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Title: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on May 4, 2012, 11:09 AM
The teaser trailer for Clone Wars Season 5 has been posted (http://www.starwars.com/watch/tcw_season5_teaser_trailer.html)!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on May 4, 2012, 11:22 AM
Thanks for sharing, Nick... Hmm, just the Maul brothers and Mandalorians so far... and the Etas.  Not much of a teaser, to get me excited, but I was hoping for some saber action or some bounty hunters.  I'm sure we'll see those soon enough.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on May 4, 2012, 11:26 AM
Thanks for sharing, Nick... Hmm, just the Maul brothers and Mandalorians so far... and the Etas.  Not much of a teaser, to get me excited, but I was hoping for some saber action or some bounty hunters.  I'm sure we'll see those soon enough.

Actually, those fighters looked more like the Mandalorian fighters to me than anything else.  I think we saw those in season 2.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on May 4, 2012, 01:31 PM
"Just show the characters fans go crazy for Maul and Mandalorians."

In reality, those episodes will air in March of 2013.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on May 4, 2012, 01:53 PM
"Just show the characters fans go crazy for Maul and Mandalorians."

In reality, those episodes will air in March of 2013.

You know, there's a reason they call clips like these "Teasers".

;D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Hobbie on May 6, 2012, 12:49 AM
In a frame or two it looks almost like those mandalore fighters have astrodroids on board.  I'm sure they actually don't, but it would be cool to see bad guy fighters with astrodroids.  So far we've only seen them in good guy ships.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on May 8, 2012, 01:15 PM
I was just re-watching the trailer, and I couldn't spot any astromech droids.  Some of the seatbacks in the Mandalorian ship cockpit look like some kind of a dome, but that's the closest thing I saw to an R2 unit.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Hobbie on May 9, 2012, 12:12 AM
I was just re-watching the trailer, and I couldn't spot any astromech droids.  Some of the seatbacks in the Mandalorian ship cockpit look like some kind of a dome, but that's the closest thing I saw to an R2 unit.

Yeah, that's what I was talking about.  From the front-side angle, it looked at first like a round droid dome right alongside the cockpit, but from the straight side or back angle it just seems like part of the ship itself.

Too bad, since it would have made for an interesting feature in many ways.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on May 13, 2012, 10:15 AM
I wish they'd focus on what the Clone Wars are really about, and that's not Maul or the Mandalorians. (Both of which I have no interest in.)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Master_Phruby on May 14, 2012, 11:19 AM
Where are the good old days when Grievous has a big weapon... Anakin/Obiwan go in to blow it up... Grievous runs away?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on May 21, 2012, 01:04 AM
A Full Length Season 5 Clone Wars Trailer hit Youtube...  Kinda low quality and at a sharp angle, but worth watching IMO.

CW Season 5 Full Trailer Leaked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBiOwPFC0bE)

I liked that, even for a brief second, a big space battle was shown, and appeared to include the Z-95's again.  Nice to see a little Star Warring in Star Wars.  Death Watch almost seemed to be getting a much larger push than Maul/Oppress in this.

Good to see.  Assume a legitimate release will hit soon.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on May 21, 2012, 02:01 AM
Nice to see the Droid Gunship finally show up in the series.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on May 21, 2012, 10:19 PM
They could make soooooo much money if they made figures of clone wars characters.  ::)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on June 11, 2012, 06:07 PM
High Quality Trailer.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/06/11/star-wars-the-clone-wars-season-5-trailer-darth-maul-death-watch-battle-over-the-galaxy-exclusive/
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on June 12, 2012, 01:33 AM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/012CW3D_Season5Teaser01_TN.jpg) (http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/06/11/star-wars-the-clone-wars-season-5-trailer-darth-maul-death-watch-battle-over-the-galaxy-exclusive/)
Clicky to check it out.

The full legitimate season 5 Trailer is up exclusively at Entertainment Weekly...

-Falleen
-Multiple threats not aligned with each other
-Bitchin' looking space battle
-Alderaan?

I'm always a little built up by the trailers.  I hope this season is really outstanding.  I was a little let down last year.  A lot really.  I want this year to really just be good episodes stacked from start to finish.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on June 12, 2012, 08:57 AM
I guess Alderaan is one the planet they hadn't fought on yet.

Apparently it's Onderon, which is almost as close to sounding like Alderaan as it gets.  Another comic book EU planet makes its CW debut.

This season's almost obligatory warrior chick who will never see toy form.

Not much Nothing seen featuring other non-lead Jedi.

Major plot points that probably happen next spring.

So business as usual.  :P
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on June 12, 2012, 04:15 PM
Ah ok, so that is where they were getting Onderon from...  Well, makes sense I suppose since I couldn't even place where teh buildings and things were from.  They certainly didn't look like Alderaan as it was established in ROTS.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on June 25, 2012, 07:43 PM
I re-watched the trailer today on the Star Wars site and I noticed something odd - in the one shot where Savage and Embo are fighting it out, Savage's left arm is mechanical. It's easier to see in the shot where he punches Embo with that arm. Is he losing his arm this season?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on June 25, 2012, 08:55 PM
He's lost a horn already. :)  maybe he has a severe ass whipping headed his way?  It'd be nice to see a baddie take some lumps like that.  he's a clean slate they basically can do with as they please, so I'd be ok with it.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on July 14, 2012, 08:31 PM
Nice new video up fresh from the Clone Wars Panel that just ended at SDCC.

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/012TCW_NewSeason5VideoIGN01_TN.jpg) (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/14/comic-con-star-wars-the-clone-wars-season-5-exclusive-meet-obi-wans-surprising-new-allies)
Clicky to see the new Season 5 Videon on IGN.

It opens really, really, cool. :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on July 15, 2012, 09:48 AM
Please tell me that the only Obi for next year will be this one, (laughs) that way if he peg warms we can slap the helmet on him and army build red Mandos.
I am guessing that the new red coloring on the Mando armor represents some alliegence to Maul. If only all the episodes can be this action packed, I can't wait for the season to start.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on July 15, 2012, 12:21 PM
Mandos and Maul....getting kinda fanfic...

Karen Traviss's eyes are probably rolling in her head like a slot machine.  ;)

EW.COM has another clip.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/07/14/star-wars-the-clone-wars-darth-maul-video/ (http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/07/14/star-wars-the-clone-wars-darth-maul-video/)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on August 26, 2012, 01:48 PM
Some interesting stuff out of C6...

-Season 5 could be played as a movie with 4 separate story arcs, but ones that I assume intertwine to a degree since it could play as a movie according to Filloni.

-Moving to Sat Mornings on CN.  Blah, but this is clearly, to me, a ratings push with kids since I think Friday Nights are probably not working well.

-New planets and stuff...  Lots of good oooo's and aaaahhhh's from the show. :)

I'm really curious to see Season 5 now.

I was NOT happy with the randomness of jumping around from arc to arc at any point in a season.  You'd go from the Clones fighting a battle on the dark planet, to a single funny episode, to something about Anakin getting mad...  It was a cluster-F IMO, and I think this is a good new direction/focus.

It's a 3 year war...  adding in everything in comics and whatnot, they really need to streamline this show.  They needed to 2 seasons ago.

The jumping about worked better for the Tartakovksy series, but not something on-going and a half hour each night.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on August 26, 2012, 05:44 PM
New Republic Commando clip from Season 5:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/26/star-wars-the-clone-wars-exclusive-season-5-republic-commando-action-scene (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/26/star-wars-the-clone-wars-exclusive-season-5-republic-commando-action-scene)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on August 26, 2012, 09:07 PM
Just reading through JTA's Q and A, and there is a note mentioning that SWAN is reporting that Season 5 is being written story arcs so that the closed without any cliffhangers due to the fear there may be a mid season cancellation.  Five seasons is a good run for any cartoon these days, but it is funny how far we've come.  I remember when CW was starting out, it seemed there was practically a bidding war over who would get to show it and how much it is promoted.  Now, it is being shifted around time slots/days, not nearly as advertised, and now possibly cancelled.  Hopefully, if this does happen, it goes out with a bang.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on August 27, 2012, 12:12 AM
Season 5 Trailer (http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/08/26/star-wars-the-clone-wars-season-5-trailer-maul-mandalorians-and-one-angry-lightsaber-wielding-darth-sidious-exclusive/)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on August 27, 2012, 05:08 AM
Wow...  I mean, wow.  They really look like they've maybe, finally, gotten their **** together with this show.  Looks like the war is back in Star Wars.  Though I feel like I say that every year.

Loved seeing the fighters in action, warring... 

Anyone catch the Star Wars: 1313 tie-in, in the trailer?  Or the masked person's eerie similarity to a certain Force Unleashed look?  :-X

The IGN bonus clip is nice too...  If you're a fan of the RC video game, you've GOT to be noticing how they clearly took that game, and its movements, and put it into the show.  Good on them.  But all 3 things I just brought up really make you think someone on that show likes playing SW video games.

This was the coolest thing I saw out of C6, honestly...  Makes me sort of sad that they honestly are expecting a possible cancellation.  This is the way the show SHOULD be done, every season, IMO.  Cohesive storylines, lots of action, lots of focus on THE WAR, and let it be the catalyst for the ultimate outcome of Anakin's life.

Feel like they spun their wheels for the last season or two, not really looking at it from the angle they should've...  It's a short war, so make the most of this show and use that more.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on August 27, 2012, 10:48 AM
Agreed with Jesse, it all looks pretty awesome.  So much cool stuff in the trailer, and I'm really psyched for Season 5 now.  Hopefully it isn't the end, but if it is, hopefully this means it is going out with a bang.  Plus, the glimpse of (apparently) Maul in Mando armor makes me think "here's two guys from SW that everyone loves, let's put them together" :).  Cool though.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on August 27, 2012, 11:54 AM

-Moving to Sat Mornings on CN.  Blah, but this is clearly, to me, a ratings push with kids since I think Friday Nights are probably not working well.


I don't get this. It was reairing on saturday mornings already.

Cartoon Network has a history of sabotaging shows with an adult fanbase by changing air times and limiting rebroadcasts, like Justice League and Masters of the Universe.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on August 27, 2012, 04:44 PM
I wonder what cartoon networks contract for the show looks like. Could they have an exit clause in the 5th season? I know there was a lot of talk on Lucasfilm's end that this would go at LEAST 5 seasons. I wonder if cartoon network saves money if the ratings fall to a certain level. If not I wonder if they could remain profitable just releasing webisodes on the main site and selling the DVDs each year?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on August 27, 2012, 05:14 PM
I don't get this. It was reairing on saturday mornings already.

Cartoon Network has a history of sabotaging shows with an adult fanbase by changing air times and limiting rebroadcasts, like Justice League and Masters of the Universe.

I followed both those shows (JLU and MOTU), and I can say they definitely made it more and more difficult to catch the episodes (especially in the pre-DVR days).  I don't think CW is to that level yet (or maybe it never will be), but it definitely doesn't seem to get the push that it used to.

We've heard quite a few times about the lower ratings, so maybe it is a show on the way out.  It is hard to judge, because to me, I watch these shows (with some episode exceptions) and think "why wouldn't a kid be watching this?".  If these types of toons were on when I was a kid, I would have been all over it (there are other examples of superhero type shows that struggle these days too apparently).  In what might be similar to toy-buying/interest, kids might just be different these days.  They'd rather have shows about dueling card players and some such nonsense :).  It is funny though, how some shows make their comebacks.  I know the Hub channel (which I know isn't exceptionally common) not only re-airs Joe and TF (although early and late in the day), it also shows somewhat older shows like Batman: TAS and Batman Beyond as well.  And now, our local CW affiliate has started showing Justice League on Saturday mornings again too.

I wonder, if/when the show does end, if Cartoon Network will keep it on a daily rotation like they do some of their other older shows.  That would be kind of neat.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on August 27, 2012, 09:41 PM
Kind of bummed that this could be like a death throw for it...  The show looks like they maybe righted the ship this season.  I honestly am amped...  They trick me with trailers sometimes, but this one really looked like this year's going to what they needed to go to.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 28, 2012, 02:17 AM
Kind of bummed that this could be like a death throw for it...  The show looks like they maybe righted the ship this season.  I honestly am amped...  They trick me with trailers sometimes, but this one really looked like this year's going to what they needed to go to.

To be honest, with what was shown in the trailer and with the apparent "big secret" set for later in the season, this could be THE big bang to end it, you know? Because honestly at this point I don't see it surviving another season. And it looks like a LOT of loose ends will be tied up. I mean, Sidious fighting Maul and Savage? Come on, someone has to die there. And I have a feeling something big will definitely happen with Ahsoka, I did read somewhere (don't remember where exactly) that all the actors had to be kicked out of the studio while Matt Lanter (Anakin) and Ashley Eckstein (Ahsoka) recorded one particular scene together.

I'm just so hyped for Season 5 it's ridiculous. Thank you, Dave Filoni, for putting together a quality and rewarding season together for us.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on August 28, 2012, 09:22 AM
I wouldn't worry about the show being canceled unless you start hearing about it from a source slightly more credible than 2 geeks with a podcast. Pretty sure neither of them works for Cartoon Network, so I'm not starting any candlelight vigils yet.

I don't remember who it was in another thread that proposed actually releasing these episodes as multiple standalone movies throughout the summer, as opposed to the current weekly episodic format, but I thought that was rather brilliant.

That would provide more of an "event" feel for things and provide a more sutainable model than them having to worry about advertising dollars, and ratings, and demographics, etc.

I will definitely NOT be watching this show at 9:30am on a Saturday. It's the darkest show on TV already. No way I am going to see everything in the glaring light of day. I hope they do a later re-airing or at least have it up On-Demand the next day.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on August 28, 2012, 03:38 PM
I've not honestly heard many of the rumors on it ending, I'm basing it off just the fact the war's only 3 years long, and that there's reason to think it probably can't go on for too much longer.

I hate the thought of losing it, as I enjoy the show (even bad times like lunch program episodes), but there's part of me wouldn't mind seeing it end and see what new direction they go...  I'd kinda dig seeing them try, if the live-action's off the table for the time being, a post-ot show, or a show from TOR, or something.  Filoni helming it, Lucas popping in to steer the ship now and then, and I'd like to see what they do.

I'd LOVE a show that took it right after Endor though, and shows the continued struggle with the Empire, who takes over immediately, etc.  Some of that EU is utter tripe so I'd be even ok with them stepping on some toes there...  HTTE is a good distance beyond that point, so I'd like to see them hit that gap between ROTJ's end and HTTE's beginning...  maybe even wrapping that show up with a certain Grand Admiral's entrance in its final season.  Could be really awesome stuff.

