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Title: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Jeff on June 22, 2015, 05:22 PM
Ewan McGregor Wants to Jump Back Into 'Star Wars' (https://www.yahoo.com/movies/ewan-mcgregor-wants-to-be-obi-wan-kenobi-again-122173438742.html)

Proving once again that everyone loves money.  Or hates George Lucas.  One of those, I guess.  :-X


**adding spoilers to the title as some of the casting will spoil characters appearing in the series...
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Nicklab on June 22, 2015, 05:59 PM
I read that earlier this afternoon.  I think it would be interesting to explore Obi-Wan Kenobi's story after the events of Revenge Of The Sith.  And I think Ewan McGregor is a really good actor, too.  In fact, I just finished watching his documentary series "Long Way Round" that he filmed shortly after production for Revenge Of The Sith wrapped production.

I think there have been times where it's been cool to hate on Star Wars.  But I think in the case of Ewan McGregor he went into the experience of making the prequels with the expectation that it would be like the OT with these fantastic sets.  But the reality of making the PT was that a lot of the work was done in front of blue and green screens.  From the perspective of an actor I can imagine that could be a little demoralizing.  You're expecting to be able to immerse yourself in this otherworldly place that informs your performance, but then you're standing on some decorative floor with a bunch of green screens around you.

The approach that J.J. Abrams is taking with the practical effects and sets have to be a much more enticing situation for the actors.  Mark Hamill went into this saying that he would be far more interested if the sequel trilogy films incorporated physical sets and practical effects.  And now these actors get to immerse themselves in the world of Star Wars as they might have hoped to when they saw the original films.  Plus, in the case of Obi-Wan Kenobi?  There are rumors that there are echoes of his past that pop up in the new Sequel Trilogy.  And some discussions have even gone so far as to mention a resolution to the Darth Maul story arc in just such a project.  Perhaps something that even draws from that Visionaries graphic novel.  So I think a Star Wars Anthology film that follows Obi-Wan Kenobi might resonate further than the one individual film.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: JediJman on June 23, 2015, 10:40 AM
I also think its just human nature to get nostalgic about past events.  in most cases, age dulls the bitterness of the present and leaves you with mostly good memories of past successes.  Obiwan and Palps were the only two characters showing any life in the prequels...not surprising that people would want Ewan back for more.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Phrubruh on June 24, 2015, 09:26 AM
I recently rewatched TPM and noticed that it had the most physical sets of the three while the other two where basically cartoons. Most of the aliens were people in masks. McGregor didn't have a lot to do in that movie and his scenes were mostly CG.

If they did make a one off movie with Obiwan in it, they should go with a young version of him and use James Arnold Taylor. He does Obiwan better than McGregor does anyway.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Dave on July 8, 2015, 01:56 PM
There is certainly the possibility that the graphic could be bogus.  But with the rumors of Ewan McGregor returning for an Obi-Wan film and previous rumors of Boba Fett being involved in an anthology film?  It gives you the sense that this could be legit.

This is the first I've heard of a Kenobi film.  Is that just someone trolling, informed speculation, or confirmed?

I'd love to see some Ewan as Kenobi, interacting with Yoda, and taking out an Inquisitor or two.  Heck, maybe even interacting with Ashoka.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Jesse James on July 8, 2015, 02:02 PM
It's a film rumor, but nothing confirmed.

That's been outed as fake, so I'd guess it's just someone running with that character's name coming up again and again is all.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Nicklab on July 9, 2015, 09:56 AM
There is certainly the possibility that the graphic could be bogus.  But with the rumors of Ewan McGregor returning for an Obi-Wan film and previous rumors of Boba Fett being involved in an anthology film?  It gives you the sense that this could be legit.

This is the first I've heard of a Kenobi film.  Is that just someone trolling, informed speculation, or confirmed?

I'd love to see some Ewan as Kenobi, interacting with Yoda, and taking out an Inquisitor or two.  Heck, maybe even interacting with Ashoka.

Ewan McGregor has expressed on multiple occasions his interest in doing an Obi-Wan Kenobi anthology film.  He said as much recently in a Hollywood Reporter article (https://www.yahoo.com/movies/ewan-mcgregor-wants-to-be-obi-wan-kenobi-again-122173438742.html) that ran on June 22nd.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Jeff on July 9, 2015, 10:42 AM
I'm kinda torn on Kenobi.  On one hand, I'd like to see Ewan reprise the role for a new movie about old Ben...  but on the other hand, what does he do?

I've always kind of imagined he just lived out his days in the desert, studying Jedi stuff and watching over Luke.  I just assumed he never really did much because why would he? 
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Nicklab on July 9, 2015, 11:21 AM
I think Ewan was a great PT Obi-Wan.  He captured the essence of what Alec Guiness made of the character in the OT.  As for what he does during his exile?

-He seems to know a lot about Mos Eisley.  He said as much to Luke in ANH, that "You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy".  And when it came to the Cantina?  He offered up "Most of the best star pilots can be found here.  But watch your step.  This place can be a little rough".  So has Obi-Wan actually travelled off of Tatooine between the events of Episodes 3 and 4?  His knowledge of the pilots who frequent the Cantina seems to indicate that he may have employed their services at some point in time.

-There's a rumor related to Obi-Wan Kenobi that's emerged in spoilers for THE FORCE AWAKENS.  And some backstory for that rumor might be in order to flesh out that story.

-Obi-Wan seems to have been watching out for Luke during his exile.  What has that entailed?  Has he been on the lookout for any Imperials that might be searching?  An Inquisitor?  Tusken Raiders?  And Obi-Wan has definitely earned the disdain of Owen Lars.  Just handing off a newborn to a couple doesn't necessarily earn you the title of "crazy old man" without some backstory.

-Yoda said that he had training for Obi-Wan during his exile on Tatooine.  So will we see Obi-Wan in his hut, meditating, learning the secrets of becoming One with The Force?  Or even communicating with Yoda via The Force?  It doesn't seem to be the stuff of an sci-fi/fantasy adventure, but it's a plot point worth exploring.

-There's also the dangling Darth Maul survival plot point that's carried over from THE CLONE WARS.  The comic limited series didn't bring that storyline to a complete close.


I think there's the material there to make a film.  But it's in a somewhat unenviable position of having to touch on what may be some very specific plot points.  And I think that was one of the pitfalls of the prequels, where all of these very particular events needed to be addressed.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: P-Siddy on July 9, 2015, 11:22 AM
I've always kind of imagined he just lived out his days in the desert, studying Jedi stuff and watching over Luke.  I just assumed he never really did much because why would he?

Exactly.  I doubt he'd leave Tatooine to fight an Inquisitor.  And if he's fighting Inquisitors on Tatooine, that would ring bells that Tatooine is a hot spot for Jedi activity.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Darby on July 9, 2015, 11:44 AM
There's enormous potential for an Obi-Wan movie (or movies). It's unrealistic he stayed in his hut for 20 years and did nothing, especially with him being a foundational member of the nascent rebellion. As others have mentioned, we know from the films that Obi has a somewhat active history on Tatooine: he has familiarity with Mos Eisley (a spaceport, what's he doing there if he's not going anywhere?), he has a contentious relationship with Uncle Owen, and he has some experience with Tusken Raiders. There could be a little or a lot there for a movie depending on how you approach it.

Most importantly, there are two outstanding items I think make for potential stories. Darth Maul is one, as has been mentioned; with his resurrection being canon and his story unresolved at the end of CW, there's some possibility there.

Most of all, Vader. At the end of ROTS, Obi-Wan leaves Anakin for dead. He has no reason to believe he survived. In ANH, Obi-Wan knows who Vader is. How? If he sat in his hut for 20 years and did nothing, there's no way he could know. Clearly they had a subsequent encounter between films that explains this. How you navigate that and maintain Luke's secrecy is the story. Obviously, Obi-Wan leaves Tatooine for some reason at some point, and in the course of that runs into Vader.

I loved Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan. Definitely the best thing about the PT. I'd love to see him again.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: P-Siddy on July 9, 2015, 12:36 PM
Not necessarily that .  Obi-wan could have learned information about Vader from the holonet or information from smugglers or Asohka.  Anakin was already known as Vader on Mustafar.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Jeff on July 9, 2015, 12:50 PM
In ANH, Obi-Wan knows who Vader is. How?

It's been a while since I watched ROTS, but I'm pretty sure Yoda says something about Anakin being consumed by "Darth Vader" in the Jedi Temple video room?  Right after they watch the temple security video/holo of Palps and Anakin/Vader at the temple... 

I could buy that he would be surprised to find out Anakin/Vader lived, but I thought he knew Anakin=Vader from the Jedi Temple stuff.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: P-Siddy on July 9, 2015, 01:46 PM
In that temple scene, Palpatine uses "Lord Vader" to address Anakin, doesn't he?
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Darby on July 9, 2015, 02:13 PM
Taking he knows vader=anakin as a given he still doesn't know he's alive.  You can't let a narrative goldmine like his finding out go to a phone call. Especially with Disney looking to mine the franchise for all its worth.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: P-Siddy on July 9, 2015, 02:36 PM
I get what your saying about it from a story standpoint, but I'd find it hard to believe that Tatooine would be devoid of any news after the fall of the Republic.  I would think the propaganda machine would be working overtime for any citizen to report on any Jedi that have fled and gone underground... and I would think that an image of the Emperor's Right Hand man would be menacing enough to strike fear into the heart of anyone and there'd be rumors going around of a man in black with his helmet and breathing that goes by the name Vader making it to all parts of the galaxy.

I guess that's why when Vader says that he sense a presence he hasn't felt since... I always took it to mean Ben and that their last encounter was on Mustafar.... (the whole master and apprentice conversation during their duel) otherwise, if Vader and Kenobi face off again, then somehow Ben 'wins' again and escapes, it'll make Vader look poorly as a Sith. 

But of course, Vader would know that Ben is still alive, so I would think he'd be looking for him for revenge... so... I don't know.  It's tough since the writers are already painted in a corner with pre-existing storylines (like the prequels)... if they go this route.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Darby on July 9, 2015, 03:36 PM
Fair points. I don't know - and it could be my memory failing me here - how 'known' Vader is to the general public. That being said, it's conceivable Obi-Wan in his seclusion would be unaware of a lot of what is going on out there in the galaxy. And your earlier point about Ahsoka - that's fair with her being in play now as far as the Rebels era. With Ahsoka having learned the truth (apparently) about Anakin, it's a hop skip and a jump to her relaying this to Obi-Wan, though one must assume she doesn't know where he is.

As far as Vader being diminished by another bout with Obi-Wan, I understand where you're coming from with that for sure, but I think a fight in which Obi escapes with his life just barely only reinforces Vader. After seeing a cartoon glimpse of Vader demolishing the Rebels crew, I'd be thrilled to watch the real deal demolish a little past his prime Obi-Wan who may think he's got a step on an older, damaged Anakin. It would be fan service for sure (or heresy for some) but it's one of those questions hanging between films begging for an answer. Obi-Wan finding out is huge; him finding out without the two of them locking horns again would be disappointing and unrealistic. Though not without pitfalls for sure.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Dave on July 9, 2015, 03:52 PM
I would prefer there is no Obi-Wan / Vader confrontation.

I like the fact that he has been hiding under the radar protecting Luke (and Leia?).  And when they run in to each other at the Death Star its the first time they've actually encountered each other since Mustafar.

He would only come out of hiding for important issues.  Maybe if Luke/Leia are in danger.  Maybe he could develop a way to hide his presence from Vader/Emperor and while going on covert rebel missions slip out unseen just as Vader arrives.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Jesse James on July 9, 2015, 06:05 PM
Well, within the Empire itself, Vader seems obviously very well known throughout the trilogy...  Everyone from Admirals down to lowly ensigns seem to know not to piss him off at least.

Now, galaxy-wide, who knows, but I've always figured the Empire was pretty significant around the Galaxy, and thus I'd think Vader is a topic people bring up.  I don't know that many (beyond Palps/Tarkin) know Vader is who he was though.  Tarkin seems to know little of Palpatine's ultimate background even.

I like to think though, that Vader's a pretty known guy.  Consider this...  Lando even seems to know how to address him properly ("Lord Vader" and all that jazz), and he's just a guy running a mining town out in the galaxy.  One of possibly literally millions or even billions (or more?) type places.  Fett knows this title to address him by as well.

All little stuff, and drifting off topic some, but ultimately then I believe Kenobi's well aware of Vader and who he is, personally.  I think Vader has a reputation he's built up.  He's maybe more infamous than famous?
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Nicklab on July 9, 2015, 06:59 PM
I think there's the possibility that Obi-Wan knows of Vader because he knows that Darth Vader has been hunting the Jedi.  Yes, Obi-Wan came across the security recordings of Vader attacking the Jedi Temple as part of Order 66, complete with Vader killing Jedi.  But Obi-Wan spoke to Luke in his hut about Vader as if he knew more:

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A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi knights. He betrayed and murdered your father. Now the Jedi are all but extinct. Vader was seduced by the dark side of the Force.

So has Obi-Wan learned of Vader's hunt from other Jedi in hiding?  Or is it more publically known?  Does the Empire have some sort of standing bounty on the Jedi?  And is Darth Vader the face of this galactic manhunt?
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Matt_Fury on July 9, 2015, 11:18 PM
Obi-Wan knows that Anakin survived and the armored figure being called Darth Vader is him because Qui-Gonn tells him.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Nicklab on April 14, 2016, 02:04 PM
I was watching Collider's Jedi Council on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzX5DMgA48Y&t=4092s) last night, and the topic of an Obi-Wan Kenobi anthology film came up.  And two of the guests on the panel were Freddie Prinze Jr. (Kanan on REBELS) and Sam Witwer (Emporer Palpatine and Maul on REBELS).  Both voice actors are pretty tapped in to what's going on at Lucasfilm, despite the fact that they can't discuss anything about their show.  However, Freddie Prinze Jr. did offer that some 30+ scripts have been pitched to Lucasfilm/Disney about Obi-Wan Kenobi during his years in exile on Tatooine.  Frankly, I was shocked to hear that just that many concepts had been pitched!

What also came up is that Ewan McGregor has met with Kathleen Kennedy (http://collider.com/star-wars-ewan-mcgregor-obi-wan-spinoff/), the head of Lucasfilm about the project.  And he has also expressed an interest in working on the project with a director he has worked with in the past.  When I heard that, I instantly thought of Danny Boyle.  And if that were to happen, I would be most interested in the direction of that project!
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Darby on April 18, 2016, 08:09 PM
I'd be over the moon for a Danny Boyle Obi-Wan movie, or really any Obi-Wan movie. 30+ pitches... in a way I'm not surprised. This is probably the most pitch ready movie of all when it comes to these anthology movies.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Jeff on August 17, 2017, 03:18 PM
Rumor for now, but Hollywood Reporter (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/obi-wan-kenobi-star-wars-film-planned-director-talks-1030505[/url) is claiming that Stephen Daldry is in early talks to direct a Star Wars standalone movie centering on Obi-Wan Kenobi.

There have been so many "Ewan wants to be Kenobi again" stories, that I wonder if he would do it... I supposed that depends on how old/young Obi-Wan is in the movie, obviously.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Dave on August 17, 2017, 04:56 PM
Maybe its just me, but I don't think there is any reason to do an Obi-Wan Kenobi movie without Ewan.

I loved Ewan as Obi-Wan, but don't fundamentally find the Obi-Wan character or story line all that unique / interesting.  I don't care how good the script is, I don't think I would be at all interested in an Obi-Wan reboot / recasting.

