub for every show I attended there.  The list above is pale in comparison to whom I have seen.

I left a University Exam early to see Twisted Sister open up for Iron Maiden :-[;  I passed out during a ZZ Top encore, after being up for 38 + hours pulling an all nighter studying for exams.  My girlfriend (at the time) threw up all over the side of the car following an Alice Cooper concert. 

Alice Cooper has played a pivotal role in my concert going history.  It was my first concert at the Arena, or anywhere else for that matter.   The second time I saw him, the girlfriend blew chunks on the car.  The last time, some few months ago, ironically I had the opportunity to meet with Alice after the show and have his autograph (and yes, a picture) to prove it.  I was sorely tempted to leave the history at that - first and last concert being Alice Cooper.  It may not scare anyone these days, but he did in the day and I appreciate him for it. 

Van Halen was a suitable follow up for the last concert though, and ended the symmetry of seeing Alice, first and last.  The show, while not spectacular, was good.  Sammy Hagar was entertaining; Eddie can still play the guitar like so few others.  The show was loud, energetic and well received.  After the lights came up, Green Day's Time of our Life was playing, the last song I'll ever hear in that building - fitting, ironic and sappy all at once. 

The truly lasting memory I'll have of that building is of the bathrooms though.  Not sure how many places in the sporting universe have trough systems rather than individual urinals though.  In a wave of personal privacy lost forever, at some point in the distant past, some Einstein decided that the human male's need to urinate would easily overpower the need for privacy.  As a result, individual urinals were never installed for the men's bathrooms.  Instead, a long and large "trough" was put in, allowing as many males as could comfortably stand astride one another do so.  They would urinate on the wall, draining into said trough, fed by a constant stream of flush water.  This is an innovation that will never be repeated.  There has never and will never be a line for the men's washroom at the Winnipeg Arena.  Tonight, for example, during the opening act, we stood in the outer area drinking beer and subsequently needed to use the facilities (i.e. trough).  We walked a short ways, passed the lineup for the women's washroom, did our duty and returned to find the women's line had not moved an inch.  Clearly the designers of said facility had drunken men in mind.  A more practical and politically uncorrect decision shall never be made again. 

Anyhoo, if you made it this far, bravo.  Thanks for your attention.  I had need to "verbalize" a fond memory fueled by alcoholic consumption.  Carry on. :) ;)
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Re: Farewell to the old barn.....or....
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2004, 01:07 AM »
mmmmmm...........Winnipeg Moose.

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Re: Farewell to the old barn.....or....
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2004, 03:12 AM »
People felt the same way when 3-Rivers Stadium was blown up to make way for PNC park and Heinz Field.

I mean, tons of championship years played there.  Time marches on though, and in the end it's for the best.  I long for the day the Pens get a new arena here because it A) Solidifies the team, and B) it means something NEW to our city that time forgot.

I love "The Igloo" though...  I know it like the back of my hand.  A new place added to the skyline would be nice though, just because it'd be good for the city.

And if they pull off anything as nice as PNC park, I'd be ecstatic.  It's a great park for a horrid team.  :)
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Re: Farewell to the old barn.....or....
« Reply #3 on: November 5, 2004, 03:07 AM »
Morgbug, I feel your pain with the loss of two sporting venues that are in the annals of North American sporting history, the Chicago Stadium and the original Comiskey Park. In 1994, the Chicago Stadium which we also called the Old Barn, because it was truly designed to look like a really big barn closed its doors. The Chicago Stadium opened its doors in 1929 as the home for the Blackhawks and would go onto be the home of the NBA's Bulls. It would host NHL, NFL, NBA, Soccer, Boxing, and Wrestling World champiionship events in its 65 year history and would have some extremely memorable non-sporting events roll thru such as the political conventions, Elvis, rodeos, Ringling Bros. circus and so on.