Getting kiddies into it would be tough I think...  The troops they love are all bad, and plain.  :-\
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 22, 2012, 04:23 AM
New clip of Savage vs. Darth Maul on the main site. Yup, Savage vs. Darth Maul. If this isn't going to be one kick-ass season premiere then I don't know what is.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: jedipurge on September 26, 2012, 02:30 PM
ya i finally got around to seeing that short clip.  didn't get it tho.  maul says there's only 2 blah blah blah, but Maul isn't a sith anymore so why is he gettin all preachy with Savage.  i have a feeling tho that this dual between Bros. is gonna wind up why we see Savage with a robot left arm in that longer clip.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on September 28, 2012, 11:05 PM
Just watched the "ask Dave" clips from the sw site. He confirmed that an updated Twilight will return in season five, thanks to Anakin's engineering prowess, but also hints that it may be destroyed before the season ends. I only hope it s featured prominently enough to allow for a TRU exclusive to be made. I still think next to the falcon, this would be a money maker in the large scale line for Hasbro. But more likely Dave and the crew are going to blow it up so people stop asking about it.

He also teases the fate of Rex and confirms that the Lex Ahsoka storyline will be elaborated.

Overall I have high hopes for this season. And now that the show is in syndication maybe toy sales will see a spike.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on September 28, 2012, 11:39 PM
Interesting stuff in the Ask Dave videos.  The Twilight bit is cool. 

And he did make a point of talking about Rex and Ahsoka.  Eventually there's going to be some sort of turning points for both characters.  But he seemed to be focusing more on how their characters are continuing to evolve.  At some point I think the audience is going to need something to happen to these characters.  Filoni & company should take note in something JJ Abrams recently said about the series Lost.  That being that Lost took too long to get some major plot elements established, and that he and his show running team learned that you can only keep the audience hanging for so long.  The Clone Wars audience knows that something is going to happen to Ahsoka, and likely to Rex as well.  You can only keep stringing them along for so long.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Lestat on September 29, 2012, 10:10 AM
Sooo Adi Galia has now died twice?


It was nice to see Kenobi FINALLY kick some ass!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on September 29, 2012, 11:35 AM
The Brothers McMaullen really botched that up. Maul limp away supported by his now one armed brothers.

Adi Gallia another Jedi Master killed by the not-even-that-well-trained Opress...wow, Jedi suck.

Is that the first time we've seen Palpatine in his ROTS opening robe?

Hondo's back...yay...those flying saucers never meshed with weequay in my mind.

Blue Snaggletooth. Awesome. Had the silver boots.

I guess the confusing sith with Jedi is a hint of the galaxy having an increasingly negative view of the Jedi?

Didn't expect to open with a one shot (ableit one connected to last season's finale). Next week Onderan...which is likely an arc.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on September 29, 2012, 11:41 AM
Pure awesome sauce! This was the best season opener of the series. Loved he up tempo fighting. Good thing they moved this to mid morning on Saturday so kids can watch Jedi get killed and monsters get their arms and legs hacked off...I'm guessing he show producers were not anticipating the time switch when this episode was written.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on September 29, 2012, 06:02 PM
This show is WAY too violent for this time slot.  It is one thing for battle droids to get sliced and diced, but seeing another living being get limbs cut off, or murdered in cold blood is a little much for Saturday morning fare.

I wasn't too impressed with this episode.  I have been 'meh' about the return of Maul, and this one didn't do anything to change my mind.  Anyone else think the design of Maul, especially his Sith ascot, is a little lame?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on September 29, 2012, 07:36 PM
Long gloves, the ribbed ascot and running around shirtless...what's goofy about that?  ;)

(Minor spoiler: based on  previews he changes his attire later in the season...)

Is the stabbing in the back with a lightsaber played out yet? Grievous, Ventress and Maul...hmmm not sure Dooku has done it. Did Anakin? Maybe. Ahsoka did, IIRC...to save Tarkin.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on September 30, 2012, 08:28 AM
Very pleased to see that Comcast had the new episode On-Demand the very same night, so I didn't have to wait around a couple days just to catch up.

Loved Blue Snags, even if he talked like the Sheriff from Squidbillies. All he was missing was the dented toe...

I still think Adi Gallia deserves a figure based on her body of work in the series. But sheesh, put up a little bit of a fight maybe?

At least we got Hondo when the line was still kicking. He never disappoints. 

You would think, with all the advanced technology and what-not, that it would not be that hard to detect if an escape pod was missing from the wreckage. That thing was not small.

This whole "ability of the force to tell when people are alive or dead" thing is really one of the abilities they should spend some time honing. Because it seems to work just fine sometimes and is inexplicably useless most other times.

The lightsaber combat was solid, although after repeated viewings it is still impossible to tell exactly HOW Obi disarms Savage, but whateves. It was sweet to see him hold his own at least.

Not sure what the big endgame was supposed to be. Surround yourself with a gang of pirates? Is Maul really stupid enough to think that would protect him from the Jedi? Seems like they could have just used the credits and hidden away for awhile and come up with something better.

Seems like Sidious would be more concerned about this too. You've got sixth Sith lords running around the galaxy creating havoc now. That's three times more than your own self-mandated limit. Those morons can't even follow their own rules.

Glad to have the show back though, Hasbro's ongoing toy fail notwithstanding.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on September 30, 2012, 02:00 PM
I was kind of 50/50 on liking this episode...  There was some stuff I dug, but I thought it, again, was no Landing at Point Rain which is the benchmark IMO.

I liked that they quite simply used the episode to lay out that Maul/Oppress are an issue separate of the war, and are up to something that clearly will be important in future episodes (seems kinda obvious about the Mandalorian tie-in now).

I liked that they killed a Jedi...  Too often people have bitched about the baddies NOT doing anything cool, and now that one does finally show he's pretty tough it's difficult to complain about it I think.  That's just me though.

I like Blue Snaggletooth but I'd have liked them to use a new head instead of reusing one they already had done up.  Still, it was just cool to see him there regardless and it makes me all the more geeked to do a modern blue snags that looks better than Hasbro's effort.

I was just a little bored with it...  It wasn't bad, but it just wasn't jaw dropping either...  not for an opener.  I guess that's maybe all that let me down a little bit.  I'm really curious about next week's episode.  Looks good!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on September 30, 2012, 06:59 PM
I caught this episode at CVI and it was nice to watch it Sat and today to look for those nice little easter eggs and things I missed before.

Hondo is by far one of the best developed characters in CW let alone the entire SW continuity. He is just played/voiced so well.

One thing I really liked was the duel between Obi-Wan, Maul and Savage post Adi Gallia death, which was brutal in its own right with the horn impaling and the lightsaber killing blow. There was nice homage to AOTC during the 3-way duel where Obi-Wan was about to take out Maul when Savage blocked his blow similar to how Anakin blocked Dooku's blow against Obi-Wan. It was a nice "brothers" parallel.

Despite knowing it was coming, I still cheered out when Obi-Wan took Savage's arm.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on September 30, 2012, 10:43 PM
Revival had good argument

They have finally ended the cliché of siths defeating Jedi

I am not sure the killed girl is Adi Gallia (she deads in ROTS)

In the ending of cw season 4, was tiring how the two brothers Maul and Savage surprised Kenobi
it could be justified only for seeing Maul in his cyborg likeness, which more power updated by his bionic parts.

And now Kenobi has brought relief to the light side.... Yes those sith guys deserved that beating!!  ;)

Obi Wan is more powerful than Maul, however he calls Savage his apprentice

I think he only poses difficulty to Kenobi because as enemies they both know the otherīs tactics well.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 1, 2012, 08:34 AM
Revival had good argument

They have finally ended the cliché of siths defeating Jedi

I am not sure the killed girl is Adi Gallia (she deads in ROTS)


That's the similar looking character Stass Allie in ROTS. Originally they were supposed to be the same character, but they had changed actresses in Attack of the Clones and decided to rename minor background Jedi from The Phantom Menace. So we have Adi Gallia and Stass Allie.  Stass Allie is said to be Adi Gallia's cousin. Adi Gallia already had a death in the Expanded Universe.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on October 1, 2012, 09:42 AM
ufo ships seemed kinda out of place in the SW universe, but that's just me i guess.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on October 1, 2012, 08:25 PM
Some novelties:

Savage Opress can kill with his horns, like a bull from Corrida (bullfighting)

The animated debut of Blue snaggletooh, path the way for the CW action figure.

The horned sith donīt have a defense or block against low side kick  :D  (kansetsu-geri),

so Obi Wan could target their knee caps. Wish Kenobi shares his strategy with Anakin before they
will face duo versus duo.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 4, 2012, 02:02 AM
A new preview for this week's episode was posted to SW.com's Youtube site...  It's up on our front page, so check it out.

I'm glad to see this series going BACK to the war, finally.  I like the Maul arc, but Star Wars works best when it's sticking to what it's titled about.  Especially the toon.  I'd like to see more combat/military, and fewer sidetracks.  I appreciate jumping into the underworld and stuff more after I've seen a stream of good battles. :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on October 4, 2012, 07:12 PM
Some novelties:

Savage Opress can kill with his horns, like a bull from Corrida (bullfighting)

The animated debut of Blue snaggletooh, path the way for the CW action figure.

The horned sith donīt have a defense or block against low side kick  :D  (kansetsu-geri),

so Obi Wan could target their knee caps. Wish Kenobi shares his strategy with Anakin before they
will face duo versus duo.

I actually liked the bit with Obi-Wan targetting Savage Opress's knees.  It showed him to be a more experienced and smarter combatant,  and that sort of plot point is also something that is reminiscent of video gaming:  finding that one weakness in an opponent and exploiting it.

I was interested to see the conference between the Jedi and Palpatine at the end of the episode.  That was clearly foreshadowing of what's likely to be a confrontation between Darth Sidious and Darth Maul.  And on that front I'm really interested to see what happens.  How will the Sith Master regard his former Apprentice?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on October 6, 2012, 10:52 AM
A War on Two Fronts was to slow, hopefully the action picks up with next weeks episode with the droid gunships, and commando droids. (If they're in it yet.)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 6, 2012, 01:29 PM
I see why they went with last week's episode to open the season.

This was Ahsoka/Lux 'shipper stuff...maybe they should've called it "Looking For Love in Onderon Places"

The Fear is a Malleable Weapon opening moral...was barely touched upon. And if the Jedi Council almost seems ready to accept Onderon's government siding with the CIS, then why are they even fighting this war? If the CIS wasn't the aggressor, there'd be no war?

Adi Gallia visible during the council scene. Ha.

Onderon seems to be another backwater planet with an old timey capital city. Gives me the impression that a lot of habitable worlds have the population of the average U.S. state at most. (Mon Calamari, Zygerria, Ryloth...none of them seemed developed or abuntandly populous.)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on October 6, 2012, 08:01 PM
meh....
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: BrentS on October 6, 2012, 10:21 PM
I liked the Jedi Robes. That's about all I can say.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 6, 2012, 11:48 PM
I liked that the "Rebels" are like a dozen guys in the woods.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 7, 2012, 12:54 PM
Well, it seems there's only a few thousand people on the whole planet.  ;)

Do they make the AAT's too big. Or maybe I try to make my peace with under scaled toys only to have that challenged by other media. I wish they'd updated the toy more, hatch and rear ramp...never happen. more likely they'll make a new tinyer one.


Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 7, 2012, 03:38 PM
They'll update it, show it off, but it'll never ship.

The CW models are pretty accurate...  Hasbro's toy is one of their classic "80%-ish scale just so it annoys you" type ships, like the X-Wing, etc.  Close enough that they could've done it right but didn't.  It's a decent sculpt though, but with all the repaints I'm kinda glad I've not bought one since 1999 due to its undersize nature.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on October 7, 2012, 07:11 PM
It would be great to have Obi, Ani, and Ashoka released with the robes. That way Hasbro could keep the key figures on the pegs but I could justify buying them for an eighth time. The Rex rebel outfit has some promise too. It could head swap into some extra background rebels (that we know we will never see).

The episode was a lot slower than the teasers would have led us to believe, but I still think this arc has potential. Gorilla warfare could be very interesting to watch.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 8, 2012, 09:34 AM
....Aaand we're back. To sucking out loud again.

I honestly did not think the show could stoop lower than poisoned kid's drinks on Mandalore, but they blew that right out of the water with that BEYOND INSIPID Twilight-esque crapfest.

Man, that was just embarassingly terrible. Who do they think is watching this show?!?! They won't make female action figures but they fixate on plotlines that would only appear to tween girls. Stop making goo-goo eyes at each other, you self-absorbed twerps.

"I know we've got this rebellion thing going on fighting for the future of the planet and all, but WHY DOESN'T LUX LIKE ME?!?!"  ::) ::) ::)

God, I hope they kill that stupid brat off this year.

Rex looked funny in street clothes.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 8, 2012, 12:24 PM
I think it might play less into Tween Girls and more into "Attachment is forebidden" kind of foreshadowing Anakin, and forcing his hand with Ahsoka on the issue which is ultimately hypocritical of him.  Just seemed like that's what they're setting up, to me.  I didn't mind that stuff.  I minded the sort of quiet, slow nature of the episode.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on October 8, 2012, 09:09 PM
This episode was definitely an exercise in plate setting.  There were some plot points that were reminiscent of the U.S. military involvement in Vietnam, with the Jedi being deployed to Onderon in a purely advisory role. 

The setting of Onderon for this story arc was kind of cool because the planet has been explored before in multiple EU venues.  If you've played KOTOR II or read the Darth Bane novels, you're likely to be familiar with Onderon. 

This Ahsoka / Lux ongoing story is one that I hope is going to lead to SOME sort of payoff.  The Death Watch episode from last season (with Ahsoka & Lux) was good, but I think 5 seasons in we need some payoff in the whole concept of "What's going to happen to Ahsoka?"
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on October 9, 2012, 10:11 PM
I agree Onderon episode was slow, however it recreated some feautures of the rebellion

-Emphasis on women leadership
-Commandos and soldiers on camping with less access to facilities like complex bases or stations.
-Guerrilla aspect of rebel teams.
-Training could show basic teachings (where to hit and why, how to hold detonator, etc.)
-The word and concept rebellion is floating in the galaxy far far away, while the republic is busy fighting separatists.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 10, 2012, 12:37 AM
That reminds me that I wanted to just say I found the bocce ball **** really silly...  First, that's honestly the best way to rid yourself of a droid that even Jedi are cautious with, and which have been shown to sometimes have shields and not have shields?  Here again, LFL has a good opportunity to dip into its bag of EU tricks...  Republic Commando, something the show's writers and creative minds have obviously seen and played, already has established a sort of good way to go about bringing down a Droid's shields if you're a small force...  Use it.