If they had a script that needed a Jedi in the OT time frame and couldn't make it a Kenobi/Ewan story, I would rather they create an all new Jedi (like Kanan) and tell a story around that character.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: JediJman on August 17, 2017, 06:03 PM
I think they would have to use Ewan and focus on the timeline between E3 and E4.  He's already fairly young in TPM, so I think they would need to recast him if they went the Young Obi-Wan route.  Not a fan of that. 
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Scockery on August 17, 2017, 08:11 PM
They'll make this as they continue re-filming A NEW HOPE, like they are secretly are with the Han Solo prequel. Gradually piece together Episode 4 from a few stand alone movies.

That's what I would do. LOL.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Jesse James on August 17, 2017, 08:21 PM
I thot there was an interview with EM that he said he'd be interested in it?
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Darby on August 17, 2017, 08:39 PM
McGregor has been pretty vocal that he'd come back, so the idea he's unattached at this point is odd. He might just be waiting for a script. I'm all about an Obi Wan movie. Can't wait.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: McMetal on August 17, 2017, 11:09 PM
Yeah, if they bring Ewan back I think this could be really good.

I could see it taking place post ROTS too, dude couldn't have just sat in a hut for 20 years.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 19, 2017, 12:07 PM
I think it would be a movie with potential, but Disney/Lucasfilm needs to get away from the main characters with the anthology movies.

Give me the Magnificent Seven told with Jedi that survived order 66!  There's an entire galaxy to explore, but they can't get away from the main character.

I would rather have a dozen Rogue One type movies than the Han Solo movie, or even an Obi-Wan movie.  Their stories have been told.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Scockery on August 19, 2017, 10:48 PM
Han Solo sequel guaranteed. It'll be Magnificent Seven. They'll pretend they aren't copying the old Marvel comics and replace FAN FAVORITE JAXXON with some silly alien, and Antonie Fuqua, who has made that type of movie at least 3 times, could be hired to direct then fired and replaced with...Brett Ratner or someone.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Jeff on May 10, 2018, 02:09 PM
First there were rumors that Ewan McGregor would be on the red carpet for tonight's Solo premiere...

Then this Kenobi Pre-production blurb from FanthaTracks (https://www.fanthatracks.com/news/film-music-tv/exclusive-obi-wan-kenobi-movie-in-pre-production-filming-scheduled-for-spring-2019/)... 

Official Announcement coming soon or fake news?

Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Jesse James on May 10, 2018, 11:58 PM
OWK: The Reckoning

An ďExpendables styleĒ film where OWK gets all these semi retired Rogue Jedi together and they hand the galaxy itís ass.  Dolph Lundgren plays Kit Fister, Kit Fistoís you get brother.  Jason Statham plays bald Jedi who just kills people and doesnít say much.  And much like Peter Cushing being digitally put into Rogue One, Charles Bronson is digitally added in as a Jedi who says even less than Stathamís Jedi and he seriously just kills everyone.

Oh and Mace Windu is back because we never saw a body and I wanna revive that conspiracy theory from the PT days.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off Rumors - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Post by: Nicklab on May 11, 2018, 07:26 AM
I saw this circulating again, too.  Seeing how the rumor has kept going for what, 3 years now?  It seems really clear that this project has been in development for some time.  And I think that they have been deliberately taking their time to develop projects the right way, despite Bob Iger stating that Disney wants to release a new Star Wars film ever yet.

I think in this case Lucasfilm wants to keep the Obi-Wan project under wraps until they're absolutely ready to go public about it.  In large part because I think they're trying to right the ship.  There was a somewhat polarized reaction to THE LAST JEDI.  They had to bring in a second director to re-shape ROGUE ONE, which we only learned long after the fact.  They had two successive projects that had director changes in varying stages of production (Solo and Episode 9).  And on top of that there was the Josh Trank/Boba Fett debacle where that project got shelved. I think Lucasfilm is being a bit more guarded given that track record.
Title: Disney Announces ObiWan Kenobi show on Disney Plus
Post by: Jesse James on August 23, 2019, 10:20 PM
https://www.facebook.com/169299103121699/posts/2616008188450766?s=100002787353855&sfns=mo

Starring Ewan ďHello thereĒ McGregor anínat. 

Also a friend noted on the timeline shown at D23, Solo spans years on it. 😶
Title: Re: Disney Announces ObiWan Kenobi show on Disney Plus
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 24, 2019, 12:41 AM
As long as Obi-Wan stays on Tatooine, Iím happy to watch!
Title: Re: Disney Announces ObiWan Kenobi show on Disney Plus
Post by: McMetal on August 24, 2019, 02:13 AM
I just hope he rolls around from town to town in a tricked out green landspeeder solving mysteries... :D
Title: Re: Disney Announces ObiWan Kenobi show on Disney Plus
Post by: Dave on August 24, 2019, 03:32 PM
Ewan as Obi-Wan was fantastic.  I'm looking forward to this.

Honestly, I'm more interested in seeing well done "TV shows" than more movies. 
Title: Re: Disney Announces ObiWan Kenobi show on Disney Plus
Post by: Jesse James on August 24, 2019, 11:20 PM
Think you can tell a lot more on a format like this than a film so Iím excited.  Ewan was the best PT actor too so glad to see him doing this.  Heís not exactly needing the work or anything.
Title: Re: Disney Announces ObiWan Kenobi show on Disney Plus
Post by: Muftak on August 24, 2019, 11:28 PM
Because I am never satisfied, as soon as this was confirmed I started wishing and hoping for an appearance by Liam Neeson from time to time as the Ghost of Qui-Gon.
Title: Re: Disney Announces ObiWan Kenobi show on Disney Plus
Post by: Muftak on August 24, 2019, 11:34 PM
Also a friend noted on the timeline shown at D23, Solo spans years on it. 😶

It should:

(https://i2.wp.com/caps.pictures/201/8-solo/full/solo-movie-screencaps.com-1603.jpg?strip=all)
Title: Re: Disney Announces ObiWan Kenobi show on Disney Plus
Post by: Jesse James on August 26, 2019, 02:40 AM
Good point, I forgot the big gap at the films beginning.

Still I think thereís hope with the Kenobi series ultimately having a quasi-tie to the end of Solo sort of.  I wonder if that was the plan all along.  Iíd love to see the Solo sequel in whatever format at this point.
Title: Re: Disney Announces ObiWan Kenobi show on Disney Plus
Post by: Dave on August 26, 2019, 11:56 AM
I'd love to see Solo become a weekly series on Disney + as well.

I think the mini-adventures that Han and Chewie could go on would be fantastic in this format.

Looking at IMDB it doesn't look like Alden Ehrenreich is very busy either.
Title: Re: Disney Announces ObiWan Kenobi show on Disney Plus
Post by: Jesse James on August 27, 2019, 01:51 AM
Iíve been impressed with their ability to get the actual actors to reprise roles so easily.  If Iím getting D+ old be interested in almost anything g they try. 
Title: Re: Disney Announces ObiWan Kenobi show on Disney Plus
Post by: Nicklab on August 27, 2019, 10:56 AM
I was glad to see this news come out while I was on vacation.  Ewan McGregor did an excellent job developing the Obi-Wan Kenobi character through the prequels, and I'm excited to see his take on Obi-Wan becoming Ben Kenobi.  I'm also hopeful that Joel Edgerton will be signing on to reprise his role as Owen Lars.  They cast a solid actor for the role in AOTC and ROTS, and having him return for this series would provide some excellent connective tissue so that when Phil Brown's Owen says "that wizard's just a crazy old man" there will be more to it.
Title: Re: Kenobi - Disney+
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 28, 2019, 07:13 PM
Some new insights into the Kenobi mini-series. (http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2019/10/ewan-mcgregor-talks-about-obi-wan.html?fbclid=IwAR3d-y8g6axhpqAglGFd_zm8UsZAFmxxaXxIa1Q-XbshGJuPECWqpV7efHo)
Title: Re: Kenobi - Disney+
Post by: Nicklab on January 23, 2020, 08:20 PM
The Obi-Wan Kenobi series that was announced for Disney+ has been put on hold.  Deborah Chow remains on the project as director, and the delay has been cited as LFL wanting significant story revisions:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/obi-wan-kenobi-series-hold-as-calls-goes-new-scripts-1272499 (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/obi-wan-kenobi-series-hold-as-calls-goes-new-scripts-1272499)
Title: Re: Kenobi - Disney+
Post by: Muftak on January 23, 2020, 10:38 PM
I am so okay with this I am borderline pleased to hear it. I am tired of the writing being weighed as less important than the scheduled release date. I can wait for quality.
Title: Re: Kenobi - Disney+
Post by: Jesse James on January 24, 2020, 12:37 AM
Yeah I'm fine with that...  Rewriting stuff hasn't failed their films.  Rogue One, Solo...  Major changes don't bother me.  I liked those films even if others maybe didn't, and one thing I will agree with ST naysayers is that I don't believe they had it fleshed out as much as they maybe should have.  Neither did Lucas, but I think Lucas had more together and was doing everything himself ultimately.  With the ST, they had a lot of different voices entering the story and while I think they did well with it, I think they would've benefited from the 3-year gaps Lucas did, etc.  Just my opinion.  They wanna pump the brakes?  Fine by me.
Title: Re: Kenobi - Disney+
Post by: Nicklab on January 24, 2020, 05:57 AM
I'm fine with putting this project on pause while they work on the scripts, too.  And thanks to social media we now have this cross-section of fandom who regard themselves as armchair movie studio executives / producers / screenwriters, etc.  The reality of the movie business is that many projects get put on hold or back into development when studio execs don't regard something as ready to go into production.  Prior to the social media age, this sort of thing might have made it into movie business trades, but in few other places.  But add a project going back into development and social media, and all of a sudden fanboy media claims that the sky is falling and studio executives should be fired.  Calling for a stronger script shows maturity and patience.

Title: Re: Kenobi - Disney+
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 24, 2020, 10:05 AM
I'm ok with them wanting to get it right and if they have to make some delays in order to do that, so be it.

Ewan McGregor's portrayal of Obi-Wan Kenobi, for me, was one of the best parts of the PT.  That being said, Attack of the Clones is easily the worst film in the entire saga because of GL being a bad director and not being able to tell a good story.  I don't want to see Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan again if the story is nonsensical....get this right Disney!
Title: Re: Kenobi - Disney+
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 24, 2020, 10:56 AM
I agree with everyone but doesn't change that it's disappointing it got to that point. Later good is better than sooner bad. But sooner good was obviously the hope.
Title: Re: Kenobi - Disney+
Post by: Nicklab on January 24, 2020, 12:19 PM
To quote Obi-Wan in TESB - "Patience!"

It's good to see some mature responses to this news.  I would much rather wait and have a superior show than rush things and be disappointed.  Especially since this show is going to stream on Disney's own platform.  They don't have the pressure of a theatrical release date which comes along with a significant level of business and marketing strategy.  I am still very reassured by Deborah Chow working as director given her performance on the 2 episodes of The Mandalorian that she directed.  And with Ewan McGregor returning, along with the possibility of Joel Edgerton as Owen Lars?  I think we're in relatively good hands.
Title: Re: Kenobi - Disney+
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on January 27, 2020, 02:10 PM
Not to mention that The Mandalorian has set the bar pretty high.  They need to be very calculating with subsequent moves.
Title: Re: Kenobi - Disney+
Post by: JediJman on January 27, 2020, 06:08 PM
I agree with everyone but doesn't change that it's disappointing it got to that point. Later good is better than sooner bad. But sooner good was obviously the hope.

I'm glad they are getting this right, but this is a kick in the shorts to Disney+ subscribers.  I really liked the Mandalorian, but when are we slated to get anything new SW related now?  Clone Wars?  And they sidelined Hawkeye for the MCU, so we're waiting on Falcon and Winter Solider ...in like 9 months?  I know the services is pretty cheap, but I picked it up with the promise of new content.
Title: Re: Kenobi - Disney+
Post by: Dave on January 27, 2020, 06:13 PM
I know the services is pretty cheap, but I picked it up with the promise of new content.

Yeah, this is what kind of bugs me the most.  I was doing the math on buying The Mandalorian on Blu-Ray vs. streaming it, plus all the future content in the three year subscription.   Its not a ton of money but it will be annoying if they keep pushing new content further out and then raise rates.
Title: Re: Kenobi - Disney+
Post by: Phrubruh on February 18, 2020, 11:10 AM

Yeah, this is what kind of bugs me the most.  I was doing the math on buying The Mandalorian on Blu-Ray vs. streaming it, plus all the future content in the three year subscription.   Its not a ton of money but it will be annoying if they keep pushing new content further out and then raise rates.
It works for the theme park division. They just stopped all work on the avengers e-ticket and the new Mickey ride at Disneyland because of the Coronavirus shutting down Shanghai/Hong Kong. At the same time, they raise prices across the board.

Disney  - raise prices now and kick new content down the road.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+)
Post by: Jeff on December 10, 2020, 06:40 PM
https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1337174593639829507

Hayden back as Vader?!?

Set ten years after ROTS.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+)
Post by: Mister Skeezler on December 10, 2020, 08:55 PM
https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1337174593639829507

Hayden back as Vader?!?

Set ten years after ROTS.

I'm wondering if they'll have James Earl Jones do the voice...Hayden's voice isn't quite right for it.

The one thing I have to ask is why Vader would be in it at all? It seems weird that they would have run into each other again before ANH.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+)
Post by: Matt_Fury on December 10, 2020, 11:04 PM
When this rumor first hit, it was speculated there would be some Flashbacks to the Clone Wars and some shots of Vader in the suit.

They start filming next month, I'm looking forward to this one!
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+)
Post by: Jeff on March 29, 2021, 10:31 AM
**added "spoilers" to the title as some of the casting will spoil characters appearing in the series...



Cast Pic from SW.com/Disney+ Twitter accounts

Obi-Wan, Anakin, Owen & Beru and more...  production begins in April!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExptJp3VgAIzzny.jpg)
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on October 12, 2021, 02:16 PM
Some interesting bits of rumors and conjecture that I've come across about the Obi-Wan Kenobi series?

*POSSIBLE SPOILERS*
Indira Varma is playing an Imperial officer (there are photos of her in uniform)
Character(s) from Rebels may be coming into play
Rupert Friend *MAY* be playing an Imperial officer (some people speculating that he might be playing Kallus)
Sung Kang might be playing an Inquisitor - possibly the Fifth Brother
Kumail Nanjiani has spoken a little bit about his part.  Would it be weird to think it's possible that he's playing an adult Kitster?
*POSSIBLE SPOILERS*
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Jeff on February 9, 2022, 06:01 PM
May 25th.  I guess they chose the 45th Anniversary of ANH over a May 4th Holiday release.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLL5jrHWUAYmajm.jpg)
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 9, 2022, 06:13 PM
So we'll probably get the Bad Batch season 2 on May 4th.  Seems anti-climactic, but the anniversary of the ANH release works for Kenobi.  Glad to have something definitive.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Rob on February 9, 2022, 08:12 PM
Give me a real trailer you cowards.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on February 10, 2022, 06:54 AM
I like the poster.  But I'm a little disappointed that we have to wait until the end of May for this series.

One cast member has been quoted as saying that the team on this show wants to the trailer to be PERFECT.  I get that - the characters involved here are monumental in the lore of Star Wars.  They get one chance to get this right.

There's a Disney shareholders meeting on March 9th.  I suspect that the trailer might be revealed there and released online shortly thereafter.  This has been a pattern that Disney has followed since acquiring Lucasfilm and the Star Wars IP.

The release schedule for the Star Wars Disney+ shows has been a point of concern ever since it was announced that there were 11 series in development.  But I think we're a way off from having Star Wars series stepping on each other.  And if The Bad Batch season 2 overlaps with Obi-Wan Kenobi?  I'd be genuinely shocked, because I think the Kenobi series is going to be promoted as the top show on the platform when it gets released.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on February 10, 2022, 08:17 AM
I heard that there may be a trailer during the Superbowl.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 10, 2022, 05:23 PM
One cast member has been quoted as saying that the team on this show wants to the trailer to be PERFECT.  I get that - the characters involved here are monumental in the lore of Star Wars.  They get one chance to get this right.