As an 8 year old kid I had the chance to goto a Bulls game in 1986 (thanx to some free tix from my dad's boss) following the return from injury of the greatest athlete of all time Michael Jordan. While an exciting moment for me, the one thing I wanted to do was see the Blackhawks live. I didn't get the chance to do that until April of 1994 when I would go to the 3rd to last regular season home game for the Blackhawks as they would defeat their rival St. Louis Blues. Sitting in a cramped corner of the Stadium, seeing my first hockey game was a thrilling moment for me and a sobering one for my dad who took me to the game. In the 60's and 70's when guys like Hull, Mikita, Hall, and Esposito played for the Hawks, he and my grandfather had season tickets at center ice, and only now in it's dying days could he take me to a game.

We had a blast that night, as I was all decked out in my Hawks road jersey for #27 Jeremy Roenick and Hawks ballcap and I remember running all around the Stadium trying to look at every nook and cranny, looking for the infamous rats, trying to peek into the lockerroom and of course taking a leak in the troughs in the bathroom (something that still exists at Wrigley Field). Then the national anthem started, and if you've ever seen the 1991 All-Star game, you know that the national anthem at the Chicago Stadium was an event unto itself and the goose bumps formed down my arms. Sadly, I would find out later that I bore witness to the last grand affair of the anthem as singer Wayne Messmer was shot in the throat later that night following the game. Wayne would never get a chance to sing the anthem again at the old Stadium or for the Blackhawks, though he does sing for the AHL's Wolves (a team he has ownership in) and does so as great as he did a decade ago. The game was of course exciting in it's own right, the Hawks beat the Blues and the raucous crowd had much to cheer about.

Being at the Chicago Stadium for that game in 94 is a fond memory I will carry with me to my grave. I still occassionally wear a t-shirt I bought that night commemorating the "Remember The Roar" campaign that honored the Stadium. The shirt is all worn down and probably is a size too small for me, but it's still nice to wear it and think back. One thing to be thankful for the NHL's lockout this year is that the newest sports station added to our cable lineup which would normally air the Hawks road games (they still will not show home games on TV, Bill Wirtz must die before that can happen), has been showing classic Hawks games from the early 90's every Thursday night. Tonight they aired game 4 of the 1992 Campbell Conference Semi-Finals where the Hawks defeated the vile Detroit Red Wings 1-0 to sweep the Wings out of the playoffs, a home game which was aired due to a failed pay per view experiment. That would be the year the Hawks made it to the Stanley Cup finals only to lose to JJ's Penguins, it would also mark the 3rd time in 4 seasons that the Hawks would reach the Conference finals. They would go onto do it 2 more times in the next 3 seasons for a whopping 5 out of 7 Conf final appearances. Then they would go on to have only 2 playoff appearances in the next 9 seasons. It's great to be able to relive those memories from the Old Barn just as if it was yesterday.....
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Re: Farewell to the old barn.....or....
« Reply #4 on: November 5, 2004, 05:16 PM »
Morgbug,

I'll add my condolences to your loss... and a little crass animation as well. The biggest shame is the computer rendering I saw online of the replacement building - Yucky!

"Farewell to the old barn... or OUT WITH THE OLD!!!"

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Re: Farewell to the old barn.....or....
« Reply #5 on: November 5, 2004, 05:33 PM »
BWHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHA!


Erm...

Haha.

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Re: Farewell to the old barn.....or....
« Reply #6 on: November 6, 2004, 01:29 AM »
BWHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHA!


Erm...

Haha.

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Re: Farewell to the old barn.....or....
« Reply #7 on: November 6, 2004, 12:38 PM »
Your darn tootin'!

;)

That's a mighty striper right there.

I should take you guys striper fishing out on the Hudson.


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Re: Farewell to the old barn.....or....
« Reply #8 on: November 6, 2004, 09:33 PM »
My condolences. I felt the same way when Tiger Stadium in Detroit closed in '99. I was there for the final game.
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