Instead though, they go with the "Bocce" method...  Not to be confused with the "speaking Bocce" with ends up with you sounding like Super Mario.  Can't they get equally frustrated at a more realistic design for taking out Destroyer Droids than their ability to gently roll a ball through it's shielding?  As the guys on the bocce court might say, cazzate.

Not to mention I found the way to take out an MTT a tad silly too.  I would've liked to have seen something a little more rooted in reality than the guys hopping on the tank, and opening the hatches (from the outside) to chuck grenades in.

A rocket launcher (already modeled and everything), Republic-supplied, would've made more sense overall, and made more sense that they needed a soldier from the Republic there to teach them how to use it as well.  Like watching Afghani's learning how to shoot a shoulder-fired anti-air weapon during the Soviet invasion...  It just would've been a little more realistic than people doing olympic sports on the gun barrel and opening hatches from the outside.  A bit too much of a kiddie vibe to a lot of that stuff in this episode, which already slowed it down...  so at least make it less silly.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Greg on October 10, 2012, 12:53 AM
A rocket launcher (already modeled and everything), Republic-supplied, would've made more sense overall, and made more sense that they needed a soldier from the Republic there to teach them how to use it as well.  Like watching Afghani's learning how to shoot a shoulder-fired anti-air weapon during the Soviet invasion...  It just would've been a little more realistic than people doing olympic sports on the gun barrel and opening hatches from the outside.  A bit too much of a kiddie vibe to a lot of that stuff in this episode, which already slowed it down...  so at least make it less silly.

Based on the trailers released during the summer, it looks like they'll be using the Soviet-Afghan war as inspiration in upcoming episodes. The trailers showed quite a few shots of Droid Gunships firing away on Onderon, Hondo Onaka delivering the rocket launchers/bazookas, and the Onderon Rebel chick shooting a gunship down. And I agree that the flips onto tanks and grenade rolling were lame in Friday's episode, and overall the episode seemed like a re-tread of some of the Ryloth arc.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 10, 2012, 02:13 AM
The Ryloth stuff at least seemed a little "realistic" for lack of a better term.

This...  This just hurt at times to watch, from its military perspective.  :(  Like I said, too kiddie, no gritty.  I like gritty.  I think it appeals to both camps, but that's just me.  I think articulation appeals to kids too but last I was being told things like articulation don't matter and kids just like stuffing figures into vehicles...  1980's toy evolution be damned.  ::)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 10, 2012, 08:49 AM
Why don't the AAT's hatches lock from the inside?

And one of the reasons tanks have anti-personnel weapons is to prevent infantry from running up and attaching magnetic mines, etc. to the tank.

Then again, when have the AAT's ever used their weapons. They never use the hull rockets. Those nubs below the front hatch are lasers, too, according to the Episode 1 cutaway tech book.

So, yeah, we have the silly manuevors to make some "jock vs. nerd"/pissing contest scenes.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on October 10, 2012, 12:34 PM
It just would've been a little more realistic than people doing olympic sports on the gun barrel and opening hatches from the outside.  A bit too much of a kiddie vibe to a lot of that stuff in this episode, which already slowed it down...  so at least make it less silly.
You hit the nail on the head here!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on October 10, 2012, 12:37 PM
Why don't the AAT's hatches lock from the inside?

And one of the reasons tanks have anti-personnel weapons is to prevent infantry from running up and attaching magnetic mines, etc. to the tank.

Then again, when have the AAT's ever used their weapons. They never use the hull rockets. Those nubs below the front hatch are lasers, too, according to the Episode 1 cutaway tech book.

So, yeah, we have the silly manuevors to make some "jock vs. nerd"/pissing contest scenes.
Why do the tanks even need a robot to drive them?  Why not hard wire that stuff right in.  It would be like building a drone to be flown by a seperately built craash test dummy.  Stupid, and an issue I have always had with the Separatist army.  Yet, the vultures are actual droids with no pilots.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 10, 2012, 01:09 PM
Maybe the Trade Federation designed them to be sold to organic armies?  Maybe the design predates the Battle Droids? The STAP would be another one, why isn't it just a flying drone?

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 10, 2012, 02:47 PM
What Scockery said...

I always envisioned the AAT as something of a tank intended every bit for organics as for droids.  The Neimoidian's have to have some kind of standing military themselves beyond mechanical I figure, and they need a ride...  and selling them to whoever wants them.

I thought, but could be wrong, that the AAT used other guns in TPM but it's hard to see.  I thought they used more than the long-range cannon though.

Funny though, none of those guns really seems like it's intended for shooting people already on it...  Actually most tanks don't have that ability at all, it's more a partner tank is intended to turn and one of the MG's mounted to either the turret or operated independantly by another crewman as with the .30 cal on a Sherman, were intended to spray a partner tank's hull and clear off any sticky people.

Speaking of sticky people...  How awesome woudl it have been if they paid a little homage to A) Steven Spielberg, and B) one of the greatest war movies of all time, by introducing sticky bombs...  you know, a bomb that sticks!?  Sticky bomb!  They could've completely incorporated explosives that are otherwise useless being somehow magnetically (or otherwise) stuck to not just tanks, but droids.  You could've really paid homage to Lucas' best friend, and made a desperate situation look even more desperate in the toon, and less silly.  Hell, you could even keep the droid coming out of the hatch and saying something dumb.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 13, 2012, 10:27 AM
Front Runners

More tension amongst rebels.

Typical evil king who usurped the throne and his toady advisor (or snaily advisor in this case).

Typical old noble deposed king locked away.

Some new robot they won't make into a toy.

Why did Anakin and Obi-Wan take Rex back with them? 

Where the heck is DC nation? Did they change the schedule at the last minute? Comcast says Green Lantern and yet there's a show about dragons on.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on October 13, 2012, 10:34 AM
Did anyone catch what Dooku called the new droid general?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on October 13, 2012, 11:46 AM
What do you think the percentage of likelihood is of Steela's name being another Filoni nod to the Pittsburgh Steelers? I think he wanted another shot after it after "Goldie" turned out to be a bad guy.

She is pretty bad ass with Polomalu hair...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 14, 2012, 06:13 PM
So, blah blah blah whatever, NEW DROID GENERAL!!!!

NEW DROID GENERAL!

No, I didn't catch the name either, tried replaying it 2 or 3 times too. Something like "Calamity" or somesuch thing. I'm sure it will be something silly, but who cares? NEW DROID GENERAL!

I realize it's pointless to even get excited about new characters on the show anymore, even new characters who would make totally amazing action figures, like a NEW DROID GENERAL! But still...

NEW DROID GENERAL!

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 14, 2012, 06:31 PM
I guess this ep takes place after Grievous dies...oh, wait...

Name was KILLANEE or something. I saw it twice and that's the best I could make out.

I peak ahead and this arc last 4 episodes total. It better pick up next week.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on October 14, 2012, 06:41 PM
I watched the episode last night.  Honestly, it was kind of "MEH".  I saw some echoes of the Onderon storyline from KOTOR II, but aside from that I don't know if this really advanced the story of the series all that much.

The Ahsoka / Lux storyline seems to have been advanced.  The only notable thing on that front that was communicated in a halfway interesting fashion were Anakin's comments to Ahsoka about attachment.  An exercise in foreshadowing?  Perhaps.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on October 14, 2012, 07:20 PM
The new droid general's name is Kalani, and he's a super tactical droid.

I hope we get at least a realistic version of him, I really like his design.

Here's a new pic of him from next week's episode ''The Soft War''.

(http://i36.servimg.com/u/f36/11/26/21/16/previe10.jpg)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 15, 2012, 10:24 AM
Yeah, that design would make for a much better animated figure than a realistic one. And since there is only an animated mold for the Tactical Droids, let's hope Hasbro stays true to their own words and does this on the cheap by tweaking an existing sculpt, rather than wasting all that money to do one in a realistic style that will inevitably look atrocious.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 15, 2012, 02:56 PM
Watched the episode last night...  A little action, all covert stuff, kind of interesting.  Less of the hormonal raging of Ahsoka.  I kind of figured the line about it being her brother was coming since they did look a lot alike.  Not like the Luke/Leia shocker there.

The tactical droid is cool I guess.  I like seeing the "heroes on both sides" as they say in the ROTS crawl, and so I'm interested in him.  It'd be neat to see other leaders make a reappearance though, especially if the timeline allows for some of the offed people.

Wasn't a bad episode, but still wasn't great.  I DO dig the city though.  I like the concept of the fortified cities and things, the insanely high walls with the gun turrets and stuff.  I like that aspect of SW, the whole "siege warfare" still being very important due to shielding and stuff.

I think it is funny everyone drives what appears to be the same car...  no color changes even.

I also find it funny that, with the king bitching he doesn't have good droids (he had Commando droids too, which makes that even funnier) they decide to send him another droid.  I thought maybe they were sending an organic military force of some sort, but just another droid...  and with the Rebels focusing military tactics on droid-only methods.  Just struck me as sort of funny.

That said...  I still hate:

-Hatches opening from the outside.  That's lame one very level.

-How lame the Super Battledroids appeared...  AOTC set them up as sort of badass guys, throwing the little ones out of their way, but in these episodes they've been insanely slow, and incredibly poor at tracking a target.

-Destroyers... Again, these things drive off OWK and QGJ in TPM, and instill some fear in them.  In TCW some half-assed trained people can take them out with a quick round of Bocce.

However, I did like some stuff a lot too, like...

-Spider Droid reappearing...  I liked them in the CW3D movie, and I thought it's a design we should see more often.  I'd like to see more of the heavy artillery too like the Octuparra Droid, and maybe branch out to some of the other droids that have been absent like Hailfire's.

-Humans seemed a little diverse...  There wasn't a cookie cutter look to everyone I though, and maybe it was subtle changes to existing models but I thought it was good to see.

-MTT being destroyed separate of the main characters for this arc...  I liked that.  It was nice to see them visually depict the growing rebellion on this planet.

-Sniper Shots to the SBD red light...  Those were established in the EU again, I believe Republic Commando actually, and it was appreciated.  Someone on that show's production team loves that game between the EMP grenades, the sniper shots, the Trandoshan slavers with their scatter-blasters, and of course the Republic Commandoes themselves obviously.

It's weird, but I like this story arc a little bit, just not enough to be excited about it.  I feel a little let down they've kicked off the season this way but I'm hanging in there for what I hope is big payoff.

On the issue of the Super Tactical Droid (that's really creative), I'd like a figure and the droids in the series sort of look realistic anyway.  I just think the existing Tactical Droid is pretty poopy as figures go these days, so I'd prefer something new since that looks a bit different I think.  Realistic or animated I'd probably be interested in that one, but the way things are going as I see it, realistic is what I'd count on.  I see nothing there that would make me think it would look bad, realistic.  It wouldn't look too different than animated even I think.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on October 15, 2012, 03:11 PM
I wonder what better battle droids Dooku is sending along with Kalani? New ones, perhaps Super Commando Droids?

I know he's sending the droid gunships, but those aren't really battle droids.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 20, 2012, 01:09 PM
MTT's deploy Super Battle Droids....maybe we can expect a CW repaint of the MTT with super Battle Droids....yeah, right.  :D

Why are there twi'leks and Ithorians on this world....because....STAR WARS.

Blowing up tanks and transports in public areas....shrapnel? Never heard of it!

Good king chose neutrality...What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

One way shield that let's stuff in? Prevents escape but someone shoot missiles through it? What?
 
White girl rebel got killed. Sooo sad. So sad.

General Never Seen Before Now had a change of heart. Yay.

They the let the evil king go?

Kilani doesn't seem very special.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on October 20, 2012, 01:14 PM
Kalani was a disappointment, maybe he'll be better in Tipping Points.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 21, 2012, 01:18 PM
I liked the ambush...  It almost had an element of actual strategy and military tactics to it, though I'm so fed up with them just jumping around like Jedi and opening hatches.

The jumping is really becoming distracting.  Nobody's naturally that acrobatic but a Jedi so you have to figure something else out for them to leap from rooftop to rooftop already, and for god's sake take out AAT's with mines and stuff, not opening hatches.  I know it's to appeal to kids and everyone's a hero and stuff, but it's really lame.  I guess I prefer gadgets to just suspending disbelief.

I didn't like them letting the bad king go either.  Shoot the guy, end the problem.

I guess magna guards were the new droids...  They're real tough, huh?  ::)

This arc has officially been a disappointment in my view.  Short of them really wow'ing with the rest of it, this hasn't been a great jumpstart to this season IMO.  I didn't dig the Maul/Oppress episodes much either.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 21, 2012, 01:52 PM
I do  miss the CLONES in Clone Wars. And heck, there was room to toss an underused Jedi in with Ahsoka, so she doesn't have to phone up Anakin and Obi-Wan every episode. Just feels like we are spinning wheels with a lot of uninteresting characters for a story arc that is cliche city. Maybe there'll be pay off next week...doubt it. This story has been at least one episode too long, and the whole premise of helping-but-not-outright-helping the Onderon Rebels is quite frankly dumb, since you know, it's a Seperatist held planet and there's whole war with the CIS going on. Did the Jedi/Republic have no plans to take the fight into enemy territory?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 21, 2012, 05:01 PM
SO BORING!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on October 21, 2012, 09:24 PM
Better then school lunch episodes, but ya...where's the snooze button?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 22, 2012, 09:14 AM
Yeah, this was a good example of an arc that should have been wrapped up in three episodes. They rush in, stop the execution, kill the bad guys, happy ending and roll the credits. Everything else just seems like fluff.

Kalani was a major disappointment as a character. Still looks cool as hell but doesn't seem to have a clue about a tactical response to a native insurgency. Someone call that Cuban general from Red Dawn!

Did Rex go back with Obi and Anakin?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 26, 2012, 01:26 PM
Looking at the official site's page for this episode http://www.starwars.com/explore/the-clone-wars/ep504/ (http://www.starwars.com/explore/the-clone-wars/ep504/)

Onderon is made up of clones. I realized they reused character models, but damn...when you stop to look it gets ridiculous. Now I know why there's so many aliens amongst the population, to save money.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 27, 2012, 11:50 AM
And....phft...the arc is over. What a waste of time. Droid Gunships were nice, but remind me how underscale the toy version is.

Guess there isn't diddly on Onderon worth Dooku commiting major forces to pacifying it. Alll it takes is a few illegally supplied rocket launchers and the Afghan Onderon war is over.

Killamee conveniently kills evil king (who was never shown to be a bad ruler per se aside from siding with the seperatists and deposing some sad old man). Freedom is restored to this monarchy  :P. Lux Interiour foolishly wants to align withe Republic.