I can understand them wanting to get it right, but there's a saying among developers, "do not let perfect get in the way of good."  I have a feeling that they might be trying too hard at this point and it's going to make the hype train run out of control.  It could get to the point where the expectations will be so high that no one is going to to be happy.  If something like that happens the professional haters will have a field day and Disney is going to become more paranoid about giving us new content.  I want Disney to take risks, show us more of the Star Wars universe away from the main characters of the OT.  There's a lot of stories to be told and I want Disney to tell them.

Just give us a couple of teasers, don't spoil anything and let us see it.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on February 11, 2022, 10:15 AM
I think this show should open with a de-aged Luke opening Obi-Wan's journals to lead into the story.  Clearly at some point Luke went back to Dagobah to collect Yoda's things (or he took them before leaving to face Vader).  It stands to reason he cleaned out Obi-Wan's belongings as well.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: JediJman on February 11, 2022, 03:33 PM
I think this show should open with a de-aged Luke opening Obi-Wan's journals to lead into the story.  Clearly at some point Luke went back to Dagobah to collect Yoda's things (or he took them before leaving to face Vader).  It stands to reason he cleaned out Obi-Wan's belongings as well.

I'm guessing we get two choppy episodes of Obi-Wan interacting with the tuskens and walking everywhere he goes.  Then the remaining episodes will focus on the Mandalorian and Grogu.    :D
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on February 21, 2022, 10:04 AM
I think that the last piece is falling into place for a trailer.  I was really happy to see the news that John Williams had composed the main soundtrack theme for ďObi-Wan KenobiĒ, and the recording session for that was under high security. 

VARIETY:   John Williams Returns to ĎStar Warsí Universe with ĎObi-Wan Kenobií Theme (EXCLUSIVE) (https://variety.com/2022/music/news/john-williams-obi-wan-kenobi-theme-star-wars-series-1235185228/?fbclid=IwAR0mDRMczTYganbUsOi_dU3wS9gkjEKgUZlIoclxoYU5LybZo2qI_1yrHyM)


I think Lucasfilm probably wants to let the audience take a breath after TBOBF.  And I think there might also be a Disney Gallery episode about the making of TBOBF.  And that gives LFL a little time to incorporate the new score theme into a trailer.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on March 9, 2022, 08:57 AM
Hello there.

See exclusive first look photos of Obi-Wan Kenobi (https://ew.com/tv/obi-wan-kenobi-first-look-photos/?utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly_entertainmentweekly&utm_content=manual&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_term=%7B%7B.ShareRef%7D%7D&slide=89787021-3d2b-4941-942f-2876206b8132#89787021-3d2b-4941-942f-2876206b8132)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNaZs_bXEAQP1UN?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on March 9, 2022, 12:05 PM
Coincidentally the Disney shareholders meeting starts at 1 PM ET today.  Trailers have debuted at that meeting in the past, and it is entirely possible that the Obi-Wan Kenobi trailer might be revealed at that event.  Check YouTube around 2 pm ET / 1 pm CT.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Ryan on March 9, 2022, 12:11 PM
I was very excited to see the Grand Inquisitor (and the Inquisitors in general) have been confirmed to be in Kenobi! Hoping we get the trailer today too!
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on March 9, 2022, 02:11 PM
Obi-Wan Kenobi | Teaser Trailer | Disney+ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWTfhyvzTx0)
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on March 9, 2022, 02:16 PM
That looks pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 9, 2022, 02:37 PM
I'm still not thrilled about Obi-Wan leaving Tatooine because watching over Luke is his highest priority.  If he goes off planet to lead the Inquisitors away or something like that, I'll be ok with it.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Diddly on March 9, 2022, 10:15 PM
After the last few Disney Star Wars shows, I have zero faith in this being any good, and I'm desperately trying to figure out a way that I can enjoy it. My biggest issue is that they've all but said Obi Wan is going to face off with Vader, which absolutely breaks the lore of the time between ROTS and ANH... maybe if I look at this as some sort of fan fiction.  :-\
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on March 10, 2022, 08:16 AM
I havenít been banking on that happening, but I have mixed feelings if the show goes there.  But the bread crumbs seem to be leading in the direction that there are going to be flashback scenes with Obi-Wan and Anakin. 
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: P-Siddy on March 10, 2022, 10:43 AM
My biggest issue is that they've all but said Obi Wan is going to face off with Vader, which absolutely breaks the lore of the time between ROTS and ANH... maybe if I look at this as some sort of fan fiction.  :-\

I havenít been banking on that happening, but I have mixed feelings if the show goes there.  But the bread crumbs seem to be leading in the direction that there are going to be flashback scenes with Obi-Wan and Anakin. 

So maybe they'll show flashback scenes of their duel on Mustafar... which would mean that what the creators said is true, from a certain point of view.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: JediJman on March 10, 2022, 10:44 AM
My biggest issue is that they've all but said Obi Wan is going to face off with Vader, which absolutely breaks the lore of the time between ROTS and ANH...

Does it though?  I'm guessing they just use Anakin as flashback material, but I don't think it breaks what we saw in ANH if there is a Kenobi/Vader showdown.

Quote
Darth Vader: I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner. Now, I am the master!
Ben Kenobi: Only a master of evil, Darth!
Darth Vader: Your powers are weak, old man.
Ben Kenobi: You cannot win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
Darth Vader: You should not have come back.

"When I left you I was but the learner"...Anakin thought he should have been a Master by the time he fights Kenobi on Mustafar.  So is he referring to himself as a student of the force or is he talking more about how he was still new to the powers of the dark side, new to the Sith, new to his armor and new body?  He could still be a learner in those things when Luke is young.  Maybe he loses another duel with Kenobi because he's still a novice, but then feels more like the master when they meet on the death star because he's had another decade of experience as a Sith.

Then there's the "You should not have come back."  Come back from where?  Come out of hiding?  That phrase almost makes me feel like they did meet again at some point between Mustafar and ANH.  I don't think another Vader/Kenobi showdown ruins any of this for me - in fact I think it makes ANH seem a bit more realistic in some ways. 

I'm hoping we get to see the realization that Vader is Anakin from Kenobi at some point.  If Obi-Wan was really all that sheltered on Tatooine, then wouldn't he have been more surprised to find an Armored Vader/Anakin on the Death Star?  It's not like he just felt Anakin's presence off planet during his time on Tatooine without Vader picking up on that connection.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on March 10, 2022, 11:15 AM
The line that has always bugged me in the overall timeline is Tarkin's, "surely he must be dead by now".  As a kid I always attributed that to Kenobi dying of old age, but really Kenobi shouldn't have even been that old during ANH based on what we learned in the prequel trilogy of Kenobi not being that old to begin with.

Maybe that reference might now be a reference to the pursuit and battles with Inquisitors and Stormtroopers, and the fact that he should be dead because of violence.

I'm with Diddly that I'm a little worried Disney is going to mess this up like they did with BoBF.  I really, really hope they've spent their time figuring this story out and tell it well.  The trailer looks good and I'm hoping the story holds together.  Ewan as Obi-Wan should be awesome.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 10, 2022, 01:25 PM
After watching the teaser, I'm even more hyped for this series!  If Vader and Kenobi face off, I'll be ok with it if it's something that comes organically from the story and not something that's just jammed in for the spectacle.

Seeing as Kenobi is going to have run ins with the Inquisitors and Vader is in charge of the Inquisitors, it shouldn't be too hard to believe they will square off at some point.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on March 10, 2022, 01:46 PM
Seeing as Kenobi is going to have run ins with the Inquisitors and Vader is in charge of the Inquisitors, it shouldn't be too hard to believe they will square off at some point.

I hope if Kenobi faces off with Inquisitors one on one its like his encounter with Maul in Rebels - about a five second battle.  I'm hoping the Inquisitors just menace the population, and call in piles of Stormtroopers to take out Jedi.  A Jedi Master/Knight should be able to make short work of an Inquisitor.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 10, 2022, 03:25 PM
I hope if Kenobi faces off with Inquisitors one on one its like his encounter with Maul in Rebels - about a five second battle.  I'm hoping the Inquisitors just menace the population, and call in piles of Stormtroopers to take out Jedi.  A Jedi Master/Knight should be able to make short work of an Inquisitor.

Agreed.  I don't think he'll kill all of them though because we see at least some of them show up in Rebels.

Remember, Kanan and Ezra had difficulties fighting the Inquisitors and were lucky to get away from Vader.  Ahsoka was able to dispatch the Inquisitors fairly easily and went toe-to-toe with Vader.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on March 11, 2022, 05:59 PM
Some pieces are starting to come together after watching the trailer a few times.

The black tower is evidently called Fortress Inquisitorius.  It's featured in the Jedi - Fallen Order game.  One of the images from the preview spot on Disney+ showed an Imperial facility with Stormtroopers and there was a green wash over everything - evidently that is this particular installation.  There's some information about it on Wookieepedia that you might want to read if you haven't played the game, because I have not.

There's one shot with a couple of the transport pods for Imperial Probe Droids.  It leaves me hoping that the original plan to release an Imperial Probe Droid as shown in the Blue Milk book will be revisited in light of them being in Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Oh, and someone translated the Aurrebesh on the dirty looking droid, which is evidently named NED.

RE:  the Grand Inquisitor?  Frank, aka Niub Niub, posted this comparison image (https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca51QnusImK/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link) to show Tion Medon, the animated Grand Inquisitor, a fan mockup and the Grand Inquisitor as shown in the trailer.  It left me feeling a little disappointed about the look of this character in the trailer.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on March 16, 2022, 12:47 PM
The Official Site had some highlights from the trailer.  Among them?  The new Inquisitor, Reva, is the Third Sister.

5 HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE OBI-WAN KENOBI TEASER TRAILER (https://www.starwars.com/news/obi-wan-kenobi-teaser-trailer-highlights)
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 31, 2022, 02:27 PM
Kenobi delayed two days, but we get the first two episodes! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEuirQWecEw)
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Ryan on March 31, 2022, 05:31 PM
A two day delay is not a lot of time to fix the Grand Inquisitor's appearance...  :P
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 31, 2022, 05:53 PM
I don't mind the look of the Grand Inquisitor in Kenobi, although I can understand people not liking it.  Hell, look at Jabba the Hutt in Rebels...they made him look just like Ezra!

Apparently, the rest of the episodes will premier on Wednesdays.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Ryan on March 31, 2022, 06:00 PM
I don't mind the look of the Grand Inquisitor in Kenobi, although I can understand people not liking it.  Hell, look at Jabba the Hutt in Rebels...they made him look just like Ezra!

Apparently, the rest of the episodes will premier on Wednesdays.

It's mostly a minor thing for me. I loved his look in Rebels. I am ok with animated styles not translating 1:1 to live action, and I really wouldn't have cared at all had we not already seen a Pau'an in live action.

(https://www.cercatoridiatlantide.it/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/GrandeInquisitore_copertina-1280x640.png)

Overall though, I can't wait for the show and am really glad we get to see some live action Inquisitors. It's especially cool that Jason Isaacs gets to play him again in live action.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: JediJman on April 1, 2022, 12:24 PM
Disney+ put the first episode of Kenobi up for 24 hours!!! Can't wait to check it out over lunch.   

Disney+ Surprises Fans with Limited Early Release Party (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on May 4, 2022, 08:54 AM

Obi-Wan Kenobi | Official Trailer | Disney+ (https://youtu.be/3Yh_6_zItPU)
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on May 4, 2022, 09:45 AM

Obi-Wan Kenobi | Official Trailer | Disney+ (https://youtu.be/3Yh_6_zItPU)

That looks sweet! 

I'm worried as I've got high expectations for this.  I sure hope it delivers.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Matt_Fury on May 4, 2022, 12:20 PM
This just keeps looking better and better!
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: JediJman on May 5, 2022, 01:44 PM

Obi-Wan Kenobi | Official Trailer | Disney+ (https://youtu.be/3Yh_6_zItPU)

Did I catch an OT Bounty Hunter in that trailer!?   :o
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on May 5, 2022, 01:51 PM
YES!  I was wondering when people were going to catch that.

I think most people might have focused on the interaction between Obi-Wan and Owen Lars or the obvious bit at the end.  But that droid bounty hunter was a pleasant surprise!

Beyond that?  It was good to see Kumail Nanjani in the trailer.  "Silicon Valley" was where I saw him first, and he was pretty good in "Eternals".  I'm wondering who his character is.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on May 20, 2022, 11:30 AM
On the subject of characters like 4-LOM showing up in the trailer for Obi-Wan Kenobi, there have been rumors of other bounty hunters turning up in the Disney+ series.  Several of those seem obvious.  Some chatter seems to revolve around one of the most well known bounty hunters.

But I was actually wondering about some Clone Wars era characters who have the potential for showing up.  Some people have theorized that Commander Cody could turn up.  I was actually wondering about a Clone Wars era bounty hunter - Embo.  He has actually turned up in some of the new canon novels.  And I know that he's a favorite of Dave Filoni, who seems to have a hand in the series.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: P-Siddy on May 20, 2022, 11:39 AM
I could see Cad Bane possibly showing up since he has already made an appearance in the Book.  Would it be cool to see the other BHs from the Executor scene?  Of course... but knowing that the Obi-Wan series takes place before Empire, their scenes (if they face off with Obi-Wan) wouldn't have the same gravity since we know both parties would ultimately survive any confrontation.  I think it would definitely work if we saw the Bounty Hunters joining the Inquisitors in capturing/taking down other Jedi.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on May 23, 2022, 02:14 PM
I'm really looking forward to the series starting on Friday.

A few backstory items I hope they don't cover in detail in the Kenobi series:
- How Obi-Wan Kenobi picked up the moniker "Ben"
- How Kenobi spent years living with the Tusken Raiders learning how to howl like a Krayt Dragon
- How he formed a friendship with a brightly colored speeder bike gang
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: P-Siddy on May 23, 2022, 02:21 PM
A few backstory items I hope they don't cover in detail in the Kenobi series:
- How Obi-Wan Kenobi picked up the moniker "Ben"

As long as it isn't as bad as how Han got "Solo".
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Jeff on May 23, 2022, 02:38 PM
A few backstory items I hope they don't cover in detail in the Kenobi series:
- How Obi-Wan Kenobi picked up the moniker "Ben"
- How Kenobi spent years living with the Tusken Raiders learning how to howl like a Krayt Dragon
- How he formed a friendship with a brightly colored speeder bike gang

Sorry Dave, I got a look at the synopses for each episode -

Ep1 -3: Obi-Wan lives with the Tusken while Inquisitors search for him
Ep4: Obi-Wan saves victim of a Tusken attack, takes him for help/mod parts, encourages him to start a colorful Cyborg kid speeder gang in Mos Espa after his recovery
Ep5: The Mandalorian shows up to warn Obi-Wan about Inquisitors and accidentally names him - "you've BEN a good friend, Obi-Wan"
Ep6: Obi-Wan vs Vader
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on May 23, 2022, 03:12 PM
Ep5: The Mandalorian shows up to warn Obi-Wan about Inquisitors and accidentally names him - "you've BEN a good friend, Obi-Wan"

Nice. 

One more I forgot to add - I really hope there isn't an important (or stupid) plot point where Kenobi needs to learn how to ride a new, large, strange beast.  That seems to be a common thread recently and its totally stupid.  Why don't people just ride speeder bikes everywhere?  I like E3 where Kenobi jumps on a Boga and just hauls ass without any buildup in to the why or how.

I do however hope that Kenobi goes in to a Tatooine cantina where Max Reebo is playing.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Matt_Fury on May 23, 2022, 03:29 PM
One thing I really do hope this series explores is Obi-Wan dealing with PTSD and the loss of the Jedi Order.