And that was worth nearly 1/5th of a season?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on October 27, 2012, 12:09 PM
Loved the one Droid Gunship's "By your command." line.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on October 28, 2012, 08:41 PM
I liked the episode, right up until Ashoka was hit in the shoulder blade with a laser blast from a gunship. All that did was break her concentration and require a band-aid. It would have been better if Lux would have fired at the cannon first and have the shot his the ground beside her and distract her. The fighting was cool though, other than the very Avatar influenced creatures they rode on.

Hopefully the next arc will be even better.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on October 28, 2012, 11:13 PM
I am just watching "Tipping points"

What I can first comment is that

I liked the pterodactils, flying saurious....
they are beasts more colored than ever
but their wings look a cross between buterflies' and bats.

The paintjob on body and wings gave those dragons distinction.

The huge burden saurious in the market, the one which crashes two battle droids
is like a large dewback, nice try this time on purple.

The rest is kinda cartoon style, lots of details are improving now
but designers must focus on the heads of humans to insuflate
more realism. Some angles of Steela head are chooked.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 29, 2012, 12:33 AM
Thoroughly disappointed...

Where's the grit of Landing at Point Rain or the Ryloth story arc?  Or even the battles of the CW3D Movie?

This was very kiddie-like I felt...  Really detracted from it.

And I'm confused, but if the Seps are obviously taking over the planet, why again can't the Jedi/Republic openly interfere?  I found this whole thing a big letdown.  Season 5's eating it so far, and this series is losing me.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 29, 2012, 09:10 AM
Yeah, the Droid Gunships stole the show, and the Hondo cameo was nice, but overall MEH. It was a boring arc, but given the twin kiss of death coming up this season (younglings + Clovis) that may be the high water mark for awhile.

I don't want any toys from this arc either.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 29, 2012, 03:17 PM
The younglings seem like the most interesting thing honestly...  Illum's already been touched upon in the 2D series and it was awesome.  Now TOR's expanded on it IIRC and I like that they're returning to it with Yoda who seems to be the kindergarten teacher of the Jedi Order.  I'm interested to see where that goes.

They really need to get back to good stuff.  Their shots of space combat, since the series is called "Star Wars" afterall, has me hopeful of better times ahead.

I'm keeping the faith I guess but this last arc was pure **** and feels like they really weren't trying.

I was reading some of the trivia for the last episode on SW.com and Filloni said the Rebels would use pack animals and stuff readily available rather than a big fierce cat...  Seemed like silly logic to me considering the Empire on Tatooine using Dewbacks and stuff, but whatever.

It made me think though...  You put that much thought into it, but then you don't think about people just opening tank hatches from the outside at all?  Where, exactly, are your priorities again?  That was a royally half-assed thought-process to me, but I guess I'm not making the series so what do I know?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 29, 2012, 06:31 PM
I've seen fan made stop motion vids that were more entertaining and shorter.


If they wanted this story to have impact, the rebels would've been all but massacred and the Seperatists won. Then Palpatine rubs in the Jedi's face that only direct military action will liberate CIS held worlds.

Or (this is what I thought they were going for early on), the Jedi relent to direction military involvement, the Clone Army does arrive, but disarms the rebels and imposes martial law over the whole planet.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on October 29, 2012, 11:13 PM
I really enjoyed this episode and the arc as a whole. The battle was exciting - I LOVED the HMP Gunships, I just wished they would have explained why these new rocket launchers were able to defeat them so easily as similar ones have been around forever. This show is still a bit heady for kids though I feel as the Afghan/Onderon parallel would totally be lost on them and as my wife said, the violence is a bit much for a Sat/Sun morning cartoon.

One thing I don't like is the fact that Obi-Wan, Anakin and Ahsoka launch a proxy war via Hondo. Would Yoda or other council members approve of this? I doubt it, but maybe this goes to that "recklessness" that Obi-Wan and Yoda spoke of in TESB and how far the Jedi as a whole have had to compromise themselves as the war continues drags on.

I have a non-story related question. Why the hell don't they render Dooku with his cape anymore? I find it very distracting and I keep thinking we're seeing him walk around in his PJs all the time or something.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 30, 2012, 12:06 AM
More expensive or complex?  They don't seem to like doing Jedi in robes too often, though this arc they seemed to do that a bit more as well.

I agree, it's not a good fit for Sat Mornings...  Friday night suited it much more as it's clearly aimed at more than just kids, but yet wants that audience as well.  I felt they really dumbed this arc down...  Forgetting the insurgent parallels, which I don't think they care if a kid gets it or not, they dumbed down the combat tremendously I felt, and just made it seem "spiffy" for eyecandy for younger viewers.

I liked the concept of orchestrating a war via the Rebels and stuff, I just felt they royally **** the bed on presentation.  Like I noted above, Ryloth, Geonosis, Cristophsis...  They've done combat scenarios far better in every season at some point.  Umbara, the initial episode with Fives & Co., Kamino, and for the most part all of their space combat sequences with a few quite notable.

This seemed like they were trying too hard to make it aim at the younger audience and more away from the adult.  Really disappointed me overall.  Stuff like this makes me dread the thought of them trying to do more toons at some point, for other eras Lucas may be considering covering.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on October 31, 2012, 08:14 AM
Mickey Mouse's first order of business should be to cancel this bore-fest. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 31, 2012, 09:36 AM
Mickey Mouse's first order of business should be to cancel this bore-fest.

Ouch.

Maybe they could make it better?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on October 31, 2012, 10:00 AM
I'm all for clean slates.  Be honest.  Aside from a few moments, has this show really impressed you?

I agree with the sentiment that there needs to be more wars in the stars in Star Wars. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 31, 2012, 12:43 PM
I'm all for clean slates.  Be honest.  Aside from a few moments, has this show really impressed you?

Actually, yeah, aside from the Katie Lucas episodes (banking regulations, senate debates, etc) I think it's been pretty outstanding. I enjoy this show much better than any of the prequels. But I have always been a huge fan of animated fare in general, so this is pretty much a mash-up of my two favorite things.

I'll kvetch about the writing and story choices from time to time like everyone else, but the visuals have been amazing and some of the new characters are really, really compelling, IMO. I mean, this is what got me BACK into SW collecting again, after years and years of being away.

I absolutely agree there is room for improvement though. I'm not sure what kind of impact the Disney move will ultimately have, but I'm cautiously optimistic. If nothing else it gives them another cable option for syndication.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 31, 2012, 02:46 PM
I'm all for clean slates.  Be honest.  Aside from a few moments, has this show really impressed you?

I agree with the sentiment that there needs to be more wars in the stars in Star Wars.

I've been incredibly impressed with it, at times.  Those times are long gone at this point though, as I found last season to be a bore in general, and I've found this season to be an even bigger bore.

So for my money I'm not totally against the show going away, if they have something new to roll out in its place.  Something of the in-between time of the two trilogies, perhaps, with a fresh look and fresh thinking.  TCW is a short war ultimately, at least on a galactic scale, and so it's a finite thing to me anyway.  I'd be fine seeing it wrap up soon I think because, to me, they're just not trying as hard as they did with some past stuff.  The creativity of some of those early seasons seems gone.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on October 31, 2012, 03:23 PM
I agree with you Jesse. 

There has been some stuff I really liked in Clone Wars, but sadly it was all in Season 1/2.  Stuff like Rookies or Ambush were great stand-alone episodes.  Landing at Point Rain was awesome (with the exception of the zombie-brain-worm things - that got to be a little much  ::)).  Some of the Cad Bane stuff has been really great.  The Maul/Savage stuff had me excited that we were in for a good run, but then we jumped into Twilight-Moon-Rebellion-90210 with the ridiculous jumping, twirling, emo Rebels of planet boring.

I'm hoping when we get back to Maul/Death Watch, it'll all pick up again.  When this show is focusing on Bounty Hunters and/or the actual Clones and war, it tends to be really fun.  When it's focusing on politics, scandal, and the senate.  It's really quite bor... zzZZZzzzzzzzzZZZZZzzzzz.  (http://www.jedidefender.com/images/newsicons/icon23.gif) 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 31, 2012, 06:51 PM
Exactly.

An arc that had really good quality was the one with Plo Koon and the Malevolence...  There was a great set up, mid-point, and ending...  It included main characters, minor characters, space combat, ship combat...  Had it all.

When they touch on the real war, the point of a series called Clone Wars if you ask me, then they really do well.  Clones, fighters, space, landing craft, warring on worlds that don't want it sometimes... 

This insurgency stuff, to me, made no sense.  I still feel it was silly from top to bottom in its premise really, and then the dumbing down of the combat just killed it for me.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 1, 2012, 02:58 AM
I wonder if they would keep this show around much longer, with the new movie coming out in 2015. Going to the idea of a "clean slate," I would think all loose ends would be tied up before launching brand-whopping-new material. It'd get too confusing with too much going on for Star Wars.

I don't see the point of expanding unnecessary arcs like the Onderon one into 4 episodes. It's 4 episodes of repetition and a waste. But I will say that I do think there was some pretty useful Ahsoka character evolving in this arc.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on November 3, 2012, 01:59 PM
Oh, hey, it's that planet that was in the other CLONE WARS cartoon.

Yung-Ling episode....interesting, which of them was named Yung Ling? Seriously, this was mercifully brief, though did we really need Ahsoka in this episode at all? My fav kid was the Ithorian,  didn't care much for the Rodian, "Kid Fisto" bit was typically trite (how dare he use technology!) and there was the douche human boy , which is what we are supposed to think of him...even though he was the first to realize they were gonna have to split up and do things on their own, even if it was for an egotistical reason.

All familiar Star Wars species...and do all the women in Adi Gallia's culture wear those tendril hats?

Who gets to remove the corpses of failed younglings?

Oh, and all these kids will be murdered in the next year or so. Ha-ha...kinda makes you wish they 'd all have flunked out of the Jedi order, huh?

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on November 3, 2012, 02:06 PM
I thought it was I fun episode, and one that I could watch with my young girls (3 and 2) without the fear of things getting too intense for them. Sure it was kind of a fluff episode, but it was one that wasn't even supposed to be a part of the series. So for what it was, a stand alone, it was good. The Wookiee youngling was my favorite. I only wish we could have seen them as a group with their new lightsabers to cap the episode off.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on November 3, 2012, 07:03 PM
Intense is being recruited at a tender young age by a strange religious order, then trained with deadly weapons, taught to master odd powers and put in perilous situations.

The Jedi are instituionalized child abusers.

I'm joking...I think.   ???

It was watchable. I'd take more one shots over another lifeless story arc. Why wasn't it supposed to be part of the series? They wanted to use Legos?

Funny, OLD FRIENDS was originally set to air...listed on the program guide. 

Oh, minor SPOILERS ...peaking ahead....this is the first of 3 youngling episodes... :-X 

See you in March, Darth Maul!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Lestat on November 5, 2012, 10:41 AM
I LOVED Gungi the Wookie. He might be my new favorite CW character.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 5, 2012, 11:05 AM
I guess people like the younglings?

The whole episode reeked of "greasy kid stuff" to me, and I'd almost forgotten it immediately after watching. Just so much fluff.

The whole time I kept wondering "how did they get that temple on Ilum rebuilt so quickly after the chameleon droids levelled it?"  ::)

What was Yoda doing just chilling out there? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to send a hologram?
 
The Hammerhead kid reminded me a lot of that psycho robot from Futurama that is always trying to stab everyone...LOL.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Pete_Fett on November 5, 2012, 11:26 AM
The whole episode reeked of "greasy kid stuff" to me, and I'd almost forgotten it immediately after watching. Just so much fluff.

When I opened this thread just now, I thought to myself "oh crap, I forgot to watch this past weekend's Clone Wars, then when I saw it was about the younglings on Ilum - I remembered that I had watched the episode.

What a waste of an episode.

I'm sorry, but at this point, they really need to start focusing on wrapping this up and leading up to the events of ROTS.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on November 5, 2012, 11:36 AM
A preview for next week's episode, A Test of Strength,

http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/starwars/preview/index.html
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 5, 2012, 02:25 PM
I loved this episode a lot...  Something about the Jedi training/Yoda episodes that seem to stand alone from the greater story (or at least they usually do), appeal to me.  I liked the Yoda/Toydaria story from way back in Season 1, for instance.

This episode slightly redeemed the season, but one episode a season does not make.  It was pretty slick though, and I'd take realistic versions of all the younglings happily.  Especially the Wookiee with underbite.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on November 5, 2012, 04:57 PM
That little Wookiee made me laugh.  Anyone else remember all this nonsense from the Hasbro Q&A a few years ago...

Apparently Lucas has something against Wookiees being Jedi.  There's supposedly an edict for the EU that the only Wookiee Jedi will now and forever be Tyvokka and Lowbacca.  And apparently this extends to Hasbro not making a Tyvokka figure.

I guess LFL changed their mind and Wookiee Jedi are cool again... maybe now we can get our Tyvokka action figure?  :P
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 5, 2012, 09:22 PM
Cute = Cha Ching I guess.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on November 5, 2012, 10:16 PM
That little Wookiee made me laugh.  Anyone else remember all this nonsense from the Hasbro Q&A a few years ago...

Apparently Lucas has something against Wookiees being Jedi.  There's supposedly an edict for the EU that the only Wookiee Jedi will now and forever be Tyvokka and Lowbacca.  And apparently this extends to Hasbro not making a Tyvokka figure.

I guess LFL changed their mind and Wookiee Jedi are cool again... maybe now we can get our Tyvokka action figure?  :P

I'm definitely happy to see the about face on the whole Wookiees as Jedi thing.  And Gungi was definitely one of the high points of the episode for me.

As for the episode as a whole?  I felt much more positive about this one episode than I did about the 4 part Onderon story arc. And to know that this story arc with the younglings will continue?  This season is starting to look a little better.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on November 10, 2012, 06:17 PM
Hondo or his men talking about maybe killing kids...

Hey, Ishi Tibb!

Seems funny the master of lightsaber construction is an old droid, not an old Jedi.

Acknowledged  that Wookies with the force are rare.

Ahsoka "I don't want to kill you!"

That is why you fail. I like Hondo, but really...she should've killed him.

I think next week will show us that this takes place before the season opener. Actually, this one might have based on Hondo's men...I can't remember them that well.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on November 11, 2012, 02:42 PM
I was awake at 8am a few Saturdays ago so I was finally able to add Clone Wars to my DVR list... recorded the last three episodes.

Won't comment on the last episode of that weird Rebel episode with the pterodactyls and the Droid Gunships... couldn't follow the story since I missed the previous episodes but it seemed really lame. Will wait and catch it on DVD.

The first Ilum episode was alright. I liked it, wasn't exciting but it was one of those episodes that does a great job of making Yoda feel like OT Yoda. Wookiee Youngling was AWESOME. Not sure why Ahsoka would be accompanying Younglings on that quest though, it seems like that's something that a stronger Jedi would be doing, or even a Master with an individual Apprentice.