I think they have a great opportunity to cover this subject....especially because of the suicide rate among veterans.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on May 23, 2022, 04:16 PM
One thing I really do hope this series explores is Obi-Wan dealing with PTSD and the loss of the Jedi Order.

PTSD - Post-Traumatic Sith Disorder?
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on May 23, 2022, 04:42 PM
One thing I really do hope this series explores is Obi-Wan dealing with PTSD and the loss of the Jedi Order.

I think they have a great opportunity to cover this subject....especially because of the suicide rate among veterans.

I think itís an incredibly important subject.  And Star Wars has addressed some of the major issues of our times.  If thereís any kind of a comparable subject within Star Wars, it could be the state of the retired Clone Army.  Millions of clones donít just disappear after all. 

The mental health of veterans is a subject that needs to be addressed with great care.  Is this series the right vehicle to try to touch on that?  I donít know.  I appreciate how ďThe Falcon and The Winter SoldierĒ took on some uncomfortable issues.  And I think it landed with some of the audience, but it might have been lost on other segments. 

I think the core of this is probably going to be about how Obi-Wan is dealing with the ramifications of the fall of the Jedi Order and the rise of the Empire.  Being on the run has to be mentally and emotionally exhausting.   And the big thing for Obi-Wan beyond that is coming to learn that he had not actually killed Anakin, and the monster that is Darth Vader is something that he holds some responsibility for creating.  Thatís a lot for anyone to have on their plate. 
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Jeff on May 27, 2022, 08:53 AM
I stayed up and watched the first two episodes last night when they dropped at 9pm PT. 

A+ :)

I am so glad that I stayed spoiler free heading into this one.  I am also REALLY happy that certain things were left out of the trailers.  Hollywood has such a tendency to spoil things in trailers these days, so I'm happy LFL resisted doing that with Kenobi.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Muftak on May 27, 2022, 10:45 AM
Watched the first 2 episodes.

I enjoyed every second, even the Inquisitors which I had trepidations  about. Every surprise landed well for me.

Very much looking forward to the next month.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: GrandMoffNick on May 27, 2022, 11:10 AM
Wow. Good stuff.

Side note felt obligated to buy another TVC 501st Clone that's been staring at me at Target the last couple days.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Jedi Idej on May 27, 2022, 02:22 PM
I was expecting a lot from this series. So far so good.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Matt_Fury on May 27, 2022, 02:30 PM
Minor spoiler here so please consider yourself warned.


















I'm one episode in and I'm still shocked at how Leia was kidnapped by a member of the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: McMetal on May 27, 2022, 03:33 PM
I liked everything up until the last 5 minutes of the 2nd episode.

I mean, WT literal F? No one could be bothered to watch Season One of Rebels?

My head is still exploding over that oneÖjust such a weird, unnecessary choice IMHO.

Aside from that, thoroughly enjoyable. That little girl was a treat!
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: GrandMoffNick on May 27, 2022, 03:55 PM
I hear you McMetal but that's why I think what it looked like happened didn't really happen. What really happened? No clue, but I don't believe they just crapped on Rebels there.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Jeff on May 27, 2022, 04:19 PM
I hear you McMetal but that's why I think what it looked like happened didn't really happen.

I agree.  I kinda feel like that happens at least once per Disney media these days...

Finn (TFA - lightsaber wound), Princess Leia (TLJ - vacuum), Chewbacca (TROS - ship explosion fake-out), Kylo Ren (TROS - lightsaber wound), Fennec Shand (TM - gut shot), Cobb Vanth (TBOBF - blaster bolt).  Not to mention OT/PT guys that got better - Boba Fett (ROTJ), Emperor Palpatine (ROTJ), Darth Maul (TPM).
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: P-Siddy on May 27, 2022, 06:03 PM
Yeah, that was a head-scratcher in the last five minutes.  Hell, Reva shouldn't have even been there as I would think the Grand Inquisitor would have permanently "relieved" her of her duties with such continued insubordination.  Another head-scratcher was the whole chasing Leia bit (bounty hunters and Obi-Wan).  Obviously with little 9-year-old legs (she might have been 8 during filming since she doesn't look like any 10-year-old I know), she's not going to run as fast as an adult, but the chase on Alderaan where the Falleen runs into the tree branch was comical (in a bad way).

Other than those nit-picks, I enjoyed it.  It's cool to see Ewan as Obi-Wan, er, Ben again and the show nailed some of the things that people here were wondering about...

... and I believe Stranger Things Season 4, Part 1 is out, too.  Too much television to watch.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Diddly on May 27, 2022, 09:39 PM
I had less than zero expectations for this series after the disaster that was Book of Boba Fett, and the first two episode don't suck, but still get a resounding "meh" from me.

Calling it now, the Nightsister is one of the younglings from the beginning, who is somehow obsessed with Kenobi for not saving her or something lame.

The bounty hunters chasing Leia through the forest might be more embarrassing than that Mos Espa speeder chase in Book of Boba Fett. I had to pause it for a few minutes so I could laugh when that green alien ran into the tree branch.

I don't want to sound like a total negative nancy, so here are some things I liked: the meeting with Ben and Owen, the veteran hobo 501st Clone, Kumail being a fake Jedi for money, Flea getting non-RHCP work
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on May 27, 2022, 10:41 PM
I thought it was overall pretty good.  Far, far better than BoBF.

I didnít like the chase scenes either.  There could have been much better ways to do a chase with a ten year old that werenít quite so cringy. 

Iím curious about Obi-Wanís seemingly rusty jedi skills. Has he ďturned them offĒ so he could hide? You would think that would be something you wouldnít forget how to do after a lifetime of practice.

I like the easter eggs as well.  I might have missed a few, but I liked the ones I caught.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Muftak on May 28, 2022, 08:23 AM
Some spoilery talk, then...
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When they put out Clone Wars in 2008 I said out loud, "Why don't they just do a TV show about the OT heroes from between movies?"

When they put out Rebels in 2014 I said out loud, "Why don't they just do a TV show about the OT heroes from between movies?"

So, now I feel like I have finally gotten what I keep coming to the table for. Little Leia and Ben off on an adventure together is exactly what I have been waiting for them to do. Maybe by the end of this we will understand why she named her son "Ben."

My son stayed home from school yesterday, not so we could watch this neccessarily but because his Mom was bothered by the recent school tragedy and some corellations with a shooter drill they did at his school earlier in the year (where he was in the bathroom at the time and got locked out of his classroom and had to find a place to hide for the duration of the simulated lockdown.) He is all caught up with his work and just has a few days to go anyway before summer break, and...Kenobi!

All of that is to say we had just had a big talk about the protocols for a school shooter situation and this time in particular with an emphasis on law enforcement, to open the show with some kids trying to escape their school which was full of law enforcement officials as the shooters. We all kind of galumphed at that.

Both my son and his mom took it as a given that, when the Inquisitors appeared in the next scene, that they were the grown-up versions of those kids, which only struck me as a possibility once they suggested it. So yeah, that's probably Reva's origin.

The escape through the woods chase made me think of the Vespa chase, too, and how this must be a limit for how they are making these shows because this one didn't work well either. We were all laughing at the bad guys' problems with branches and stumps. I no-prized it away as her subconsciously using the Force to befuddle their minds, and in doing so explained away a lot of the issues with Stormtrooper aim and plot armor for the heroes that have lingered since the beginning anyway.  :)

Reva stabbing her boss (apparently to death but we know better) was no issue for me. Yeah, we know he's not dead, but this was about her making the decision that will end her allegiance to the Inquisitors. It had to be something big, and something that he couldn't come back from in the immediate moment so that she has genuine freedom to make her next move. I'm sure he'll go get fixed up by that mod doc on Tatooine who gave Fennec a robot digestive tract.

I genuinely enjoyed the characterization of Bail Organa and Jimmy Smit's acting was perfect. Ditto with Owen Lars, though his life being threatened was a bit over-the-top. It went to show how far off the Jedi path Obi-Wan has gone, at least until Bail showed up to make him confront it himself.

Another detail I adored was Leia's Alderaanian wardrobe, which really brought back the "Bespin Gown" costume in my mind and started tying it all together as Leia's intended "classy civilian" attire. And then she would go play in her "battle togs" attire. Great costuming. And not for nothing, but she was probably the best-written character of these two episodes.

Alright, I will stop gushing now though I could easily  keep going. I really enjoyed it, warts and all.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Matt_Fury on May 28, 2022, 05:41 PM
My only gripe about the show so far is Reva referring to Darth Vader as Anakin Skywalker.  Kenobi knows Anakin became Darth Vader but she shouldn't know that Vader is actually Anakin Skywalker.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: P-Siddy on May 28, 2022, 09:51 PM
I wonder how much vacation time Ben requested at his job cutting up the desert ray fish?
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on May 28, 2022, 11:47 PM
My only gripe about the show so far is Reva referring to Darth Vader as Anakin Skywalker.  Kenobi knows Anakin became Darth Vader but she shouldn't know that Vader is actually Anakin Skywalker.

If the Inquisitors were younglings its likely they knew Anakin and experienced his assault on the Jedi Temple as Darth Vader, and now have to work closely with him to track down the Jedi. 
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Rob on May 29, 2022, 09:53 AM
I donít see it. 

The show said ď10 years laterĒ at the beginning after the Order 66 scene.

If the inquisitors were younglings, theyíre all 17 year olds.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Rob on May 29, 2022, 10:43 AM
Separate questionÖ

How does Reva know about Leia and her ties to Obi-Wan?  Like, itís a secret even to Vader that Luke has a sister.

Is she just remembering that Bail Organa is his friend and kidnapping his daughter? 

Seems thin unless Iím missing something obvious.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Jeff on May 29, 2022, 11:30 AM
How does Reva know about Leia and her ties to Obi-Wan?  Like, itís a secret even to Vader that Luke has a sister.

I think she says something about finding a friendship link between Bail and Obi-Wan "in the archives" or something.  She's playing off the link between Obi-Wan and Bail, Leia is just the bait.  I don't think she knows who Leia is.

Her having access to "the archives" seems to mean she's spent a lot of time obsessing over Obi-Wan for some reason and I guess it's possible she either learned about Anakin/Vader that way or just put the pieces together based on other things she discovered "in the archives" whatever that is.

Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on May 30, 2022, 07:12 AM
I watched the show with my daughter on Friday morning.  She was off for an extra day for the holiday weekend since our school had some unused snow days this year.  I've got to say that in light of last week's events that opening scene of the first episode was pretty jarring.  It didn't really register with me until after the fact, but it didn't make that scene matter less.  In retrospect I realize that opening scene could have been terrifying for kids.

I think that scene was really well done.  The way it read to me was that it was a reminder of what happened when Order 66 was issued, and as a metaphor for the existence of all Jedi, young and old, from that point forward.  They are on the run and in continual mortal danger.  Maybe it was the pace of the scene, because it didn't really register with me until I had seen the episode a couple of times that one of those younglings looked exactly like Reva Sevander.  I was admittedly a little caught up with how good the Jedi Temple set looked along with the fact that it looked like there were stunt performers in suits playing the 501st Clones.

There was so much to digest in the course of the two episodes.  Like "Ben" having a job.  I guess even a Jedi in hiding on Tatooine can't get by without a few credits.  And carving up that creature (was it a Neebray or a Purgil?) seemed like a major source of sustenance for all - including Obi-Wan's Eopie.  Part of me was wanting him to call her Roo, like in the Legends book, but that's a really deep cut.

Obi-Wan's psychology is fascinating to see here.  He's clearly in survival mode.  He wants to protect Luke, but he realizes that he's in no position to take on the Empire.  And his reluctance to help Bail Organa reflects on how much he has tried to bury Obi-Wan and become Ben.  I was actually shocked to see that he had buried the lightsabers in the middle of the desert.  It was also stunning to see "that scene" on Daiyu.  It seemed that Obi-Wan had consciously cut himself off from the Force.  And to have to use it as he did seemed like it was a tremendous strain on him.  But from a story standpoint it seems like that might have been a transitional point for him.

Then there are the Inquisitors.  The Grand Inquisitor looked much better in the show than he did in the trailer.  Maybe it was just those particular shots in the trailer that made his head look like an egg?  The rivalry between Reva and the Grand Inquisitor is interesting.  And it's because we've never really seen that kind of rivalry between Force users - at least not in live action.  The Grand Inquisitor is clearly trying to keep Reva in line to protect his own position.  It was genuinely shocking to see her run him through.  I'm thinking that the writers and show runners were banking on the fact that not the entire audience had seen Rebels.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on May 31, 2022, 09:50 AM
Watched Kenobi episodes 1 and 2 again last night.

A few more observations:
- I love that Obi-Wan doesn't appear to use the force until he absolutely needs to save Leia.  He's using a blaster even after he's outed as a Jedi.  He never even contemplates grabbing his lightsaber. And I love the scene where Obi-Wan finds out that Anakin is still alive and seems to be both gobsmacked by that fact, and seems to have a bit of a Force reawakening.  He must have been totally living under a rock on Tatooine.
- I liked the C-3PO cameo, and hope we catch a glimpse of R2 at some point.
- I liked the Temuera Morrison cameo, and the fact that its a 501st trooper that helped eradicate the Jedi that was begging from Obi-Wan.
- The Leia to Kenobi "old" jokes seemed flat.  Kenobi doesn't even look that old.  Its funny too because Jimmy Smits is 67 and Ewan McGregor is only 51.  (sidebar - its always made me a bit grumpy that Alec Guinness was truly old and based on the timeline Ewan's Obi-Wan will never come anywhere near that age - must have lived a tough life as a meatcutter on Tatooine)

I don't know where all the plot is going, but I will totally love it if it has almost nothing to do with Luke/Owen/Beru and Tatooine.  If its all Bail/Leia and Inquisitors that will be super sweet.  I'm hoping Leia gets quickly left on Alderaan and the adventures continue without much involvement from previously known characters.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Rob on May 31, 2022, 10:08 AM
How does Reva know about Leia and her ties to Obi-Wan?  Like, itís a secret even to Vader that Luke has a sister.

I think she says something about finding a friendship link between Bail and Obi-Wan "in the archives" or something.  She's playing off the link between Obi-Wan and Bail, Leia is just the bait.  I don't think she knows who Leia is.

Her having access to "the archives" seems to mean she's spent a lot of time obsessing over Obi-Wan for some reason and I guess it's possible she either learned about Anakin/Vader that way or just put the pieces together based on other things she discovered "in the archives" whatever that is.

EhÖ still feels thin to me.  Bail Organa has security forces and some old link of friendship is going to het Obi-Wan out of hiding?  At best it sounds like throwing a lot of stuff at the wall to see what sticks.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Rob on May 31, 2022, 10:10 AM
- I liked the C-3PO cameo, and hope we catch a glimpse of R2 at some point.

Artoo was there too.  :)
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on May 31, 2022, 01:18 PM
How does Reva know about Leia and her ties to Obi-Wan?  Like, itís a secret even to Vader that Luke has a sister.

I think she says something about finding a friendship link between Bail and Obi-Wan "in the archives" or something.  She's playing off the link between Obi-Wan and Bail, Leia is just the bait.  I don't think she knows who Leia is.

Her having access to "the archives" seems to mean she's spent a lot of time obsessing over Obi-Wan for some reason and I guess it's possible she either learned about Anakin/Vader that way or just put the pieces together based on other things she discovered "in the archives" whatever that is.

EhÖ still feels thin to me.  Bail Organa has security forces and some old link of friendship is going to het Obi-Wan out of hiding?  At best it sounds like throwing a lot of stuff at the wall to see what sticks.

I'm inclined to give the show the benefit of the doubt.  Especially since we're only two episodes into the series.

As for the Empire and the Inquisitors checking the Archives?  Are we talking about the Jedi Archives?  There's certainly a trail that Obi-Wan left on Coruscant following the Battle of Utapau.  He just happened to resurface on Coruscant after Order 66 just as Bail Organa returned to attend the Senate session where Palpatine made the declaration of the Empire.  He and Yoda killed who knows how many Clone Troopers when they returned to the Jedi Temple.  And Obi-Wan made the holo recording to warn other Jedi to hide and not return to the temple. 

Knowledge about Anakin's new identity as Darth Vader is likely to be very limited.  But the breadcrumbs are out there, too.  Obi-Wan and Yoda found the holovid of Palpatine referring to Anakin as Darth Vader in ROTS.  In the course of their work hunting the Jedi, the Inquisitors have probably pored over as much data as possible in the Jedi Archives in order to track them down.  And of course, the Inquisitors are fallen Jedi.  The Grand Inquisitor had been a Temple Guard.  And it appears that Reva might have been one of the younglings in that opening scene.  All of the Jedi at that time had to known about Anakin Skywalker given his exploits during the Clone War, and his elevation to the Jedi High Council.

It seems like there's a fine line between conveying a story that flows naturally and one that painstakingly works at connecting the dots.  Sometimes that might happen at the expense of the story because storytellers feel like they have to work their way systematically through a checklist.  And I think novelizations are a great way to explore some of that minutiae.  A streaming series?  Maybe not.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on May 31, 2022, 02:46 PM
It seems like there's a fine line between conveying a story that flows naturally and one that painstakingly works at connecting the dots.  Sometimes that might happen at the expense of the story because storytellers feel like they have to work their way systematically through a checklist.  And I think novelizations are a great way to explore some of that minutiae.  A streaming series?  Maybe not.

I personally like how thin the series Kenobi is on "explaining things".  Star Wars has always suffered when it spends too much time connecting the dots (midichlorians, Book of Boba Fett). 

I joked about the series explaining why Obi-Wan is now "Ben".  I love that he is now just "Ben" without any explanation.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on May 31, 2022, 08:04 PM
- I liked the C-3PO cameo, and hope we catch a glimpse of R2 at some point.

Artoo was there too.  :)

What scene was Artoo in?  I couldn't spot him in the reception scene where C-3PO was.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: JediJman on May 31, 2022, 10:28 PM
How does Reva know about Leia and her ties to Obi-Wan?  Like, itís a secret even to Vader that Luke has a sister.

The connection is Bail.  He was a strong supporter of the Jedi and Obi-Wan is last seen on Bail's ship.  There's no one else around with ties to Kenobi from the prequels (unless they can dig up Jar Jar), so it makes sense that you kidnap Bail's daughter or wife to try to draw Kenobi out of hiding.  I don't think that's a stretch, but I think it's odd that you would send a spy/bounty hunter/inquisitor to follow Bail after the kidnapping to find out where Kenobi is hiding.  If you think Bail is the connection, then why not track him to find Kenobi's hideout and catch him off guard? I would have liked to see Bail contact Kenobi remotely or at least throw on a disguise.  Heck, if Reva can read minds why even both with Leia - just go trap Bail and find the Kenobi connection.

If the inquisitors were younglings, theyíre all 17 year olds.

Maybe not an official youngling, but Reva could have been pre-teen and is now in her lower 20's.  I would buy that.  I did read somewhere that the Inquisitors were all fallen Jedi and I think Kenobi confirmed that in his dialogue.  Vader supposedly trained them too, so either by some form of recognition or him simply saying who he is, I'm not surprised the inquisitors know his former name. 
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on June 1, 2022, 06:49 AM
- I liked the C-3PO cameo, and hope we catch a glimpse of R2 at some point.

Artoo was there too.  :)

What scene was Artoo in?  I couldn't spot him in the reception scene where C-3PO was.

It's one of the later scenes in the reception room.  R2 is in the background.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Matt_Fury on June 1, 2022, 12:32 PM
Just watched episode 3.

Ho. Lee. ****.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Mister Skeezler on June 1, 2022, 12:58 PM
Just watched episode 3.

Ho. Lee. ****.

Me too. I thought it was out on Friday and I was pleasantly surprised. Then I was ecstatic. I'll give it a day, then I want to wallow in all the spoiler goodness.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on June 1, 2022, 08:14 PM
OMG!
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Rob on June 1, 2022, 08:43 PM
My wife is out of town and I canít watch until Friday night.   :-\
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Muftak on June 1, 2022, 09:36 PM
Petty bitch.

(Not directed at you Rob!)
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on June 1, 2022, 10:01 PM
I was surprised to see Zach Braff in the credits.  Apparently he was the alien transport driver.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: I Am Sith on June 1, 2022, 10:06 PM
My theory on this is that Reva was Obi-Wan's padawan after Anakin (that was never mentioned in ROTS) and that's why she's hunting him down.  She felt as though he abandoned her and thus the obsession with wanting to find him.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Mister Skeezler on June 2, 2022, 09:47 AM
My wife is out of town and I canít watch until Friday night.   :-\

Alright, then I'll hold off.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Matt_Fury on June 2, 2022, 10:09 AM
My wife is out of town and I canít watch until Friday night.   :-\

You can't figure out how to watch it and not tell her?  Amateur.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: McMetal on June 2, 2022, 10:16 AM
Ugh, I guess I am the only one who REALLY did not like last nightís episode. I feel like there are two things at odds with each other going on in this show. One, the internal plots and characters and events, but more importantly how all of this activity dovetails with the rest of the movies.

They are doing an ok job with #1 but #2 is really starting to bother me. I wonít go more into it than that for now, but man, so much revisionist stuff happening.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: P-Siddy on June 2, 2022, 11:51 AM
I kind of agree that some of the events in the show mess with what I've heard is called "head cannon".  But I've realized that it's just a show and watch it for enjoyment anymore.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on June 2, 2022, 04:08 PM
There was one scene that looked like the inspiration came straight out of the EU.  That being Vader walking through the town and leaving carnage in his wake.  It reminded me of something from one of the Darth Bane novels where he indiscriminately kills innocent people.  And he did it because it made the Dark Side of the Force well up in him, making him even more powerful.  I got the sense that Vader did the same thing.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on June 3, 2022, 09:56 AM
Episode 3 Spoiler discussion



I mostly enjoyed the third episode.  A few thoughts/questions:
- Why doesn't Obi-Wan use his saber in battles?  Is he trying to hide and not leave sliced bodies around that are clearly the result of a Jedi, even though people are actively looking for him?
- I liked the tease that there might be more Jedi out there - including Quinlan Vos
- What is the deal with the Vader/Kenobi fight?  Kenobi didn't seem to have any idea what to do in the battle.  Is he that rusty?  I would have liked to see something more like ROTS where they're actively engaged with each other, force pushing each other, etc.  I thought Vader's ability to choke Kenobi, and Kenobi seeming helpless was a little weird.  If he is meant to have weakened powers I kind of wish they would lightly discuss that where Kenobi tells Leia (or someone) that his powers have faded or something.


Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Matt_Fury on June 3, 2022, 10:06 AM
Episode 3 Spoiler discussion



I mostly enjoyed the third episode.  A few thoughts/questions:
- Why doesn't Obi-Wan use his saber in battles?  Is he trying to hide and not leave sliced bodies around that are clearly the result of a Jedi, even though people are actively looking for him?
- I liked the tease that there might be more Jedi out there - including Quinlan Vos
- What is the deal with the Vader/Kenobi fight?  Kenobi didn't seem to have any idea what to do in the battle.  Is he that rusty?  I would have liked to see something more like ROTS where they're actively engaged with each other, force pushing each other, etc.  I thought Vader's ability to choke Kenobi, and Kenobi seeming helpless was a little weird.  If he is meant to have weakened powers I kind of wish they would lightly discuss that where Kenobi tells Leia (or someone) that his powers have faded or something.

You nailed it with why Obi-Wan is hesitant to use his lightsaber.  Too distinctive of a wound pattern when you are trying to hide.

As far as Obi-Wan and his lack of ability to use the force, I think it's more of a lack of practice.  He's not running around Tatooine writing wrongs like a Jedi in the Republic would, he's hiding and not trying to draw attention to himself.  At this point in this story, he's not in fighting shape and out of practice.  I'm expecting a training montage at some point so he's much more capable in round two of Vader/Kenobi.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on June 3, 2022, 10:32 AM
+1

Obi-Wan seems to be avoiding any trace of using his Jedi abilities and lightsaber unless it's a life or death situation.  Lightsabers leave telltale marks - witness that scene on Tatooine as the Inquisitors are questioning the saloon owner.  The Grand Inquisitor walked over to the wall with the burnt in slashes left by Nari's lightsaber and pointed them out.

When Obi-Wan is meditating earlier in the series it seems like he's barely connecting with the Force.  But when he's on the freighter it seems like he is able to connect to it, but that comes with potential consequences.  Is Vader also able to sense Obi-Wan connecting to the Force?  Witness Obi-Wan's vision of a brooding Anakin / Vader on Mapuzo.  I took that as the two of them connecting through the Force, leading Vader to know that Obi-Wan was there.

I think that Obi-Wan is in the process of hitting his rock bottom.  Bail Organa saw it when he came to confront him.  Reva has taken Leia.  And Obi-Wan was seriously wounded.  I think the next episode will be pivotal for Obi-Wan - to heal, to come to grips with his failures, to train, and possibly to connect with Qui-Gon through the Force.  Odd that it would happen on Jabiim.  But I appreciate the show wanting to go there.  It was the location of a pivotal battle in the Clone Wars (in Dark Horse Comics) where Obi-Wan was captured.  But seeing how that Dark Horse material now falls into the LEGENDS realm, I wonder if or how any of that might factor into the series?
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Post by: Jeff on June 3, 2022, 11:21 AM
I agree with what you guys are saying - I think Ben has pretty much cut himself off from the Force to help hide. (or maybe out of guilt).  Like Nick said, maybe he's worried that using the force makes him more open to detection by other force-sensitives?  I think Obi-Wan straining to catch Leia when she was falling was trying to show us that he's just not "fluent" in the force anymore, for lack of a better term.

I thought that point was really driven home in Episode 3 - Vader points out how weak Obi-Wan has become over the years.  When they finally engage in a lightsaber duel, Vader is basically fending off Obi-Wan using only ONE hand on his saber.  Like, Vader kicked Obi-Wan's ass and he wasn't even really trying.
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Post by: Dave on June 3, 2022, 02:38 PM
One other thing.  NED-B.

He's a fine droid concept, but I didn't like the portrayal of the role.  It seemed too fluid - like a human in a big 1950s robot suit.

C-3PO, K-2SO, and L3-37 all were great portrayals with mechanical movements.

I'm not sure if NED-B should have been all CGI, or if they just needed someone who could do "the robot" in a robot suit.
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Post by: Jedi Idej on June 3, 2022, 05:17 PM
Something is up with NED-B. They emphasized twice that he's just a loader droid and doesn't communicate. Yet clutching a hammer behind his back, presumably ready to bash the stormtrooper that confronted him, suggests he has a heightened sense of self preservation, an unlikely feature of a loader droid.

Curious about the name. Until I hear different, I want to believe it's in honor of Ned Beatty.

Someone mentioned the name drops. Saw a YouTube  vid surmising about the mother and son heading to Corellia (part2). Both characters are named in imdb. The boy is Corran and mom is Nyche. Corellia + Corran + Nyche = Corran Horn spotting?
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Post by: Dave on June 3, 2022, 06:42 PM
He's a fine droid concept, but I didn't like the portrayal of the role.  It seemed too fluid - like a human in a big 1950s robot suit.

Unless Quinlan Vos is hiding in a NED-B suit and its supposed to look like a humanoid in disguise.
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Post by: Diddly on June 3, 2022, 06:45 PM
Ugh, I guess I am the only one who REALLY did not like last nightís episode. I feel like there are two things at odds with each other going on in this show. One, the internal plots and characters and events, but more importantly how all of this activity dovetails with the rest of the movies.

They are doing an ok job with #1 but #2 is really starting to bother me. I wonít go more into it than that for now, but man, so much revisionist stuff happening.

You are not the only one. I'll delve into more spoilery thoughts later, but while I thought the episode was better than 2, it still left me wondering what the writing staff was thinking. It really felt like a first draft script at times.

And are the tax breaks really that much that Disney will forego creativity in favor of shooting in what is obviously California?
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Post by: McMetal on June 3, 2022, 07:31 PM
So hereís some of what I meant about how the revisionism negatively impacts the established canon:

1) Leia having this not at all forgettable adventure with Obi-Wan, and it never comes up in ANH? Are they going to wipe her memory or something? Because it makes her holo message seem weird now. You served my father in the Clone Wars is a far cry from remember when you saved me from those Inquisitors 8 years ago, or whatever.

2) Grand Inquisitor still dead. At least show him floating in a bacta tank or getting cloned or something!

3) this is the one that just kills me, that duel, IMHO, horribly undercuts and essentially renders meaningless one of my favorite Vader lines from ANH about how last time they met, Obi-Wan was the Master, but now he is. Now itís more like, the last time we met, I totally wiped the floor with you and made you look like a sad broken old man.  ::)

That duel should also have been the penultimate climax of Episode 6, not a stopping point halfway through. And then Vader just gives up at the end of the episode when OBW is right in front of him practically defeated? Like he couldnít have snuffed out those flames using the Force? I think that ending could have been scripted a little more effectively.

I did love the Quinlan Vos reference! And seeing the Fortress finally was cool.
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Post by: GrandMoffNick on June 3, 2022, 07:55 PM
That's a pretty big assumption that they won't battle again with Ben a bit more on top of his game
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Post by: Dave on June 3, 2022, 09:09 PM
3) this is the one that just kills me, that duel, IMHO, horribly undercuts and essentially renders meaningless one of my favorite Vader lines from ANH about how last time they met, Obi-Wan was the Master, but now he is. Now itís more like, the last time we met, I totally wiped the floor with you and made you look like a sad broken old man.  ::)

This is maybe my biggest concern.  Its a totally awesome line in ANH and I sure hope there is another meeting where Obi-Wan has re-found his mojo and lops off a few mechanical limbs before Vader escapes again.

There are different plot points they could have used to have Obi-Wan evade/escape without a formal duel.

I'm more okay with the Leia thing for now as Leia perceives Obi-Wan's loyalty to her father as the reason he is there.  But again, I think there are other ways they could do this plot without having Leia be so enmeshed in it.  Leia could have been the bait that drew out Obi-Wan and now its just the Inquisitors and Vader hunting him without Leia still being involved.
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Post by: Jeff on June 3, 2022, 11:29 PM
Re: Leia's hologram:  In the holo-message, she starts out all cool and formal with "General Kenobi" but ends with help ME, Obi-Wan, you're MY only hope.  Not help us or help my father.  Help ME.  Seems like she had some kind of reason to think he'd be willing to do it for her.

Re: Obi-Wan vs. Vader, I'm willing to let the rest of the show play out before I judge that.  Like, there could be another duel coming where Obi-Wan draws on Qui-Gon for help and does some crazy stuff to escape Vader and Vader realizes he still has things to learn or whatever.

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Post by: Diddly on June 4, 2022, 09:29 AM
Like he couldnít have snuffed out those flames using the Force? I think that ending could have been scripted a little more effectively.

This was so stupid to me. Like, Vader puts the flames out with the Force... then 30 seconds later he can't do it a second time? Just stands there when he could have done a Lightsaber throw or something?