The second episode (this week's) again was alright. Again not sure why Ahsoka is in charge of so many Younglings on such a large ship by herself. Hondo and the Weequay pirates were pretty cool. I kinda liked the droid lightsaber master. Was kinda hoping to see one of the Younglings build their saber during the chaos, maybe have the Show Off kill a pirate just because.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on November 11, 2012, 07:25 PM
This was an episode more for kids, the fight of Ashoka and Hondo was naif: too many jumps and very few techniques.

The engenneer professor droid looked curious, a brand new animation, that could have a reminicense to Dexterīs bar on Coruscant.

But deep inside the naivité of the episode is a bit of darkness when the human youngling killed one weequay by short circuit of the light saber.

The robot told it was due the circumstances, but at last, even younglings could be forced to kill.

I think as animation got haste at the end of the episode, to end a fight or close the emission, the pirates were bouncing on the walls, the corridors like puppets or plastiline figures who never arrived to break apart.

This need revision, 3d animation is not perfect yet, better they simplify some scenes, instead of lots of marionettes they couldnīt handle properly.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 11, 2012, 07:51 PM
Huyang was sweet, and Dr Who did a nice job with the voice-over work. I think the whole shtick seemed a little reminiscent of Harry Potter and the wand-maker Ollivander but whateves.

So how come the little dopes couldn't just roll up their sleeves and bust out a sonic screwdriver to put those lightsabers together? Do you guys use the force to fix a sandwich too? Sheesh! Luke didn't need to levitate no little pieces together on Tattooine, he put that stuff together OLD SCHOOL!  ;D

If those damn crystals are so precious, why is there no security whatsoever to accompany them? Why couldn't they send a distress signal to the Jedi Council?

I think it would have made more sense to use random, non-Hondo affiliated pirates. Dude killing little kids is a little f-ing dark. That seems way over the line from what we've seen them establish for him character-wise to this point. Profit or not, that's beyond the pale.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Pete_Fett on November 13, 2012, 07:09 PM
I think it would have made more sense to use random, non-Hondo affiliated pirates. Dude killing little kids is a little f-ing dark. That seems way over the line from what we've seen them establish for him character-wise to this point. Profit or not, that's beyond the pale.

Especially when you also factor in the recent Onderon arc where Hondo got the weapons to the Rebellion and the Confederacy started attacking and Hondo was like "Oh my, look at the time, I think I need to be going..." - he was a great bit of comic relief there, almost like the Pirate with a "Heart of Gold".

Flash forward to two weeks later and he's like "Yeah, I like killing kids and eating their hearts too - as long as it makes me rich!"

Huh?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on November 13, 2012, 07:38 PM
I think Hondo's key character element is selfishness. He had nothing to gain from helping the rebels on Onderon. He already was paid handsomely. He did not bring weapons to be a nice guy, and I get the impression based on the Dooku/Ani/Obi ransom episode that if he could have turned that situation into his monetary favor he would have.
     Also remember Hondo was gunning down little farmers for spices before Anakin, Obi, and Ahsoka stepped in during the bounty hunters episode. Children are not too far from there.
     I think this wrinkle in Hondo's character is hard or a lot of us to swallow because we want him to be the lovable scoundrel that Han Solo was for us in the OT. (because sometimes he as been)Turns out most bad guys don't have a heart of gold.
     It does seems a bit unrealistic that he crystals are worth so much though. If they were, would not every padawon be gunned down by a headhunting sniper?
   
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 13, 2012, 09:13 PM
I think Hondo's a little bit Han Solo without the Wookiee conscious over his shoulder.

Not that Han would kill kids I guess, though who knows.  He's pretty much a selfish prick in ANH and Chewbacca seems to guilt him a bit to make him think about what's right.  That was played out in the Radio Drama a little more too before they leave Mos Eisley.

I liked Hondo well enough this week...  He's funny enough, but still a pirate.  Money makes him happy, and his men, and he's happy to do whatever is necessary to get it.

What I didn't like...  how did they get sucked out of one ship, and into another?  I am no space expert, but I don't think you could just float from one ship to another in deep space, without a suit, without suffering some damage.  I can only suspend disbelief so far, ya know?  And that was my breaking point.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 14, 2012, 04:26 AM
    I think this wrinkle in Hondo's character is hard or a lot of us to swallow because we want him to be the lovable scoundrel that Han Solo was for us in the OT. (because sometimes he as been)Turns out most bad guys don't have a heart of gold.

I gotta say, this argument really won me over, because I was just so confused as to how unagreeable this portrayal of Hondo has been with his previous appearances. But what you said here really does make sense; he is a pirate, after all.

I hate to say it, but this would have been a perfect and dramatic episode to kill off Hondo. When he and Ahsoka were crossing swords and he was saying something to her and she gave him that final warning, I was on the edge of my seat because I thought she was totally gonna gut him. Oh well. ::) Woulda been some great character development on her part as a maturing Jedi because she knows how Hondo has been a help in the past.

I remember my little sister was watching this too when Hondo said he was gonna turn Ahsoka into profit. AWKWARD! My sister said, "He's gonna sell her?!", and I of course was rolling my eyes because Hondo's line can be so misconstrued into something, well, completely not right. :o
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on November 14, 2012, 11:15 PM
Now we're talkin' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Nrul2fsQdro)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on November 15, 2012, 12:40 AM
 :o
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 15, 2012, 11:13 AM
Damn, that red deco Y-Wing Bomber would have been a sweet addition to this line. Nice to see the Droid Gunships in action too. It almost looked like they were deploying SBD's.

Probably would be a good idea to install some of those brace shields on the Jedi cruisers too.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on November 15, 2012, 12:26 PM
So, the Jedi insufficiently protecting their youngling ceremonies leads to the death of hundreds.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 15, 2012, 01:59 PM
Noticed the Y-Wing's engine struts in the burning hulk?  Pretty cool.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on November 18, 2012, 03:55 PM
It was about time we got to see Grievous's trademark move again...TIME TO ABANDON SHIP!

Space battle was rather arbitrary...but welcome.

Did want to pay David Tennant for this episode.

And...why would a space circus perform for pirates that had previously killed members of the troupe?

Somehow the kids are less annoying than the Onderon arc characters.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 18, 2012, 08:45 PM
I like the kids...  I get the circus thing being for kiddie entertainment but I agree, it was sort of poorly thought-out.  That said, it's all far better than Onderon...  It all, almost, makes sense.

That Wookiee kid is, as far as I'm concerned, the best candidate for a figure the CW has produced in the past 3 years IMO.  I'd love some Younglings though, and would buy any of them if they were realistic.

I loved Hondo this episode...  Just a drunken, whoring, goofball.  They're trying, a little bit, to give him some Jack Sparrow I think, and I like it.

I thought the spacebattle was actually kind of important for a couple reasons...  One, to me, they needed to get back to the war, in a big way, and this was a good way to do it.  Kenobi's just buzzing around and boom, enemy fleet.

Second though, I liked that they put Kenobi off in what seems like a whole new story arc...  He's now adrift it seemed, as I didn't see any surviving Republic ships.  Where's that going then?  They could just leave it to off-screen explanation that he just escapes and everything's hunky dory.

On the third thought though, the spacebattle set up the Younglings and their whole story...  It seems like it might not be over too, but I guess next episode we'll see what way they're going, be it Kenobi or Ahsoka/Younglings.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 19, 2012, 09:00 AM
Maybe watching this show late at night on Saturdays is not the best time for me, I can barely remember what happens each week now. Sometimes that's for the best though.

For a second I thought I had tuned into "A Bug's Life" or "Madagascar 3" both of which had that EXACT SAME PLOT DEVICE. A circus?!?! Seriously?

So what was Hondo's big plan for making profit off of Ahsoka anyway? She astutely points out that the Republic would never pay a ransom and the Separatists can't be trusted. Who was he going to sell her to - the Brothers Maul? Didn't seem like they got along too well the first time. Maybe Death Squad?

LOVED the space battle. Loved the Z-95's or whatever those things were buzzing around with the Y-Wing bombers. (Seriously, make that Hasbro) Even Grievous' shuttle would make for kind of a cool ship I think.

Methinks Huyang needs some more screen time to merit an action figure, but that was probably a long shot anyway. Damn.

I'll take a Gungi and Byph, and even the Rodian nerd, but no more punk human kids. And they can't make Baby Stass Allie/Adi Gallia until they give us the grown-up version first.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on November 20, 2012, 06:34 PM
Dooku's Revenge! :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=asJXbIwJ-mg
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on November 21, 2012, 04:08 PM
I liked the last episode, especially the Z-95s and Y-Wings... I agree with those who think THOSE should have been the main ships for the Republic in the Prequels, but there's another thread for that.  :)

Circus plot was kinda lame but ultimately fun. Served its purpose of getting Ahsoka out of there.

Really my only beef was Obi-Wan's hologam message that was supposed to distract Grevious. Great distraction and plan, telling him you're going to blow up the ship. ::) Why not just fillibuster him? He's distracted long enough for you to still escape, plus he get's blown up. I know he has to survive for Episode III, but still. :-*
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on November 24, 2012, 12:45 PM
The ending of this arc was awesome. Again, Hondo is what makes this series so great. The whole episode was exciting from an action standpoint and the appearance of a certain ship gave me goosebumps and a smile from ear to ear.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on November 24, 2012, 01:09 PM
There's one repaint ship we won't see.

Dooku let Hondo off light. Not sure why Dooku was dismantling the ships, as opposed to just commandeering them with droid crews.

Hondo calling Dooku a Sith lord but seemed to think Maul and Opress are Jedi in the episode set after this one (they reshuffled the airing order).

Grievous has some strange speeder, one yet to appear in toy form.

Kenobi letting Hondo go? WTF?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on November 24, 2012, 09:46 PM
Hondo vs Grievous


Hondo is a more complex character than Grievous, whose lines are the plainest of the galaxy far far away.

Grievous is always depicted overacted, and with an uncontrolled fury in almost silent videos.

General Grievous is the representation of violence without intelligence. Filoni needs urgently to make him kinda
a Bane from DC Batman, that is a subtle villain.

Today the cyborg and Ashoka watered down in their fight, specially the padawan who looked weary.


Returning to Hondo, he is better balanced, seems inspired in Sir John Falstaff from Shakespeare plays;
sometimes funny with wit, others with the lust of flirting. His new attire and wardrobe let him get that evolution.

Filoni should drive more attention on Hondo, and why not? profit from his lizard monkey too. So Filoni, give the pet a name, search a Greek, macedonian, arabic name which fits the series.


About weequays

complex drawing, two colour faces with cartilage and flesh, muscular pirate was like Pote Snitkin.



Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 25, 2012, 07:40 AM
There was a new episode this week?

I checked On Demand last night, but it wasn't up yet, usually it is available right away...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on November 25, 2012, 08:58 AM
Yep.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on November 25, 2012, 10:50 AM
I am beyond annoyed with my cable provider.  I've got my DVR set to record all first run episodes of Clone Wars.  And someone in the chain has apparently screwed up by not tagging the past few episodes as new or first run.

Is it the cable provider just dropping the ball?  Or is this perhaps Lucasfilm not providing the first run tags in an effort to help drive downloads or DVD sales from people who weren't able to DVR the show?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 25, 2012, 03:12 PM
My DvR missed the first little bit of the episode.  Very odd and annoying.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 26, 2012, 11:06 AM
I have to say, I think I enjoyed the series more when I could get excited about the possibility of toys being made from some of these things. Grievous's speeder, etc.

Instead I'm just left to analyze things like why Obi Wan lets Hondo go, or why Dooku doesn't just turn the pirate camp into glass from the upper atmosphere without engaing ground troops. Or why they didn't use the shields on the Jedi Cruiser when they were being chased on Florum. Silly stuff.

I know I'm better served to just enjoy the ride, but it's hard not to trip up on minutiae sometimes...



Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on November 26, 2012, 01:28 PM
1st Preview for this week's episode, Secret Weapons.

http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/starwars/preview/index.html (http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/starwars/preview/index.html)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Pete_Fett on November 26, 2012, 01:54 PM
1st Preview for this week's episode, Secret Weapons.

http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/starwars/preview/index.html (http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/starwars/preview/index.html)

*UGH*

Seriously?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on November 26, 2012, 05:30 PM
I think this is the story or part of it, that leads to a Republic Commando being featured.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 26, 2012, 07:44 PM
Yes, I recall that from C6...  They bring a retired commando out of retirement or something or other.  Seems to go kick ass on his own.  That clip aside, it may have some redeeming qualities.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 26, 2012, 08:37 PM
Yeah, this is the kind of pap I was expecting when they announced the move to Saturday mornings. I guess the episodes with guys getting their limbs hacked off are all behind us now, eh?

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on December 1, 2012, 12:58 PM
I rather liked the episode and I'm not an astromech fan. Sure, the tiny colonel was goofy*, but at least it was as numbingly dull/repetative as any episode of the Onderon arc. Funny how the only regulars were R2 and briefly Mace Windu, but it was nice to have an Ahsoka-free episode again (I don't dislike her, but  being in 8 episodes in a row is too much.)

Got a Terra  Sinube cameo (non speaking).

R2-KT.

The mad doctor droid upgrader was pretty silly, but cliches/homages abound in Star Wars.

Not sure why a pit droid was needed. for the mission..can't astromech's autopilot ships? But storywise we needed another talking character.

*Though, the Colonel's stalk eyes reminded me a bit of that spider creature from John Carpenter's The Thing.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on December 1, 2012, 02:31 PM
Fun episode!  Liked the droid factory...and the droids.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on December 2, 2012, 06:42 PM
Thought it was a big meh...  kind of cool at times but the back-and-forth conversations between the Pit Droid and Colonel were pretty silly and annoying at times.  PLus how did the Pit Droid suddenly become smart and competent?  And why, when floating, couldn't the droids move their arms better to aim?  And does swimming a doggie paddle motion move you in zero G? :)

Silly episode...  filler sort of.  Curious how the Commando comes into it, but it seems to make the whole group of droids much cooler ultimately.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on December 2, 2012, 06:54 PM
I kind of liked it too, mostly for the small things...Tera Sinube cameo, that new Phase II clone that escorted the Pit droid into the meeting at the beginning, crazy Dr. Gubacher...even the zero-grav battle at the end was sort of cool.

Mini-Krell? I could have done without really. Just ggofy and annoying.

I'm also heartened that this is the second arc now featuring a Super Tactical Droid prominently. really hoping to get this guy made next year.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on December 2, 2012, 07:26 PM
Interesting episode.  Featuring astromechs like that is always good in my book.  The Pit Droid was *SLIGHTLY* reminiscent of the Pit Droids from TPM and their slapstick antics, but provided that dialogue foil that the Colonel needed in the episode.