The only thing stupider was that shot of Obi-Wan running away from Vader, to the side behind the hill. Then they cut to Obi-Wan running back to the same spot like he forgot his cell phone, but they pretend it's a different area. I'm pretty sure they didn't even bother moving the camera or changing the background
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Post by: GrandMoffNick on June 4, 2022, 10:33 AM
I was not as impressed with this episode as much as I was expecting based off of other's reactions before I watched. But man there's a lot of nit picking going on. Especially with three episodes left to answer some questions/fit things in more to what follows in the OT. I don't get it.
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Post by: Diddly on June 4, 2022, 03:15 PM
I'm seeing rumors that they're now planning for a second season, so who knows where things go now
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Post by: Mister Skeezler on June 4, 2022, 09:18 PM
Honestly if you could have reached into my mind from 1979 onward, that's the Darth Vader I imagined hunting down the Jedi before ANH. I was disappointed that ROTS didn't feature a full cybernetic Vader doing what he does in this latest episode. That's the Vader I had nightmares about.

We'll see what happens in the next episode, but I got the impression Vader isn't all that concerned that Kenobi got away for now. He seemed to know where he was through the whole pursuit, and there's supposed to be no way off planet. He's already gravely injured Kenobi, and plans to hunt him all over the imperial-controlled planet he's stuck on.

My thought is now that Vader knows Kenobi had help from the town, will he use their suffering to draw him out. And he also now has Leia, so Obi Wan will have no choice but to put on his big Jedi pants and confront Vader. I want to see why Vader uses the line "Obi Wan once thought as you do..." The dueling is always appreciated, but I want to see some of the emotional drama between the two that didn't come across in ROTS. And I didn't see that exchange as a fight, I just saw it as Vader beating the crap out of Obi Wan for his own enjoyment. Obi Wan didn't have the upper hand or even an actual defense other than "run for my ******* life" during that. It was not a duel...it was Vader being sadistic, and enjoying it.
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Post by: Rob on June 4, 2022, 10:58 PM
Finally got to watch it.  Loved it. 

Six episodes is definitely going to leave me wanting more.
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Post by: Matt_Fury on June 6, 2022, 11:36 AM
I agree with what you guys are saying - I think Ben has pretty much cut himself off from the Force to help hide. (or maybe out of guilt).  Like Nick said, maybe he's worried that using the force makes him more open to detection by other force-sensitives?  I think Obi-Wan straining to catch Leia when she was falling was trying to show us that he's just not "fluent" in the force anymore, for lack of a better term.

I thought that point was really driven home in Episode 3 - Vader points out how weak Obi-Wan has become over the years.  When they finally engage in a lightsaber duel, Vader is basically fending off Obi-Wan using only ONE hand on his saber.  Like, Vader kicked Obi-Wan's ass and he wasn't even really trying.

I think you are on the right track Jeff.  There is definitely a Luke in the Last Jedi vibe to all of this.  In TLJ, Luke cut himself off from the force in order to not be tempted to get involved.  Like Flynn in Tron: Legacy, he was removing himself from the board.  The scene when Luke does reconnect to the force and he helps wake up Leia, he goes looking for Rey because he's ready to join the fight....when he sees Rey with Ben Solo, he freaks out again and goes back to his fear of acting because he doesn't want to make things worse.

I think Obi-Wan is on a similar journey in this series, but he will end up finding some sort of inner peace and resolve in order to make a better future by training Luke and Leia.


Curious about the name. Until I hear different, I want to believe it's in honor of Ned Beatty.


It will be confirmed if the droid squeals like a pig.   :o
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Post by: Muftak on June 6, 2022, 02:07 PM

I think Obi-Wan is on a similar journey in this series, but he will end up finding some sort of inner peace and resolve in order to make a better future by training Luke and Leia.


I think everything will get tied up in a bow when he gets his "training" from Qui-Gon (which they made sure to put in the prequel supercut before the first part) and he switches from using the Force like the Republic Jedi did, to following the Will of the Living Force as Qui-Gon did. If that happens in the next couple episodes, he could be super-charged for his next battle with Vader, and leave his apprentice feeling like he needs to "learn" something new.

Or if they don't, it goes to explaining why once we catch back up with Ben 10 years later, he is as chill as he is--living with 2 lightsabers right under the roof of his publicly-known home, and ready to charter a ship and get back into the fight at the drop of a hat. It will be quite the change in attitude once he starts using the Living Force as his guide.

I have a ton to say about Vader and his actions from part 3 as well, but I want to see what he does next to clarify if he was supposed to have been stymied when Ben got away or if that was all intentional.

For some of the production clunky I am really enjoying the character beats in this so far!
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Post by: Jedi Idej on June 6, 2022, 08:16 PM


Curious about the name. Until I hear different, I want to believe it's in honor of Ned Beatty.


It will be confirmed if the droid squeals like a pig.   :o

 :-X
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Post by: P-Siddy on June 8, 2022, 04:39 PM
Pretty interesting episode.  Some nitpicks but again, but just trying to ignore it and enjoy it.

I'll try to be vague about things so as to avoid spoilers.

I loved seeing a certain ship involved in the episode in a new environment.
One previously released figure made its live-action debut.
A Clone Wars character also makes his "live-action" debut
The front of Tala's Imperial shuttle definitely looked inspired by another sci-fi show's toasters.
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Post by: Dave on June 10, 2022, 10:44 AM
Week 4 spoiler time ****




This week's episode was fine, but didn't really move the story along or develop the characters much.  I guess Obi-Wan's force powers started to come back more, Leia got rescued and a tracker got placed, but there could have been much simpler/faster ways to hit those plot points.  It was a "fun" adventure without any overly "dumb" moments.

It was fun seeing Purge Troopers and (snow)speeders in action.

I am curious about the tomb of Jedi at the bottom of the fortress.  Is it really just a tomb / trophy room, or might they be using the Jedi's DNA for more nefarious activities?

Part of me hopes that Tala survives another twenty years or so and can run in to Din Djarin and they can have a Game of Thrones reunion.
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Post by: Nicklab on June 10, 2022, 11:50 AM
I got a different sense of things.  I feel like Obi-Wan was re-discovering himself.  From using the Force to draw that one piece of equipment towards him, to his infiltration of Fortress Inquisitorius. 

The tomb was chilling.  Especially seeing the first Jedi that Obi-Wan spots - Tera Sinube.  And then as he walks further through the room, it appears that some of them might just be people who were Force sensitive but never became Jedi.  And then the last one?  It seemed to bring it all the way around to Obi-Wan's discovery of the security recordings in the Jedi Temple on Coruscant.  Looking at them, it seemed like they had all been frozen in amber.  And it also gave me the sense that warehousing the captured Jedi like this might be part of the long term project of producing a Force sensitive clone at the behest of the Emporer.

I think Indira Varma has been brilliant as Tala.  The way she navigates the Imperial hierarchy was so masterful, from the way she dressed down the security officer to the way she deceived Reva.  And seeing her shuttle was cool, too.  For once we saw a pretty utilitarian Imperial shuttle - a basic transport.  And it looked a bit like a cross between the cockpit of the Zeta class cargo shuttles from ROGUE ONE, and the Phantom from STAR WARS REBELS.

There's just one nitpick that I've had about the last two episodes.  And it has to do with Obi-Wan's lightsaber.  It's REALLY bright!  And the shade of blue is pretty deep.  This is one place where I find it a little distracting.  I can certainly bear in mind that he's been using it in dark environments, and that's a consideration to keep in mind.  But I'm also cognizant that as a production technique the shows have been using the lightsabers as an on-set lighting source.  That was abundantly clear in the episode from season 2 of The Mandalorian, "The Jedi", with Ahsoka's lightsabers in most of her fighting scenes.  I think this is part of what makes the pace of production on these shows faster - on-set lighting techniques like the new lightsabers means less time in post-production and visual effects.  But fine tuning that practical lighting element might be in order for future projects.
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Post by: Matt_Fury on June 10, 2022, 12:32 PM
Other than Tera Sinube (he was the Jedi Master that helped younglings get their first kyber crystal on Illum), the only one I think that was meant to be recognized was the woman who was the wife of Ice-Cube's son mentioned before they went to the Fortress Inquisitorious.  BTW, it's clear that the writers played Jedi Fallen Order because they pretty much hit all the beats of that level in the game!  Not a complaint....it was awesome to see as well as the Force Unleashed callback of Obi-Wan taking out the Stormtroopers in the dark.

I was surprised to see so many critiques online that this was a filler episode.  I don't see it that way at all.  Thoroughly enjoying this show and can't wait to see what happens next.
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Post by: Nicklab on June 10, 2022, 01:16 PM
Filler?  Thatís a bunch of bull**** if I ever heard it.  This episode advanced a number of plot lines.  Obi-Wan coming back into his own after his confrontation with Vader.  Revaís ambition and the backstabbing between the Inquisitors.  And a discovery of Leiaís true strength, even as a child. 
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Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on June 10, 2022, 01:54 PM
The toxic negativity of every online fandom is almost suffocating. 
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Post by: Mister Skeezler on June 13, 2022, 09:28 AM
The toxic negativity of every online fandom is almost suffocating.

Truth!
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Post by: Nicklab on June 13, 2022, 10:41 AM
Sites like this are a stark contrast to the social media "hot takes".  I see far more reasoned conversations about new media and it's refreshing.

As for where the series goes in the next episode?  It feels pretty wide open, and I'm excited to see how things develop - bright lightsabers or not!
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Post by: McMetal on June 13, 2022, 03:34 PM
 Nobody gonna say anything about the Little Rascals move of slipping Leia under the trench coat?  ;D

Iíll admit, I didnít really bat an eye at it but Twitter was not amused lol.
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Post by: Matt_Fury on June 13, 2022, 04:23 PM
Nobody gonna say anything about the Little Rascals move of slipping Leia under the trench coat?  ;D

Iíll admit, I didnít really bat an eye at it but Twitter was not amused lol.

I thought it worked well.  There's a technique to hide in a crowd called being the grey man.  The point is that you wear similar clothes to the average person, don't do anything to stand out and you are able to move through a crown unnoticed.  People tend to look for differences.  Obi-Wan wearing the hat and coat could be enough for him to not stand out too much.  Walking through that crowd with a kid by your side would get you noticed, but having her hide under the coat takes that away.
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Post by: Jedi Idej on June 13, 2022, 06:08 PM
Nobody gonna say anything about the Little Rascals move of slipping Leia under the trench coat?  ;D

Iíll admit, I didnít really bat an eye at it but Twitter was not amused lol.

Twittter, reddit, everywhere, it seems like. Probably 2nd in criticism only to Vader and Obi Wan's first meeting since Mustafar. (Never mind the remaining parts in this series and 10 years before their DS battle for another duel to take place.)

As for Leia and Ben going unnoticed in their walk through a crowd of Imperials, I chalked it up to Obi Wan using Jedi mind tricks. Not soft-tossed to us, but we already know how persuasive he can be.
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Post by: Mister Skeezler on June 14, 2022, 09:49 AM
Meh...I've seen worse disguises.

(https://i.gifer.com/Aksq.gif)
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Post by: Dave on June 15, 2022, 10:47 PM
I thought this weekís episode was by far the best.   :D
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Post by: Matt_Fury on June 15, 2022, 11:42 PM
Me watching Episode V:

 :o
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Post by: P-Siddy on June 16, 2022, 09:15 AM
The twist was predictable, though.
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Post by: GrandMoffNick on June 16, 2022, 09:18 AM
I'm not sure it was predictable as much as they hint/told us it was going to happen.
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Post by: Matt_Fury on June 16, 2022, 09:33 AM
Not to get spoilery yet, but it looks like they closed a plot hole the usual suspects were complaining about.
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Post by: Mister Skeezler on June 16, 2022, 10:00 AM
They found a really great way to keep little Leia out of the action scenes, which would have made it clunky. Really great episode. I watched it twice (once with my wife and again with my wife and the kids) and then we all watched the last 10-ish minutes again. You know the part I'm talking about.
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Post by: P-Siddy on June 16, 2022, 10:14 AM
I'm not sure it was predictable as much as they hint/told us it was going to happen.

There was more to it.
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Post by: Nicklab on June 16, 2022, 11:10 AM
The flashback certainly added some context to one particular scene in the prequels, and the friction between Anakin and Obi-Wan at that time.  And the concept of scenes and interactions rhyming through the years got played out in a single episode of the series.

It was great to get some payoff to the opening scene of the series, along with the revelation from the second episode, where Obi-Wan learned that Anakin survived.  The final act of this episode tied all of that up, along with Reva's deeper motivations.  The way it showed just how powerful Vader has become was stunning, and it illustrated why those around Vader feared him so much.

I think the tag of the episode and something from the 4th chapter of the series also show that one character is not out of commission just yet.
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Post by: Nicklab on June 16, 2022, 01:55 PM
Over in the Obi-Wan Wednesday thread I didn't realize that the whole 4-LOM vs 1-JAC thing was such A THING.

I'm still pretty happy to see callbacks like this to the OT, especially the bounty hunters.  IIRC, the Legends backstory for 4-LOM was that the droid had been a protocol droid that was somehow re-programmed and became a bounty hunter, and partnered up with Zuckuss.

There are some distinct differences between the two droids - the differing weapons, and the holsters and bandolier on 1-JAC.  The idea of this model of droid being a "Bounty Droid", as Din Djarin referred to IG-11, seems to expand the world of Star Wars a bit.
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Post by: Mister Skeezler on June 16, 2022, 02:30 PM
Over in the Obi-Wan Wednesday thread I didn't realize that the whole 4-LOM vs 1-JAC thing was such A THING.

I'm still pretty happy to see callbacks like this to the OT, especially the bounty hunters.  IIRC, the Legends backstory for 4-LOM was that the droid had been a protocol droid that was somehow re-programmed and became a bounty hunter, and partnered up with Zuckuss.

There are some distinct differences between the two droids - the differing weapons, and the holsters and bandolier on 1-JAC.  The idea of this model of droid being a "Bounty Droid", as Din Djarin referred to IG-11, seems to expand the world of Star Wars a bit.

Yeah I like the idea that there were hunter droids and bounty hunting was constantly being automated. It makes the idea that the organic bounty hunters had to be that much better because someone was always looking to come up with a cheaper option using droids.

To be honest, I was never really a big fan of 4-LOM's backstory, and I thought IG-88's backstory was absolute, unsalvageable ****.
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Post by: Nicklab on June 16, 2022, 03:35 PM
Over in the Obi-Wan Wednesday thread I didn't realize that the whole 4-LOM vs 1-JAC thing was such A THING.

I'm still pretty happy to see callbacks like this to the OT, especially the bounty hunters.  IIRC, the Legends backstory for 4-LOM was that the droid had been a protocol droid that was somehow re-programmed and became a bounty hunter, and partnered up with Zuckuss.

There are some distinct differences between the two droids - the differing weapons, and the holsters and bandolier on 1-JAC.  The idea of this model of droid being a "Bounty Droid", as Din Djarin referred to IG-11, seems to expand the world of Star Wars a bit.

Yeah I like the idea that there were hunter droids and bounty hunting was constantly being automated. It makes the idea that the organic bounty hunters had to be that much better because someone was always looking to come up with a cheaper option using droids.

To be honest, I was never really a big fan of 4-LOM's backstory, and I thought IG-88's backstory was absolute, unsalvageable ****.

I think the bit in bold font could be said for A LOT of the old Legends material!  Especially this fascination with the unending number of character names that were chocked full of apostrophes.
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Post by: Mister Skeezler on June 17, 2022, 10:30 AM
Agreed!

And the biggest offender for me: the Yuzhan Vong. Not everyone will agree with me, but I'll go to my grave saying that whoever created the Yuzhan Vong concept can go eat a Yuzhan Dong.

Let's also not forget that the official name for the cantina music was "**** music." Who the hell let that through?

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Post by: P-Siddy on June 17, 2022, 01:30 PM
I just learned that the character Tetha Grig, the woman who was trying to sell Obi-Wan spice on Daiyu, is Esther-Rose McGregor, Ewan's daughter.  Kind of funny that she tells him she was once someone's daughter before she ended up on Daiyu.
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Post by: Dave on June 19, 2022, 11:43 AM
Overall I really liked the episode with the flashbacks, the action, the twists.

I donít know how much of the Anakin/Obi-Wan flashbacks duels were deep fake and how much were actually filmed, but it looked pretty good.

The only thing that Iíve really got a gripe with is people surviving being run through with a lightsaber.  Qui-Gon died in seconds, and that is the way it should be.  The Grand Inquisitor and Reva should both be dead.  If the writers want to be twisty and have people survive battles, they should survive a blaster shot or an explosion.

Or if its common to survive a lightsaber stabbing, then the wielders should slice and cause more damage.  Just kinda dumb.
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Post by: GrandMoffNick on June 19, 2022, 12:30 PM
Wouldn't being run through with a lightsaber be just like taking a bullet? Depends on what it hits on way through? I agree therefore after 1st "stab" you should go in for 2nd, 5ths, Xths.
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Post by: P-Siddy on June 19, 2022, 07:06 PM
I haven't gone back and rewatched it, but did Vader skewer her with both of her lightsabers or was it just with one?  If he used both, I was thinking he might reuse his Dooku method of splitting her in half... but Reva still has a role to play so that wouldn't work.

I agree therefore after 1st "stab" you should go in for 2nd, 5ths, Xths.

Especially, considering it was Vader who embraces his anger, you'd think he'd have gone for those 2nds, 5ths, etc.  At least until he was satisfied.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on June 19, 2022, 07:34 PM
Vader didn't finish her because to do so would have been a mercy, and mercy isn't the way of the sith. Reva has spent her whole life plotting revenge against him, and she just took her only shot, only to discover Vader knew the entire time who she was and what she was planning. He then proceeded to utterly humiliate her, showing her with no shadow of a doubt that she never stood a chance and never will, not even considering her enough of a threat to bother drawing his own lightsaber against her. Now he's left her gravely, but not fatally wounded, utterly beaten, and denied the only thing she truly wants. Just like him. Now she has to live knowing not only did she fail, but she will never succeed, she will never have what she wants most, because she never was, and never will be powerful enough to take him on. She has to live with that now. Just like him. She has nothing left now, her thirst for vengeance will never be satiated. All she has now is her hate, and by letting her live, it will consume her. Killing her  would have been putting her out of her misery, and that isn't a very Sith thing to do. Letting her live and abandoning her there is the cruelest thing he could have done to her.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: McMetal on June 19, 2022, 08:56 PM
Thatís a good explanation Greedo, but I still feel like there is no way he would have left her alive. Iím hard pressed to think of anyone else who crossed him that didnít end up dead. I felt like that was purely a plot device to string this out one more episode.

I still donít get what happened at the end really. Was one ship inside of the other one? Or just behind it? And you know, this really makes you wonder why he didnít just pull the Falcon back on HothÖ
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on June 19, 2022, 09:38 PM
I still donít get what happened at the end really. Was one ship inside of the other one? Or just behind it? And you know, this really makes you wonder why he didnít just pull the Falcon back on HothÖ

I was confused the first time too.  I re-watched it and there is another ship behind it in the hangar.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Jedi Idej on June 19, 2022, 10:44 PM
Vader didn't finish her because to do so would have been a mercy, and mercy isn't the way of the sith.

Yes! In Rebels (spoilers??)
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I believe this is why Vader let Obi Wan go. There was no need to imprison him. Always having to watch his back for an inqusitor, or dodging imperials... His existence would be torture.

I did raise an eyebrow after Vader threatened Reva in an earlier part/episode that he would off her before she can regret failing. But it's clear that was just his musings.

And you know, this really makes you wonder why he didnít just pull the Falcon back on HothÖ

I thought the same, but of Leia's ship at the end of Rogue One. I figure he's 10 years older by then and the Falcon and corvette were probably more powerful than the transport.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Rob on June 19, 2022, 11:24 PM

I thought the same, but of Leia's ship at the end of Rogue One. I figure he's 10 years older by then and the Falcon and corvette were probably more powerful than the transport.

ButÖ but didnít Yoda tell Luke that levitating a rock and X-Wing were the exact same thing?
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Jedi Idej on June 20, 2022, 01:31 AM

I thought the same, but of Leia's ship at the end of Rogue One. I figure he's 10 years older by then and the Falcon and corvette were probably more powerful than the transport.

ButÖ but didnít Yoda tell Luke that levitating a rock and X-Wing were the exact same thing?

That swamp gnome done lost his mind after 20+ years communing with mud and twigs.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Mister Skeezler on June 20, 2022, 11:17 AM
I just chalk it up to him being much closer to the transport than he was to the Falcon or the Blockade Runner. Plus they were moving faster.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: P-Siddy on June 20, 2022, 11:53 AM
I just chalk it up to him being much closer to the transport than he was to the Falcon or the Blockade Runner. Plus they were moving faster.

Pfft.  Han just didn't believe in the Force at the time so those old sorcerer's tricks wouldn't work on him.  ;)
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Mister Skeezler on June 22, 2022, 01:31 PM
I just chalk it up to him being much closer to the transport than he was to the Falcon or the Blockade Runner. Plus they were moving faster.

Pfft.  Han just didn't believe in the Force at the time so those old sorcerer's tricks wouldn't work on him.  ;)

Yeah, it was all simple tricks and nonsense!
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Tracy on June 22, 2022, 03:42 PM
I just fan-girled the 💩 out of that finale  ;D
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on June 23, 2022, 10:15 AM
The opening shot of the episode was beautiful and a tremendous cinematic homage to ANH.  Beyond that?  I was really taken with the entire episode.  I have to watch it again before I can adequately comment.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Matt_Fury on June 23, 2022, 07:13 PM
I just fan-girled the 💩 out of that finale  ;D

Holy ****!  Welcome back Tracy!

I thoroughly enjoyed this series.  The finale was awesome!  This show was everything I wanted it to be and more.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Diddly on June 23, 2022, 08:35 PM
I'll be honest, I really hated the first half of the series and couldn't even gather the strength to watch episodes 4 and 5... until I finally decided to binge the last 3 episodes last night. I didn't really care for it at all. I guess I was expecting something more simple, like Obi-Wan having to save the Lars family from some Tuskens and having to face the guilt of slaughtering a tribe like Anakin did. Instead we got a ripoff of Jedi: Fallen Order for most of the series, with the added bonus of Obi-Wan coming off as a jerk (leaving the Lars alone after someone with a lightsaber attacks them!) and Bail Organa coming off as the galaxy's biggest idiot (WHAT WAS THAT TRANSMISSION ABOUT LUKE'S LOCATION?!?!?). Oh and Qui Gon looks dumb too, because who knew you could survive a lightsaber stabbing by thinking about revenge?

I guess I need some time to process things
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: GrandMoffNick on June 23, 2022, 09:08 PM
"You couldn't gather the strength to watch episodes 4 and 5?" Jesus Christ. Again so much hyperbole and drama.

I loved the finale. I'll give the show a B overall. The show was exactly what I expected. We should also all know that's how SW fans determine what's good and what sucks. Whether it fits our expectations. I think I would have been very bored with your version Diddly.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on June 24, 2022, 09:28 AM
Episode 6 commentary:
- I thought the finale was mostly excellent. 
- I was expecting something a little different, but ultimately liked the battle between Kenobi and Vader.  I really liked the dialog at the end of the battle about Darth killing Anakin, and wished they had even more discussion.
- I didn't like the quick timing of Reva's instant recovery from a lightsaber stab and flying to Tatooine. At first I thought we were going to get disjointed timelines and they were just showing them side by side for dramatic effect.  Ultimately it was fine but I wish they would have spaced these events out further.
- I had a flashback to The Last Jedi and am a little bugged by the Star Destroyer vs. transport battle.  The Star Destroyer managed to track down, disable, and capture the Tantavie IV without much trouble but couldn't do that with a transport?  I get it that its a plot device, but I wish they would find something a little more plausible if they need more than a few seconds for the story to play out.
- I liked how they wrapped things up with Leia, Luke, Owen, Bail, and Kenobi.  Luke/Ben still don't have much of a relationship.  Leia is stronger and still independent.  Kenobi has refound his Jedi mojo.

Series commentary:
Overall I enjoyed it.  There were some uneven parts and goofy things early on, but ultimately it was entertaining and far better than BoBF.  I'd probably give it 4 out of 5 stars and I had fairly high expectations going in.  Sure it could have been more complex, more clever, and developed the characters more, but it was still a fun ride and a solid effort. 

Its gotta be tough writing a story around such key, core characters without messing with the canon.  We know everyone survives, so creating tension and drama was probably a challenge.  The Andor series will have a lot more room to operate, but we still know he doesn't die in the series.  Ultimately creating all new characters like The Mandalorian and Grogu is a challenge, but is probably the most interesting as the writers have tons a freedom and we're never quite sure what is going to happen to the lead characters.

I'm not sure if they've talked about a second season for Kenobi or if this is it.  I wouldn't mind another season with another adventure (ideally without Leia and Luke), but would be totally okay if this is how they left the Kenobi story line.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Jeff on June 24, 2022, 09:59 AM
Overall, I liked the Kenobi show.  I'd give it an A but I know I'm a soft grader for new Star Wars shows.


We should also all know that's how SW fans determine what's good and what sucks. Whether it fits our expectations.

Pretty much.  I had really mixed feelings when this show was announced.  I really wanted to see more Ewan Kenobi, but my 'head canon' was that Obi-Wan was just hiding on Tatooine, watching over Luke...

I'm kinda torn on Kenobi.  On one hand, I'd like to see Ewan reprise the role for a new movie about old Ben...  but on the other hand, what does he do?

I've always kind of imagined he just lived out his days in the desert, studying Jedi stuff and watching over Luke.  I just assumed he never really did much because why would he?

In the end, I'm glad they went the direction they did.  I'd give the Reva/Inquisitor stuff a B, but the Obi-Wan/Anakin stuff was A+++ for me.  Like Dave said, I wish there had been a bit more talk between them but it really helped frame up the final rematch in ANH as well as putting a new spin on a few other things - Obi-Wan didn't lie to Luke, he was just repeating what Vader himself said about who killed Luke's father. :P


- I had a flashback to The Last Jedi and am a little bugged by the Star Destroyer vs. transport battle.  The Star Destroyer managed to track down, disable, and capture the Tantavie IV without much trouble but couldn't do that with a transport?

I'm ok with that because I thought Tantive was disabled in some way - doesn't C-3PO say something about the main reactor being shut-down?
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: GrandMoffNick on June 24, 2022, 10:15 AM
Off the top of my head the timeline for Reva to get from Vader leaving her to Tatooine was as terrible as it gets, but I liked her arc so whatever. Though that's risky by Obi-Wan to assume she won't have another change of heart.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on June 24, 2022, 10:30 AM
I've watched the 6th episode three times now.  And I continue to be floored by it.  It generated such intense emotion for me as a viewer, despite the fact that we know that both Obi-Wan and Darth Vader survive and carry on to the events of A New Hope.

For the series as a whole?  It was puzzling at first to see how the series opened with the scene at the Jedi Temple as the Clone Troopers attacked the younglings and their teacher.  But that scene gained more power and gravity as the series developed and we learned that Reva was one of those younglings, and that she encountered Anakin Skywalker that night and barely escaped with her life.  Her story grew more compelling over the course of the series.  Especially when Obi-Wan was able to connect with her through The Force and discover her true intentions - to seek revenge against Darth Vader.  I think Moses Ingram played this so very well, and I think the payoff for Reva's character seeing flashbacks of herself in an unconscious Luke brought it all around as she finally confronted her own pain and guilt. 

That concept of guilt was very powerful through the series.  It didn't become apparent until episode 5 that guilt was part of Reva's motivation.  But it was an extremely powerful undercurrent for Obi-Wan through the entire story arc.  He seemed to be going through the motions of his life on Tatooine, just doing what he needed to survive.  When he tried to do something nice for Luke and Owen confronted him, he struck one of the most painful blows of all.  When Ben said that when Luke was old enough he should be trained and Owen said "Like you trained his father?"  It was like a gut punch.  Bail Organa was able to play upon that guilt in order to snap Obi-Wan into action.  The guilt reared it's head again on Mapuzo as Obi-Wan had a vision of Anakin in the distance, and then during his confrontation with Vader.  When Vader said "I am what you made me" it had to run through Obi-Wan as a profound moment of pain, which was only punctuated by the thrashing he suffered at Vader's hand.

The flashback to Obi-Wan and Anakin's sparring session was enlightening.  It showed that those dark undercurrents were already there with Anakin, and perhaps Obi-Wan was reliving some of his regrets about how he might have failed his padawan.  But I really like how it also illustrated how Obi-Wan could get into Anakin's (and Darth Vader's) head.  Plus it was great to see the echoes of their fighting styles between that flashback and their confrontation in the final episode.  And that's where everything got tied up, isn't it?  After Obi-Wan had thoroughly disabled Darth Vader, revealing some of the face of Anakin Skywalker, their conversation was the moment that Obi-Wan truly needed.  Obi-Wan had blamed himself for Anakin's fall and apologized to him.  To have Vader say that it was he that killed Anakin was a profound moment.  Anakin had made his choices.  And in a way Vader absolved Obi-Wan of his guilt.

There were some things in that final episode that were flooring.  In ANH I had always kind of written off Owen and Beru as farmers who were likely helpless when the Stormtrooper came to the farm.  But they were so fierce in defending Luke in this episode!  Someone had said this around the time that the series was coming out, that they were glad that George Lucas had cast Joel Edgerton as a young Owen Lars.  And now I know why, because he was fantastic!  And Bonnie Piesse was ready to kick some ass as Beru, because Luke was their boy.  They weren't going to let him be harmed.

And that duel.  OMG - which I found myself saying out loud when Obi-Wan summoned all of his Force abilities and pummeled Vader with all of those boulders!  It makes you chuckle about lines like "The Force isn't just about lifting rocks".  And then there were moments that harkened back to ANH, like when Obi-Wan pointed his lightsaber very directly at Vader.  Departing the scene calling him "Darth" was another.  That consciousness of tying things like that together from a story perspective really struck me.

I almost felt like the episode might have suffered from too many endings.  But I was so glad to see Obi-Wan visit Alderaan.  His conversation with Leia was a beautiful way for him to let her know about her parents.  And for her to end the conversation with the same line that Anakin spoke to Shmi Skywalker in EPISODE I?  Wow.

Seeing Vader confer with the Emperor was a bit of a surprise.  Because he was put in his place.  He seemed obsessed with pursuing Obi-Wan, but Palpatine seemed to reign him in.  Did Palpatine foresee the possibility of a conflict within his apprentice?  Or was this him manipulating him yet again?

I was also struck by how much power came from costume choices.  When the series began Obi-Wan was content to be low profile.  His appearance when he left for Daiyu seemed to mark a progression back to embracing the way he had attired himself as a Jedi, but only gradually.  When he encountered the people of The Path, he took more steps towards how he had dressed as a Jedi Master, but his clothes were dark.  Was it a reflection of the Dark Times?  His mood?  Or a mourning for the loss of all of the Jedi?  But following his confrontation with Vader he seemed almost reborn to the light, and he seemed to embrace dressing as he had as a Jedi when he finally returned to Tatooine.  The costume department also made some interesting choices for the final couple of scenes, and I think the Mythos look for Obi-Wan in exile on Tatooine factored in there.

That final scene?  It was certainly expected.  But it was still far more emotional than I would have anticipated.  And a beautiful way to end the series.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on June 24, 2022, 10:35 AM
- I had a flashback to The Last Jedi and am a little bugged by the Star Destroyer vs. transport battle.  The Star Destroyer managed to track down, disable, and capture the Tantavie IV without much trouble but couldn't do that with a transport?