I liked the scene in the Jedi situation room.  The Jedi cameos were cool, as was seeing that Clone who bore a striking resemblance to Commander Neyo from ROTS.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on December 2, 2012, 10:01 PM
I thought the episode was ok, but I am almost 40. The last arc and this episode have really made an impression on my eight year old. He has not asked me to watch episodes over an over since the box at year. I think other than the chopping off arms beginning of the season, which really was more of a finish to season 4 than season 5 episode the staff has done a great job writing fun, an adventurous episodes that fit the Saturday morning time-slot. (other than the space pirates potentially killing kids) As much as I would love to see non stop space battles and ground combat, I think they have found a happy middle ground that has a true essence of Star Wars. I will also compliment the writers on focusing on characters that we don't know the fate of. It makes it more exciting when Ahsoka can die, the younglings can be killed, or Steela can be dropped off of a cliff. Even one of the droids was taken out this week. As the 2015 episode 7 date gets closer, the window for this series is closing, but it could be a fantastic finish if they keep this up.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on December 2, 2012, 10:31 PM
Action on season 5 is slowering down

the episode 10 was clumsy
frog colonel almost disgusting

children aimed, cause movement seemed a mario bross arcade
action always in haste, without letting appreciate combat.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on December 2, 2012, 11:42 PM
I liked the episode. Sure the dialogue was a bit stilted but this is Star Wars we're talking about.  :P I'd love a "Secret Weapons/D-Squad" battle pack with these upgraded astromechs. If they can put Serpias in a suit for the 2011 CW line I think they can whip up a Colonel Gascon and stick him is an R5 astromech dome. That would be rad.

Oh, and that was Neyo making his first appearance in the episode - which was cool.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on December 3, 2012, 02:51 PM
What I was liking about CW though, was in many ways they've proven they CAN be better than the prequals...  This episode really wasn't.  I liked the astromechs and want figures of them though.  And I like the goofy little guy.  I'm ok with that.

I just found this one a little too kiddy for my liking...  The whole series has always been aimed at kids, and some of the very kiddie episodes were more appealing (R2/3PO last season).  This one, just a little too goofy for me.  I think the next one seems to be them righting the ship, somewhat.  Assuming the next one is them bringing the Rep Commando into the situation.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on December 3, 2012, 05:03 PM
1st Preview for this week's episode, A Sunny Day in the Void.

http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/starwars/preview/index.html
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on December 8, 2012, 01:14 PM
Weird episode again this week. Almost felt as if they slashed the budget for the series, so they decided to put a few Astromechs in a generic background for 30 minutes. Pretty lame.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on December 8, 2012, 05:51 PM
Yeah, it kinda sucked and felt almost entirely like filler. The totally barren planet was almost interesting for about 5 mintues. Waaaay to much dialouge between the Colonel and pit droid....hell, it was almost a radio show, you could close your eyes and you wouldn't miss anything...maybe the comets. And joke talk about suicide? For saturday morning?

What did we learn, that the stuffy colonel can adapt? That Astromechs are smarter than pit droid and little loud mouths? I think we got that last time.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on December 8, 2012, 11:54 PM
Hmmm.  I had gotten the feeling that last week's episode was going to be a one-off.  And after this week's episode, I wish that I had been right.  This episode was un-good.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on December 9, 2012, 10:58 AM
So to review the plot summary... separatist nava computers suck because they can't detect 600 giant comets that will be in the way causing a crash on a dustball...droids roll around in the dust.

I watched it, I just don't know where the 22 minutes went. ( let's keep our fingers crossed that there will be a deleted scene added to this episode on the blu-ray so we can have a few more seconds of awesome adventure  :P )

This has George written all over it.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on December 10, 2012, 01:39 AM
Stuck through to the end of this week's episode but it was pure BS.  The dialogue is crap between the droid and the little gruy from Men in Black.  The series has really been a let down for me at this point.  They've really taken it to a point where I think it'll be hard for me to enjoy it anymore short of a complete u-turn.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on December 10, 2012, 03:09 PM
Kind of a head scratcher...did they envision this would play out differently when they shot it, I wonder?

I didn't hate it as much as others, but I agree it wasn't the best use of my time. Still, I prefer to stuff like this over seeing the obligatory Separatist villain of the week clown the Jedi with more half-assed schemes. That stuff is way more played out, IMO.

I am hopeful that the more screen time they get, the better our chances are of an astromech BP, complete with mini-Gascon.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on December 12, 2012, 04:34 AM
For an episode filled with nothing but dialogue, you would think they would amp that part up. The little colonel guy is somewhat acceptable being that he's supposed to be gruffy, but the pit droid? I hope we see that thing get blown up by the end of the arc. ;D

It's funny, the featurette for this episode has George sitting at the head of a table and all the writers doing their thang, I guess. The writer being interviewed said, "George said he wants to do an episode where -" At that point, I would have imagined they would have all hushed him. I don't know, I'm not sure why I think of George's input on this series at this point, with it turning into such a stinker.

Darth Maul and Mandalorians, pleeeeeeease be the next arc!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on December 12, 2012, 03:05 PM
I'd laugh if the writers all rolled their eyes and swore under their breath.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on December 12, 2012, 08:31 PM
Darth Maul and Mandalorians, pleeeeeeease be the next arc!

Hate to say it, but I think the mid-season hiatus (complete with re-runs) will be the next arc.  I think we might have about 1 or 2 more new episodes before the hiatus, with new episodes probably resuming in February.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on December 13, 2012, 03:06 PM

Hate to say it, but I think the mid-season hiatus (complete with re-runs) will be the next arc.  I think we might have about 1 or 2 more new episodes before the hiatus, with new episodes probably resuming in February.

Nope, the hiatus has begun already. Going by Cartoon Network's site, Revival reairs this weekend then the Onderon arc starts again on the 22nd. 

They've done another mid-arc break like last year. Wikipedia says the next new episode airs on January 5, 2013 (2013-01-05).

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on December 13, 2012, 08:03 PM
That's ok.  I'm already not caring haha.  Poor CW.  I really feel its become a hopeless thing, wishing for a really powerful and still fun episode.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on December 17, 2012, 06:54 AM
What a crappy way to end the half season
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on December 17, 2012, 08:06 AM
Though, appropriate representation of the season so far...a desolate and empty void. The only episode that mattered this season was the opener, which, if they'd gone by original airing orders, probably wouldn't have aired until next year.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on December 17, 2012, 02:45 PM
What a crappy way to end the half season

I'd expand the thought by contracting the statement.  Take out everything after "crappy", and up to "half".
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on December 17, 2012, 03:47 PM
I liked the opening arc and most of the lil' Jedi arc was fun, just for the little jedi kids (especially the little wook). 

The rest was pretty meh.  The emo-twiglight stuff with Ahsoka and Lux and the planet of the world's most boring/talented rebels was blah.  I didn't even bother watching the last few droid episodes.  Meh.

Bring on the Death Watch and Brothers Maul.  Maybe (hopefully?) they can inject some excitement back into this show.  We need more Bossk too.  As long as you introduced him, use him (and Aurra and Cad and baby Boba too - even Dengar too for that matter).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on December 17, 2012, 08:32 PM
I didn't like the opening Maul/Oppress thing.  I just can't get into it due to I just can't get into Maul surviving.

That said, loved the Younglings.  It was the only bright spot of this entire season thus far, to me.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on December 31, 2012, 05:54 PM
1st Preview for this week's episode 'Missing in Action'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=KQGhFbpVfts
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 5, 2013, 03:06 PM
Thumbs up to this episode if only for the cameo by Kenner Walrus Man! The Russian-accented Sullustan short order cook was an odd heel, too.

Gregor looked better with the beard. Gregor in armor is an easy repaint for Hasbro, so look for him never of next never.

Unrelated note, DC Nation is back, finally.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on January 5, 2013, 11:08 PM
Funny Walrus Man on Missing in Action   ;)
they need to include Hammer head, greedo (vintage versions too)

This chapter explores poverty, as they tried to depict an undevelopped planet.

Coackroaches, flies, trash gave the ambience of crisis to that galaxy far away,
and so it brought the internal crisis of Gregor...
He wanted a new life (a dream)
It is a blink to "Complaint of the Homeless" by Allen Ginsberg.

The Vietnam vet who returns America to wipe carsī windshields.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 6, 2013, 05:36 AM
So apparently there's this new book out called "Darth Maul: Shadow Conspiracy."

And why should you care?

Because it reveals things. BIG things. About the upcoming Maul/Mandalore arc.  :-X

Spolier: Lots of people die. :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on January 6, 2013, 08:43 AM
Definitely liked the Kenner Walrus Man cameo.  Very nice nod to vintage collectors!

I also liked the nod to the Republic Commando video game with the final sequence.  Having Gregor fight the Battle Droids as he did was very reminiscent of some of the gameplay from the RC game.  Especially blowing up the fuel drums to take out the Battle Droids.

This episode may have made the previous episode in this Droid/Seperatist communications decoder arc almost semi-tolerable. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 6, 2013, 12:01 PM
Spolier: Lots of people die. :o :o :o

Yousa thinking yousa people ganna die?  :D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on January 6, 2013, 04:55 PM
So apparently there's this new book out called "Darth Maul: Shadow Conspiracy."

And why should you care?

Because it reveals things. BIG things. About the upcoming Maul/Mandalore arc.  :-X

Spolier: Lots of people die. :o :o :o

If the storyline summary I read based on this is accurate...This could be the best Clone Wars Arc ever.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on January 7, 2013, 09:58 AM
So apparently there's this new book out called "Darth Maul: Shadow Conspiracy."

And why should you care?

Because it reveals things. BIG things. About the upcoming Maul/Mandalore arc.  :-X

Spoiler: Lots of people die. :o :o :o

It is an interesting read, but it bears mentioning that they did not just wrap up a bunch of TCW scripts and turn them into a novel. This reads like an entirely separate tangent that does not necessarily represent where the show is going, any more than the Clone Wars comics do. I am skeptical that Filoni would allow the rest of the season to be spoiled so blatantly. I'm sure there will be some similarities, but I'd be surprised if all that stuff actually came to pass on the show.

As for the weekend episode, I liked seeing Walrusman. That's about the best thing I can say. I don't understand the plot at all anymore. Why was there a Republic Attack Shuttle there? Where did it come from? Ditto the cruiser in orbit? Where were the Separatist ships? I thought nobody knew they were there?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 7, 2013, 10:47 AM
All will be....might be...probably won't be answered next week.

What was the Republic's greatest defeat that we never got to see?

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 7, 2013, 03:55 PM
Allowing people like Colonel Dip to be involved?  I'd feel defeated.

Last episode was a marked improvement though, however I think TCW has been intentionally setting the bar so low so they can just half-ass the rest of this year and lull fans into thinking it's going out with a bang.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on January 8, 2013, 12:05 AM
Yeah the last ten minutes of that episode were okay, but the story still sucked. Felt like they had a decent idea but spent so much time on the stupid Void episode that they realized they had one episode to do the Commando plot and had to cram it into ten minutes. Would have been fine as its own arc, even if the story is rehashed from the deserter episode.

Some of that stuff was ridiculous though. Why was the Sullustian cook so evil? He should have had a pencil thin mustache to twirl with his finger. "YOU WERE BORN TO WASH DISHES, MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" Why did Colonel Frogger spend half the episode telling the Commando he was being used, only to himself use the Commando to escape the planet?

I missed the Walrusman initially (thought he was the one spitting the tobacco but apparently not?) and wound up finding a pic on the Rebelscum forums. Surprise surprise, they all LOVED the Void arc. ::)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 8, 2013, 12:28 AM
I really had high hopes of the whole Commando arc thing when it was teased.  That was a definite deflated balloon, but I enjoyed that town and it being a mix of Tatooine/Coruscant.  I find it odd that the Separatists were there though, with that big goofball idea going on.

And then a random Clone Commando in that one tiny town in the middle of nowhere?

What... luck?

No such thing as luck, I guess, but wow.  :)

I liked some of the episode though.  I refuse to be tricked into being excited for new episodes though, haha.  I've been fooled basically the last two years.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 8, 2013, 11:25 AM
There's a Separatist mining operation on the planet according to something I read.

The devastating battle Gascon mentions was in a comic book, there's a decent nod.

I still like this arc more than the Onderbland one. It has been drawn out too much, but that applies to all three arcs this season, which account for over half the season (12 episodes). It's interesting how little Kenobi and especially Anakin have been used. I'm not complaining. However, it's a bit silly for the only "starring" character in a four episode arc to be R2-D2. Jettisoning the pit droid for 3PO might've been preferrable, but his appearances seemed limited...budget or Daniels' availability? I don't know.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on January 10, 2013, 10:20 AM
New episode titles,

http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCProgram.do?sId=EP01087361&t=Star Wars: The Clone Wars&method=getEpisodesForShow&desc=on

S05, E20
The Wrong Jedi
3/01/2013

S05, E19
To Catch a Jedi
2/22/2013

S05, E18
The Jedi Who Knew Too Much
2/15/2013

S05, E17
Sabotage
2/08/2013
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on January 10, 2013, 10:34 AM
S05, E19
To Catch a Jedi

Anakin walks into Ahsoka's apartment only to be greeted by Chris Hansen...  "Hi there, why don't you take a seat?  What brought you to this underage girl's apartment tonight, sir?"

Sounds like a great episode!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on January 10, 2013, 11:21 AM
All of them are named after Hitchcock films.


To Catch a Thief
Sabotage
The Man Who Knew Too Much
The Wrong Man
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 10, 2013, 08:08 PM
S05, E19
To Catch a Jedi

Anakin walks into Ahsoka's apartment only to be greeted by Chris Hansen...  "Hi there, why don't you take a seat?  What brought you to this underage girl's apartment tonight, sir?"

Sounds like a great episode!

Glad I wasn't the only one lol'ing at that.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 11, 2013, 08:19 AM
What happened to the episodes that were  to be 6-8, supposed to air last fall:  "An Old Friend", "The Rise of Clovis" and "Crisis of the Heart"?

Are they going for a 23 episode season or what?  End it on a Padme centered arc?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on January 11, 2013, 08:51 AM
LOL, Clovis = unadulterated SUCK, I hate that whiny doosh...I thought Anakin had him murdered at the end of his last episode anyway.

It is curious how those fell out of the cycle, but I can't say I'm going to miss them.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 12, 2013, 12:35 PM
"Point of No Return"...it was better than the Bridget Fonda movie of the same name. Speaking cameo for Tarkin. Bunny droid.

Why did Gascon initially think the separatists were just going to blow up that ship, one they went to the trouble to capture? What an idiot.