I'm ok with that because I thought Tantive was disabled in some way - doesn't C-3PO say something about the main reactor being shut-down?
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I think C-3PO says that after the explosion occurs on the outside of the Tantavie IV when the ship is being attacked by the Star Destroyer. 

I just think there are other ways you can dramatically have this play out that are less hokey.  Maybe the hyperdrive dies after only a few seconds and you only get the transport to the other side of the sector and the Star Destroyer has to hunt a bit to find you.  It gives time for the dialog to play out and forces Obi-Wan to take the drop ship to draw Vader away.

One area that I'm still not sure about is the Emperor / Vader dialog where the Emperor tells Vader to chill.  Vader is obsessed but The Emperor doesn't seem to care much about the threat of Kenobi.  Is this just The Emperor exerting control?  Is Vader really losing it?  Is Kenobi not a threat and there are more important things to focus on?

One line that still bugs me and I expected it to play out in this series was what Tarkin says about Kenobi on the Death Star, "Surely he must be dead by now".  I thought Kenobi was going to stay buried in the rocks and sneak away, or there would be some large explosion/battle that Kenobi miraculously survives when everyone thought he was dead.  ANH only takes place eight years later (or so) and there wouldn't be any reason to think Kenobi would have died.  He's not old enough to die naturally and if he can best Vader then there isn't an Inquisitor that could begin to match him.  Let's hope there is a Kenobi season 2+ where this sort of thing plays out.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on June 24, 2022, 10:37 AM
I was also struck by how much power came from costume choices.  When the series began Obi-Wan was content to be low profile.  His appearance when he left for Daiyu seemed to mark a progression back to embracing the way he had attired himself as a Jedi, but only gradually.  When he encountered the people of The Path, he took more steps towards how he had dressed as a Jedi Master, but his clothes were dark.  Was it a reflection of the Dark Times?  His mood?  Or a mourning for the loss of all of the Jedi?  But following his confrontation with Vader he seemed almost reborn to the light, and he seemed to embrace dressing as he had as a Jedi when he finally returned to Tatooine.  The costume department also made some interesting choices for the final couple of scenes, and I think the Mythos look for Obi-Wan in exile on Tatooine factored in there.

Great commentary.  I sort of noticed this too, but didn't go back and really look at the details on the episode by episode evolution.

I do love the Mythos look for Obi-Wan and loved seeing him head off in to the desert in that outfit!
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: P-Siddy on June 24, 2022, 11:18 AM
I really can't agree with anything that's been said here about the series.  I thought it was well done.  Yes, I had my nit-picks (mainly that chase scene on Alderaan) but I would also give it an A.  It'd be interesting to see if they have a second season.  I can't imagine what else they could explore but I'm sure the writers can put something captivating and interesting out for us to enjoy.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on June 24, 2022, 11:27 AM
I can't imagine what else they could explore but I'm sure the writers can put something captivating and interesting out for us to enjoy.

There could always be more Inquisitors out to get Kenobi.  Maybe crime lords are making Tatooine too rough and Kenobi needs to make the place a bit safer for Luke.  Or maybe Kenobi unseats Maul from Black Sun leadership - that might be a fun series if Emilia Clarke wanted in for a reprise of Qi'ra.

I'm sure a good writer could come up with some good stuff if Ewan is game for another round.  I'm also good if they leave this at six episodes and move on.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on June 24, 2022, 11:45 AM
I was surprised when discussion surfaced about the possibility of a second season - especially from the cast!  I think their enjoyment making this series rekindled their love for the franchise.  Part of me also wonders about the impact of the Clone Wars animated series.  Did it register with Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen?  Did the way the characters were developed in that series deepen their appreciation for the characters?  Or did they perhaps want to revisit the characters to put their own stamp on Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader?

I think much of their desire to do this show and possibly go there again has to do with the way the show was made.  Using the Volume as a virtual set was a way for the actors to really immerse themselves into the galaxy far, far away.  I had gotten a sense for the past couple of decades from comments Ewan McGregor had made that the greenscreen technology made it much more challenging for him as an actor.  In the time before technology like the Volume was available I thought that answer was a copout.  But having seen the Behind the Scenes material from The Mandalorian about how game-changing the new technology has been for the crew as well as the actors changed my mind about that.  Immersion in that environment lends that much more authenticity to the process.  And when your creators are enjoying the process that much more, I think they're going to do better work.

But from a story perspective?  I feel like things were wrapped up rather well.  Where things go from here seems like it might be rather forced.  It took something incredibly serious for Obi-Wan to leave Tatooine - the abduction of Leia!  And Bail Organa making that personal appeal to Obi-Wan to save her.  That's the moment that set off the events of the entire series.

The story point that I think might make for a series of its own was the escape of Roken and the members of the Path network.  The Grand Inquisitor said it himself to Vader as Obi-Wan attempted to get the Star Destroyer to pursue him so that Roken and his crew could repair the ship and escape.  They could squash the network in that moment with one stroke.  And there was also the matter of Reva being on her own.  Where does she go now?  And of course there was the mention of Quinlan when Obi-Wan was in the safe house on Mapuzo.  These are the threads that seem like they have the most potential for a possible second season.  Which begs the question - how would Obi-Wan Kenobi fit into all of that?
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: P-Siddy on June 24, 2022, 01:12 PM
The story point that I think might make for a series of its own was the escape of Roken and the members of the Path network.  The Grand Inquisitor said it himself to Vader as Obi-Wan attempted to get the Star Destroyer to pursue him so that Roken and his crew could repair the ship and escape.  They could squash the network in that moment with one stroke.  And there was also the matter of Reva being on her own.  Where does she go now?  And of course there was the mention of Quinlan when Obi-Wan was in the safe house on Mapuzo.  These are the threads that seem like they have the most potential for a possible second season.  Which begs the question - how would Obi-Wan Kenobi fit into all of that?

This (Roken and The Path) might be an interesting story to follow and it could also include Reva in her redeemed arc leading the Force-sensitive/evading the Inquisitors.  I've heard rumors (don't recall from where so take it with a grain of salt) that Moses Ingram might get her own spin-off series so this could possibly be a route they go.  I think it would be nice to see more of the Inquisitors since I felt some of them could be explored more.  Perhaps Quilan could make an appearance?  But Ewan does a great Obi-Wan and I'd love to see him and Hayden pick up their roles again in the SW Universe.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Diddly on June 24, 2022, 04:49 PM
We should also all know that's how SW fans determine what's good and what sucks. Whether it fits our expectations. I think I would have been very bored with your version Diddly.

Thatís all fine with me, man. Frankly I was pretty underwhelmed by what we got with this series, and Iím pretty disappointed in how it ruins a lot of lore of the OT. Maybe by voicing my displeasure, one day the bar for good Star Wars content will be raised. Maybe not. Weíll see.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: GrandMoffNick on June 24, 2022, 05:13 PM
We should also all know that's how SW fans determine what's good and what sucks. Whether it fits our expectations. I think I would have been very bored with your version Diddly.

Thatís all fine with me, man. Frankly I was pretty underwhelmed by what we got with this series, and Iím pretty disappointed in how it ruins a lot of lore of the OT. Maybe by voicing my displeasure, one day the bar for good Star Wars content will be raised. Maybe not. Weíll see.

Yes the if I tell everyone how much it all sucks Disney will stop sucking reasoning for hating it all and telling us all how much you hate it. Your OWK take wouldn't bother me if you ever liked anything Star Wars. And again with the hyperbole. It was a six episode mini series. It didn't ruin any OT lore.

I apparently am too dumb to see how low the Star Wars bar you mention is

I'm then typically told I love everything Disney because I don't hate everything Disney.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Diddly on June 24, 2022, 07:36 PM
Yeah I sure am a self loathing Star Wars fan who hates everything Star Wars related! What with owning multiple copies of every movie across multiple media platforms, nearly 3 decades worth of collectibles in my possession, etc.

You clearly missed my earlier post where I said I enjoyed SOME things on the show, such as the interaction between Obi-Wan and Owen, and Obi-Wan seeing the homeless 501st on Not-Nar Shaddaa. I'm not sure why people like you just can't accept other people criticizing things. It's a TV SHOW. In addition to being enjoyed, it's meant to be criticized, analyzed, etc. And the best part is that it's subjective! I can feel free to say that the forest chase with Flea and Young Leia is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen in Star Wars, and you can feel free to disagree entirely! But people like you for whatever reason won't accept ANY criticism whatsoever, and you can't even defend this show without resorting to personal attacks. Why is that, I wonder?

Good lord do I miss the days where the biggest debate in Star Wars fandom was what color Han's coat is.

There are better TV shows and movies to watch, so I'll go seek those out instead. Just like there are better posters here on JediDefender who aren't pieces of **** like you are, GrandMoffNick. I'll go interact with them instead.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: GrandMoffNick on June 24, 2022, 08:56 PM
You'll clearly note I stated Disney Star Wars because of course you love pre Disney Star Wars or you wouldn't be here to post at all.

You can use your "I can't take any criticism" nonsense if you like. I'm more than happy to criticize too. There's plenty of criticism in this thread from everyone but youll notice i only felt the urge to say something as douchey as this to good old Diddly. If i think someone's criticism is without merit I'll say something. IE Dave's comment about lightsaber wounds, the idea that because in ep2 obi wan got destroyed by Vader it nullified vaders words on death star, etc but not with the (probably uncalled for) vitriol as my response to you. But when 95% of your posts are about how today's Star Wars sucks then that's my trigger. Or my lesser annoyance is the I'll only share my 50% dislike and never what I do like.

I wish Disney and Hasbro were doing a better job. But they aren't as terrible as you want them to be. The person ie you who loves the old stuff and only wants to hate the new stuff is the only thing that takes my joy from Star Wars so you and I will never get along. I don't need you to agree with me. But when I see Diddly posted something new and know it's gonna be about why this sucks or why it ruined Star Wars then yep I will always have a problem with that person.

I will agree with you that I am a crappy internet poster. It's so much easier to have a civil debate in person. My posts suck because they typically disagree with someone, but that's not the same as not being able to criticize or handle someone else's criticism.

I'm going to let this go as it's derailed this thread that's had some really good positive and negative thoughts today by a group of people who only ask for a low bar Star Wars show  (sorry the last part was me being an a$* again)
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Tracy on June 24, 2022, 09:59 PM
I just fan-girled the 💩 out of that finale  ;D

Holy ****!  Welcome back Tracy!

I thoroughly enjoyed this series.  The finale was awesome!  This show was everything I wanted it to be and more.
Thanks!  Missed you guys!
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on June 25, 2022, 11:33 AM
Watching Vader take shots from Obi-Wan's lightsaber and just losing chunks from his suit, I'm wondering why Vader's suit isn't beskar like The Mandalorian's?

The more I think about it the more it kinda bugs me that beskar is totally impenetrable to lightsabers.  Its fine in The Mandalorian series as there is really only a Darksaber involved, but why wouldn't Darth and Inquisitors be fitted with lots of beskar?

Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on June 25, 2022, 11:48 AM
Watching Vader take shots from Obi-Wan's lightsaber and just losing chunks from his suit, I'm wondering why Vader's suit isn't beskar like The Mandalorian's?

The more I think about it the more it kinda bugs me that beskar is totally impenetrable to lightsabers.  Its fine in The Mandalorian series as there is really only a Darksaber involved, but why wouldn't Darth and Inquisitors be fitted with lots of beskar?



Good question!

There's also the Zillo beast from The Clone Wars to consider.  Palpatine had it destroyed in part because it's scales were impervious to lightsabers.  The motivation there seems pretty obvious.

In the case of The Mandalorian, I got the sense that Din Djarin's armor is more durable than the armor of other Mandalorians because the plates are pure beskar.  The rest of my thoughts on this are pure supposition.  Such as the Empire would want to tightly control the supply of beskar given it's protective capabilities.  Perhaps that's how the Client had his supply?

As for Vader?  I think only so much of the suit is armored. I like how the shoulder armor was something that got worked into Anakin's costume look for The Clone Wars.  And Obi-Wan also scored strikes against his breathing apparatus as well as across Vader's back.

In the OT he took a glancing blow from Luke in the duel at Cloud City.  And there was a deleted scene in ROTJ where Luke actually scored a strike on Vader's helmet in the beginning of the duel on the second Death Star - but again, a glancing blow.  From the Legends material about it, it seems that it's clumsy for him to move around in, and he is in constant pain.  And he might have foregone greater protection because barely anyone could get close enough to Vader to do him real harm.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: McMetal on June 25, 2022, 02:56 PM
I was away on vacation and just watched the finale last night. Definitely my favorite of the series so far. The Vader/OBW duel was great, from the use of the Duel of Fates music, the eerie setting, to the whole fight choreography.

Loved loved loved: Badass Beru. They finally found a way to breathe some life into that character and wow, she really ran with it. Owen came off similarly more nuanced and admirable than you would have thought based on his ANH appearance. Both those actors really shined I thought.
                            Obi-Wan beating the mortal crap out of Vaderís chest plateÖI felt a thrill I had not felt since ROTJ watching that scene, honestly. Smashing him with all the rocks was super badass too.
                             Battle-damaged AniVader looked amazing behind the helmet, and with the alternating voice. Great callback to the final battle with Ahsoka too.

The whole thing with Reva ultimately felt a little contrived to me, like they were always planning for some kind of spin-off and just used the series as an elaborate way to launch the character. I grew to like her more as the series went on, but not sure how she would work as the focus of a whole show. (Throw in Kumail and Iím in though!)

Overall I guess I feel like it was well executed affair, not something I felt like was ďnecessaryĒ from a canonical standpoint, but for sure some great moments. The only thing that still bugs me is how they portrayed the Grand Inquisitor. Really missed the mark there imo.

Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Dave on June 30, 2022, 02:35 PM
What were we supposed to take from Obi-Wan looking at the box of lightsabers that members of The Path had collected? 

Were they from dead Jedi? If so, how did The Path get them?

Were they from Jedi that have gone in to hiding and didn't want them anymore - similar to what Kenobi did by burying his and Anakin's saber in the desert?  Does that mean Quinlan Vos is out there in hiding and left his saber behind?
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Matt_Fury on July 1, 2022, 09:05 AM
From what I understand, Beskar is very rare and also takes a lot of skill to work with.  It's not something you're going to see a lot of in the galaxy at large.  It doesn't shock me that Vader's suit is not made from it.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on July 5, 2022, 12:29 PM
What were we supposed to take from Obi-Wan looking at the box of lightsabers that members of The Path had collected? 

Were they from dead Jedi? If so, how did The Path get them?

Were they from Jedi that have gone in to hiding and didn't want them anymore - similar to what Kenobi did by burying his and Anakin's saber in the desert?  Does that mean Quinlan Vos is out there in hiding and left his saber behind?

I think the insinuation is that they were from Jedi who left their past behind them to go into hiding juxtaposed with Kenobi doing the exact opposite. 

I just don't know what to say if nothing in this series made an OT fan smile.  I thought it was awesome.  I think that people just need to get rid of their "head cannon" and enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: Kenobi (Disney+) - (SPOILERS possible)
Post by: Nicklab on July 5, 2022, 01:51 PM
I got the sense that having a lightsaber would be a giveaway to anyone that the person possessing it was a Jedi.  It was reports of someone wielding a lightsaber in that Tatooine saloon that drew the Inquisitors there.  The Grand Inquisitor gestured to the slashes on the wall while he was talking about the key to hunting Jedi.  And sure enough, they flushed Nari out.

Obi-Wan had buried both his lightsaber and Anakin's in the desert.  He knew well enough to keep it hidden.  He couldn't keep it in his cave since he was clearly concerned about scavenging Jawas.

The Path seemed to collect the lightsabers and Jedi attire as a matter of collecting any incriminating evidence as they guided the Jedi in hiding on to safer locations.  While the Inquisitors took the lightsabers, and even the dead Jedi themselves, as trophies.