Why did they call it a Jedi Cruiser? It's a Republic ship. Maybe they think the audience is dumb. IT's A GOOD GUY SHIP!

Horrific droid casualties. Is this the buzz droid's first appearance on the show? Can't remember.

So a major strike is foiled mostly by happenstance? R2-D2 saved the day...and future murderers Tarkin and Anakin and the sin of that is on his dome! ANH is now about R2 trying to atone for his past.  ;)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on January 12, 2013, 04:23 PM
That explosion, and ensuing fallout, from the Cruiser was one of the best rendered scenes in the series. I guess the Republic has nothing better to do than scour the wreckage for one astromech though.  :P

I liked the build-a-droid reference there at the end. Too bad it means **** now as a result of canceling of the BAD line.  ::) :P

I also noticed that during one of the commercial breaks they showed that the ETA-2 "ROTS" Jedi Starfighters will be making an appearance soon.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 13, 2013, 05:22 PM
Better than I expected...  I agree on the points you made scockery.  The "Jedi Cruiser" name really dumbed it downa but IMO, probably for kids?  I dunno.

I will say though I'm with Jayson on that explosion.  It almost helped that episode along a lot.  Why am I more interested in the strategy meeting though than this whole story arc? :(

It has the potential to be better and more adult oriented while still appealing to kids, but I feel like the series has taken a permanent turn downward in the adult appeal.  Now you're lucky to get a bone thrown your way like Walrusman, and while people go nuts for a second, I feel like that's really sucky compared to past seasons.  This arc had some redeeming qualities though, and hopefully the next plot line has more.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on January 13, 2013, 09:33 PM
Agree, more action than expected
as the droids become acrobats and fighters

Gascon looks a bit like boss nass
but with a more serious voice.
He could be of some use for further episodes
but as a supporting character.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on January 13, 2013, 11:41 PM
I didn't mind this episode really... it had some action at least. Gascon is pretty awful for a Star Wars character though, and I wonder if this arc would have been better without him.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 14, 2013, 12:05 AM
Agreed on Gascon...  horrible character overall.  I get the need for him to be small and all, but I'd rather they just had a goofy droid play that part.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 14, 2013, 12:24 AM
I missed this...the skeleton in old ship wreckage in "A Sunny Day in the Void" was Jaxxon's...or a similarly dressed member of his species.

Seems the next arc is three episodes, though we actually got part 1 of 4 out of sequence as the season opener.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on January 14, 2013, 09:04 AM
I missed the Jaxxon skeleton originally too, that was cute.

So, yeah, it was a cool explosion this past episode. Funny how a ship loaded with enough explosives to destroy the4 entire Republic fleet as Gascon notes, isn't even strong enough to atomize a droid sitting right in the center of it all. That was so beyond plausible to me I just had to shake my head.

Yay, Tarkin sighting. Increased potential for animated figure being made by 0.000123%.

For real though, if that new Super Tactical Droid is not part of the line this year I'm going to plotz.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 14, 2013, 02:16 PM
That is funny.  I'll chalk that up to the little Col. being a worthless, exagerrating dickweed.  Which he pretty much was.

I see the ship's intent as just being a direct course on that station.  Kill a lot of high-level people in the Republic and topple it.  Maybe even a mission Palpatine isn't aware of, concocted by someone in the Separatists maybe a little pissed off at how the war's dragging on people like Dooku and Grievous never accomplish anything?  Who knows.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on January 14, 2013, 06:56 PM
As cool as the explosion was, it's utterly sad that the merits of this show have been reduced to how cool its explosions are.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on January 14, 2013, 07:20 PM
The more I think about it, why wouldn't the CIS bring the cruiser out of hyperspace at the last possible second, if at all? I mean why not slam it into the station at hyperspace speed, detonating the explosives and destroying a huge contingent of the Republic fleet in one fell swoop.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 14, 2013, 09:09 PM
Maybe the station has some protection against that?

Was it close to a planet?  Maybe that inhibits the ability to fly in hyper space too close?

Being that it's Clone Wars, a lot of it is ill-conceived IMO.

In X-Wing the Alliance steals a shuttle and delivers an explosive to a Destroyer hidden amongst the stolen shuttle's original cargo.  It's one of the first, or an early anyway, destruction of a Destroyer I guess.

Anyway, basically, it was a billion times more plausible than this whole arc, and it was a 30 second cut scene in a game from the 1990's.

Another scenario had them taking a Corvette, setting it to autopilot a course at an Imperial Drydock that would have it basically ram through the command towers of destroyer after destroyer that were docked for repairs, and ruin operations for a sector.  A similarly awesome sabotage scenario.

I highly suggest anyone interested look those cutscenes up on Youtube.  They're short, glorious, and you got to actually be a part of it all if you played the game to boot.  That's just good fun.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 14, 2013, 11:14 PM
For some reason the battle droids were not programmed to be suicidal and planned to leave in the shuttle, can a shuttle take off from another ship in hyperspace?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 14, 2013, 11:36 PM
From what I recall in EU, you can't just leave a ship in hyperspace without something bad happening.

It stands to reason that's why the Alliance ships leave their hangars before they head to Endor too I figure.  Easier to just jump on their own rather than try jumping and forming up when they get there.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Master_Phruby on January 15, 2013, 09:22 AM
How does someone hold on and survive having the door open during a hyperspace jump? Wouldn't the ship implode from the air being sucked out at light speed? Why turn on holograms of the crew? Who is looking in the window at light speed?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 15, 2013, 02:42 PM
The door thing, I dunno.  There's not a lot known about hyperspace for some reason.

In another game, damage on the ship seems to react to the "tube" they're in while escaping, with electric arcs zipping from the tube to the ship and back.  It's weird really that there isn't a lot of detail on hyperspace travel itself, and what can and can't be done during it.

On the holographic guys, I figured that was if they tried to communicate with the ship they'd get some recording from the guys, and maybe buy more time for the ship to get close to the station.  They didn't try so it was a moot point but I can see the precaution I guess.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on January 15, 2013, 09:34 PM
In X-Wing the Alliance steals a shuttle and delivers an explosive to a Destroyer hidden amongst the stolen shuttle's original cargo.  It's one of the first, or an early anyway, destruction of a Destroyer I guess.

Anyway, basically, it was a billion times more plausible than this whole arc, and it was a 30 second cut scene in a game from the 1990's.

Another scenario had them taking a Corvette, setting it to autopilot a course at an Imperial Drydock that would have it basically ram through the command towers of destroyer after destroyer that were docked for repairs, and ruin operations for a sector.  A similarly awesome sabotage scenario.

Rogue Squadron 3 had a similar mission where the Alliance hijacked an Imperial cruiser and some TIE Fighters, and you had to protect the cruiser from the real enemies since it was preprogrammed to fly into a space station/force field thing so they can destroy a Super Star Destroyer.

But yeah, still made more sense that that explosion. In fact I thought they were going to have some of the windows get cracked, possibly breaking, with some Republic leaders being sucked out to space or something.

I think it would have been better to do some sort of "wide" shot showing that the ship was still pretty far away from the station, thus why the station had minimal damage... oh well.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Pete_Fett on January 15, 2013, 11:55 PM
I've been thinking about the D-Squad arc and I have to say, even if I was a kid, this show would be pissing me off right now.

There is a difference between writing for your audience and writing to insult your audience and I'm sorry, but that Gascon douche-bag character really was a horrible, insulting addition to the Star Wars universe, no matter what age you are.

What would have been so bad about having this mission run by Seripas instead? Have him helping out the Republic or working for the Republic outright as a by-product of his friendship with Ahsoka.

The ONLY reason why I can see NOT having it run by Seripas instead is because he would have managed the mission with the same skill and determination that he demonstrated in the "Bounty Hunters" episode, and all of the stupid set-backs that Gascon experienced either due to incompetence or over-confidence would have never happened, and the entire arc could have been compressed into two episodes instead of the long drawn out mess that we got.

And that brings me to another point - why were stories like the one in "Bounty Hunters" compressed to a single episode, but the "Moron Gascon" arc expanded out to four epsiodes? (or was it five?) Clearly there is no "voice of reason" on the writing staff for this show. I'm sure we'll get one more cool episode in the Maul/Savage arc and then two weeks from now it will be the triumphant return of Col. Gascon as he investigates food poisoning in the Senate cafeteria. Great stuff!

Please Disney - end this show NOW.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 16, 2013, 02:42 AM
Although I love this show for bits and pieces of what it had to offer, I would love for Disney to step in and takeover and say, "Disregard all of the new 'canon' this show has established." Even if that means throwing away that Darth Maul ever came back, which I love, I'm alright with that.

The previous Clone Wars-era canon the older comics and novels had set up was very well thought out. It had depth and it made the newer characters more complex and likable. It fleshed out amazing backstories for Asajj Ventress and General Grievous, and expanded on the brotherhood between Anakin and Obi-Wan that made it so much sadder when it went to flames in ROTS.

The show has disregarded all of that previous canon, hell, it even made some lame retcon to make Zabraks and Dathomirians the same species. Also, I still refuse to believe that Ahsoka actually survived her duel against General Grievous - I guess he's just some cheap lightsaber-spinning character now.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on January 16, 2013, 12:14 PM
Although I've liked some of the stuff we've seen this season, and I do enjoy astro droids as much as the next person, I really feel like this season has been boring.  It used to be "appointment viewing" for my daughter and I, and now it is more a DVR and we'll get to it when we get to it type of thing.  I really liked the opening episode with Maul/Oppress, and since then it has been mostly boring.

My daughter and I were just talking about it this weekend when Obi-Wan and Anakin showed up at the end of the episode, when she said "finally, some Jedis".  I think we've seen "the Colonel" more than we've seen either Anakin or Obi-Wan this season, and if you truly are getting back to trying to appeal to kids - I think they'd rather see Jedi slashing and troopers blastin'.  Hopefully the back half of the season is back to more of that warring formula. :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 16, 2013, 02:34 PM
I used to watch this with my gf and the kids too Brian, and now they laugh at it being so bad.  She'll sometimes still sit and watch it, and she doesn't really pick it apart for my sake I think, but she's become quite willing to tell me when one sucks.

She hated this last story arc...  She missed at least the Walrus Man episode, but caught last week's, and she said it was really silly and, "unrealistic" (her word, but I agree especially after we've all sat and picked all the plotholes apart here), and said it was pretty boring.

She brought up R2 being a Ninja too, but not doing anything like that in the films save for his couple sequences in ROTS which were nothing like in the toon.

I won't quit watching, but I'm going to now just squeeze watching this in without prepping.  No way in hell I'm buying seasons on DVD now unless they're almost free too.  I've missed buying the last 2 boxed sets, and I'm not upset.  The movie, and the first couple seasons, were all better and worth having around.  Since that whole trippy Jedi dream sequence they had with The Father, The Son, The Daughter, and whatever the hell else, I feel that was the beginning of the end for this show, in terms of quality.

I may be in the minority, but to me that whole thing flew in the face of Star Wars.  It was silly, ill-conceived, and easily forgotten to me.  I just can't believe they screwed up the "Kids love Clones" formula.  Kids and adults both enjoyed it being just a visualization of the show's name, since we didn't get to see the actual Clone Wars on screen.  Blah.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on January 16, 2013, 03:06 PM
I just can't believe they screwed up the "Kids love Clones" formula.  Kids and adults both enjoyed it being just a visualization of the show's name, since we didn't get to see the actual Clone Wars on screen.  Blah.

Yeah, it's really a bummer.  I really hope this isn't the last season because it's such a turd.

I hope we do get a season next year, one that fully focuses on the ramp up to RotS (with ZERO new characters introduced, because let's face it - 85% of the new S3/4 characters suck ass.  Give us a couple episodes each on what happens to Ahsoka, what happens to Rex, what happens to Cad Bane, Palps putting the pieces in motion for the final showdown (plotting his own kidnapping at the hands of Grievous!), and more Anakin and Obi-Wan TOGETHER, actually doing something for a change, preferrably in the ROTS starfighters and preferably with the 501st/212th in tow.  :P
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on January 16, 2013, 03:46 PM
LOL, I was just thinking last night, "Man, remember how great those episodes were with the Force-Wielders!" To each his own, I guess, that was an amazing arc to me so I tend to look at it as more of the zenith of the show than the beginning of the end. It's definitely been on a downward trend this year though.

Those dudes over at GH seem pretty keen on the droid arc, so I guess there is always a welcome audience no matter what direction they go.

To Jeff's point, considering all the set-up they have left to do before ROTS, they could stretch that into two very solid seasons IMO. Just map everything out over 40-44 episodes or whatever. Go out with a bang, I say.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 16, 2013, 04:24 PM
Here's what really sucks...

The opening crawl to ROTS says, "there's heroes and villains on both sides..."

How about taking the ROTS crawl,a nd just working off that?

I've said it before, and it still stands.  The 2D Clone Wars shorts were miles superior.

It doesn't help though that Lucas made characters like Grievous pretty chumpy in the films too.  Grievous, in the 2D toon, had Jedi ******** their pants.

Lucas even set up the premise that Jedi aren't super heroes himself, in TPM, and he really didn't play that up either.  They did a little better with that whole Lair of Grievous bit and the Mon Cal mail-away figure.  That was a great figure, a great promo, and a great story arc.  It set Dooku up as a bit of a sadistic boss.  It set Grievous up as tougher than just a slightly smarter battledroid with emphazima, and it let some actual fear creep into the show.

To me, the show's height was Landing at Point Rain...  War, war, war.  Action, action, action.  Clones and droids dying left and right.  It's been downhill from there IMO with a few spikes of ok.

If you do a cutesy one-off episode (3PO/R2 one, whatever), fine.  But only ONE!  One a season, and only one.

How they went from the greatness of the sinking of Separatist version of the "Bismark", to where this show is now, is really just hard to wrap my mind around.  The map was there.  This has to be what happens when Lucas is too involved.  Only he could make me look at the Disney buy-out as nothing but a positive thing.  Someone's there to say, "uh, yeah, no", or at least that's my hope.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on January 19, 2013, 11:08 AM
SPOILERS

I won't get too much into the details, but today's episode is without a shadow of a doubt the high point of the season. A high point in the series. Throwing the Darth Twins in with the Mandos is inspired and makes for a crazy half hour. This episode is very cinematic, rich in color and design, excellently directed, and proof of this show's maddening inconsistency.

It's also an indictment of the Hasbro CW line. The line is virtually pointless. This episode showcased dozens of characters, most of whom Hasbro has not or will not produce:

Sugi
Dengar
Couple different bounty hunters from past episodes (not sure their names)
Pre Visla 2.0
Bo Katan
Mando Trooper 2.0
Maul 2.0
Savage w/ robot arm

I can go on. Anyways the show is great, and you'll sigh as you see all the great figures that will never be made.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on January 19, 2013, 11:28 AM
I wonder what a Hutt smells like when you behead one with a light saber?

Certainly  a top 10 episode.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 19, 2013, 01:48 PM
Fun episodes. Shows that good-guy free tend to be like that. Though, it reeked of fanfiction a tad with all these forces coming together. The odds on Pre Vizla finding the Brothers McMaulin' adrift in space? Must be the will of the force. Jabba colluded with the bros., ableit under pressure, but wasn't later killed for it by Sidious?

Vizla repairs the bros before he gets them to ally with him. Not wise.

"They have honour."

"More weakeness."

Nice, very Sith exchange.

I've not read spoiler or the book, but I'm guessing Pre Vizla's future is short. I almost thought they'd kill Sugi.

I liked the lumbering Gamorrean coming at the Mando with his axe and just getting shot. Haw! Also, the "you're telling me that I can find Jabba at Jabba's Palace." Beyond the obvious humor, that also made me laugh as how simply things are named in Star Wars sometimes.

Did the Mando transport appear or just the fighter? I thought I saw the transport breifly once, not sure.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 19, 2013, 04:35 PM
YES FINALLY!!!

This episode was really very good. They're really making Maul's return worthwhile and important, instead of having him pointlessly return just for the fan hype. His new duds kinda remind me of Anakin's Episode III costume. That's pretty cool.

I loved Maul's line so much!! The "So you're telling me... I can find Jabba - at Jabba's palace?" The tone used made that line so beyond funny, especially because it's coming from Darth Maul.

I can't wait for them to actually get to Mandalore and kick everyone's ass.

And that duel against Sidious is undoubtedly going to be epic on so many levels. :-X
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on January 19, 2013, 05:17 PM
Yeah, awesome episode! Loved the Black Sun/Xizor people cameo. Also loved seeing Jabba's goons in action, even if they were just there to get their butts whipped.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on January 20, 2013, 11:15 AM
I have to say, I think Eminence was the best episode so far this season.  Maul and Savage are a force to be reckoned with.  Their scheming against the Mandalorians, all while building an alliance with them, really gets to the heart of the Sith identity.  Using a potential adversary for your own gain, all while planning on betraying them in the long term makes Darth Maul look like a far more sophisticated character than we ever saw in The Phantom Menace.

I definitely enjoyed watching Maul, Savage and the Death Watch going to Mustafar to meet with Black Sun.  Bringing the Falleen & Black Sun in to the mix was a very nice nod to Xizor from Shadows of the Empire.  And if you're a fan of the comics it was also a cool callback to the Dark Horse limited series that featured Darth Maul taking on Black Sun prior to the events of The Phantom Menace.

....And then they take on the Hutt crime families?  That was pretty amazing.  First they go to Nal Hutta, which is a major EU gem.  Yeah, I know the show has gone there before, but this time it just had a bit more gravity.  Plus, the combined Sith / Death Watch / Black Sun forces attack Jabba's Palace on Tatooine?

My only gripe here?  That we had to sit through that terrible Onderon arc, and the first half of the D-Squad arc to get here.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on January 20, 2013, 03:38 PM
Maul is building a team based on fear, Vizla doubts of his project in the end of this chapter.

Action was ok, but showed with haste (sometimes fights were naïves, like kung fu operas)

when Black Sun and Jabba are free from menace they turn in Maulīs favor. (the gangs alliance looks questionable)

Seems for credibility, Mandalores must left garrisons in both places (a detail missing in the episode)

Hope if they use Dengar again, they wonīt show him as a runner. Always that guys in turbant vendage seemes mysteryous.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 20, 2013, 07:31 PM
Using a potential adversary for your own gain, all while planning on betraying them in the long term makes Darth Maul look like a far more sophisticated character than we ever saw in The Phantom Menace.

I agree with you x10 on this one, and that's why I think Filoni and the crew are finally doing Maul's return some significant justice. A lot of the original thing with Maul in Episode I was that he was pretty much a one-dimensional character because he looked so badass, but honestly we didn't know anything about the dude or his own personal morale. Now that there's a chance to develop him, it really proves that he really is still that evil badass, and he's truly a Sith at heart.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 20, 2013, 09:13 PM
The scene after this cut scene makes more sense now.

(http://starwars.com/img/explore/the-clone-wars/slideshow/ep514/trivia/trivia09.jpg)

I was wondering why they asked the greeter to make the decision.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 21, 2013, 02:08 AM
This was a much more fun episode than, well, anything this season...  It was a good episode in general, but I still largely prefer a lot of other past season's episodes over this one.  I'd maybe put it top 10 out of the entire series though, but I'd have to go back and think about that a bit.

I have some issues like others mentioned...  Finding the Maul brothers adrift, kinda weird and unlikely but whatever.  I can live with that.  A little more annoyed at the zippy pace they took with this week's episode more than anything.  Felt like they crammed way too much into a short time.

I didn't care for Jabba being made look weak, IMO, by episode's end.  Kind of diminishes his character to me some.  I always liked that he basically laughed in the face of danger.  Now he seems weak I guess.

I loved the Mando's, and I really feel like this series has missed a chance to take them and make that whole arc a much more compelling and important story in the overall Clone Wars themselves.  A missed chance, IMO, as the series has what I feel is a quickly diminishing shelf life at this stage of the game.  Instead the Mando's are involved in an almost wholely separate conflict.  I just don't like that, and feel it was a bad direction.  Yet more of the series called The Clone Wars being about anything but The Clone Wars, to me.

I liked the Younglings arc (despite it sort of deviating from the war as well), so I can't say this is the only episode this season I enjoyed, but it's been pretty slim pickings so far.  I did enjoy this one a bit though and look forward to next week a bit more.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on January 21, 2013, 10:55 PM
First off, thanks for the cut scene picture, I was wondering "how hard would it have been to throw Xizor in just sitting at the table" but now I know why they didn't include him.

Yay, Katee Sackhoff got another paycheck! Hang in there, girl!

It felt like three episodes crammed into one. Some amazing stuff, I mean - Embo, Sugi and Ratts Lazzi versus Maul Bros? Hell yes!

But yeah, the whole toy-wistfullness quotient was way high on this episode. Some of these would have been absolute no-brainers two years ago.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Master_Phruby on January 22, 2013, 09:49 AM
Do you think we will see Xizor do something to avenge his brothers? Why do these guys all have to wear the same clothes?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on January 26, 2013, 10:17 AM
Today's episode was nuts!  :o
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 26, 2013, 11:16 AM
SPOILERZ (as if that isn't given)

Surprised by the return of Ex-Prime Minister Kidkill (that's a Simpsons reference). But it wasn't like Maul would find some new character to be his puppet.

At least Vizla didn't go out like a chump. A warrior's death he deserved.

So Satine is still alive to be a scapegoat. Maybe they schedule her execution next week.

BTW, what's the point of high tech holding cells that allow you to easily converse with the inmates next door? Besides for plot purposes?

The Pikes still seem mysterious...and the callback to the school lunch poison crisis made me wonder why they didn't use the reptillian smugglers from that episode, but apparently the Pikes were some Lucas personal creation he wanted in.

I didn't notice any Hutt henchmen used in the attacks.

I like Opress knocking some random woman over the railing (a guard saved her). Those super-high buildings just seem like they'd lead to many falling deaths.

Easy new figure, Guard leader with a new head...never happen. It's kind of annoying to see the Mandalorian police men used in action so much, since their figure lacks knees.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 26, 2013, 01:03 PM
That duel was.... W T F!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on January 26, 2013, 03:25 PM
Almost makes you wish they would have fleshed this story out to last the entire season. I feel like I would pay to watch Star Wars the Mandolorian Wars.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 27, 2013, 04:40 PM
According to Wookiepedia, this season is only going to be 20 episodes long, as opposed to the normal 22 episodes.

After this Maul/Mandalore arc, which has one episode left, is the Ahsoka 4-episode arc, which I guess will be the finale for this season. It seems anyways that this last arc is also very climatic as well as being hugely important for Ahsoka; Filoni had always mentioned that by saying something important would happen to her this season.

I always thought that there was something off about the second trailer for this season - it had a lot of material that we haven't seen yet, and with all of the arcs being mostly 4-parters, I always wondered how they would fit all of these episodes into this season. For example, it looks like the Clovis arc has been eliminated (which, in the trailer, showed Anakin beating him up in front of Padme) and also whatever episode(s) would have Embo trying to assassinate Padme (like in the snow chase scene from the trailer). 

Too bad Filoni didn't do away with the whole terrible D-Squad arc and free up four episode slots for the eliminated episodes. I wonder if they'll be in Season 6.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on January 27, 2013, 10:06 PM
Sweet Jesus, i can't believe we wasted 4 tediously dragged-out episodes with Colonel Froglegs and then have to rush through all the total badassery like they have been doing. This could have easily been a 4 episode arc, and yeah I know there is one more to go but sheesh! It was like their whole epic crime spree occured in about twenty minutes, I mean literally.

It's hard not to dig on Clancy Brown, Sam Witwer and Jon Favreau throwing down...some A-list talent there. Adios Pre Vizsla, may your untimely exit not impede our chances for an updated animated figure this year!

That was a pretty sweet duel, no doubt, but I don't see why Maul just didn't just force choke him or whatever. Not good theatre I guess. I kept wondering "how does this guy keep going toe to toe with Maul when Kenobi was getting pwned last time?" I LOVE the Vorpal Saber too....man, that thing is sickly animated.

How cool are the freaking Pykes?!?! Damn, I want one of those now. Ditto Black Sun dudes, Bo Katan, etc ad infinitum...

If nothing else, it seems clear the show can be pretty freaking awesome with no clones, no Jedi. Hats off to Filoni for getting the groove back~
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on January 27, 2013, 11:46 PM
Nice episode "Shadows of reason"

Funny to watch  ;D

Maul ambition is growing bigger as he is an improvised tyrant for Mandalore

About Pre Vizla death, it makes Death Watcha looks headless, alienated to a different band (sith, dathomir, renegade warriors)

Only one flaw in the combat between these dudes: Maul could be more kung fu proficient, but it is not credible he kick pushed
so powerfully Vizla in the air, while he was high flying and at full speed of his jet pack.

For the upcoming battle among Sidious and the horned brothers,
I can say one of these devils would die, if not both; perhaps Savage Opress
will get stabbed many times by Palpatine.


As Maul returned to life, however in the end of Episode I, Windu said they made an analysis of his heart... and why they didnīt incinerate the body, where it was buried or preserved?

Palpatine can collect the Maul and Savage bodies to clone and manipulate them, as Force Unleashed proposed this use of
Starkiller Galen Malek.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 28, 2013, 01:15 AM
A much better episode...  I liked how it played out.

Ultimately it feels a little like Lucas reaching to "fix" The Phantom Menace...  Making something that actually seems more evolved than his movie, out of a few episodes of a cartoon, is kind of sad.   :-X  It has a very TPM'y feel to it though, in that it's the whole "who's orchestrating this?" vibe going on...  I kind of hope they acknowledge that similar premise when you-know-who decides to put a stop to the Sith silliness going on and get the war back on track.

Hate when you hit speedbumps like your dead apprentice coming back and being competent.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on January 28, 2013, 06:28 AM
As this arc goes on Maul is coming across as a much more complex and fleshed out character. His manipulation of the various factions has been very deft, and he's showing himself to be much more the Master to Savage Opress's apprentice.  And his fight with Pre Viszla?  It was one of the best moments of the season, if not one of the best duels of the series.  Viszla armed with his dark saber as well as the Mandalorian armor against an agile Force wielding Sith with a lightsaber made for some of the best combat we've seen in the series.  And you have to appreciate that Maul was struggling somewhat since he seems to be getting accustomed to the cybernetic legs that the Death Watch gave him.

Where does this all go?  Well, the season trailer with Sidious has to give you some indication that things are going to get more .... complicated.  And there's also the matter of Obi-Wan getting involved in the conflict, which we also saw in the early trailers.  I have to suspect that he may join forces with Bo Katan's faction in an attempt to restore Satine to power.

But the most interesting thing about this Maul/Savage/Death Watch arc?  We're getting into characters whose future doesn't have the level of certainty of the mainstays like Anakin, Obi-Wan, Padme, Yoda, etc.  We all know that those characters survive the Clone Wars to make it to the events of Episode III.  With the characters in the past couple of episodes we just don't know how things will shake out, and for me that makes for a much more compelling storyline.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on January 28, 2013, 11:49 AM
I know a lot of this Maul/Mando stuff reeks of fan service, but I have to say I've been enjoying it quite a bit.  It may be the fact that the majority of this season has been kind of boring, so it seems like we're going 0 to 60 now with this new arc, but this show has been "fun" to watch, which has been a lot more rare in the last couple seasons.  Looking forward to next week's episode, and like my daughter said "hopefully we'll see some good guys too".  :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 28, 2013, 12:15 PM
That was a pretty sweet duel, no doubt, but I don't see why Maul just didn't just force choke him or whatever. Not good theatre I guess.

Certainly not honorable combat. Maul knew his opponent and his goal. Maul had to best Vizla to win leadership of Death Watch. Force choke Vizla to death and everyone in the room is gonna start shooting at Maul.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on January 28, 2013, 01:18 PM
Yeah, good stuff... and I agree that they should have ditched that terrible Void/Garcon (whatever his name is, I don't care enough to look it up) arc and given this arc a few more episodes. I feel like that Maul/Vizla duel should have come after like 3 episodes of those two plotting behind each other's backs and trying to one-up the other.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on January 30, 2013, 03:27 PM
"Lawless" Preview #1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCt-At_k6bY) and #2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvsHE_W0RBs)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 30, 2013, 03:37 PM
Obi looks to have some good moments.  Nice to see the ship is around, if not a little FUBAR.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: evenflow on January 31, 2013, 12:42 AM
I was watching an episode and the Black Sun was in it. Completely awesome! Wish they would do a Shadows of the Empire series.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: bobafett14 on January 31, 2013, 01:49 PM
The last 2 episodes have been fantastic.  As a fan o th EU, these stories really help,and tie in nicely.

A lot of folks found the Pacifst Mandalores a bit off...th last 2 episodes certainly help bring this back around.   The Maul/Pre Visla fight was as epic as you can probbly get for a TV cartoon series.  Lots to like with these 2 episodes...they both have me wanting more. Mot f the episodes have been either hit or miss for me  (probably as many hits as misses) but the last 2 epsiodes are what I've longed for.

Good stuff!

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on February 2, 2013, 10:12 AM
Mind blown after today's episode.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on February 2, 2013, 10:15 AM
SPOILERS

So I happened to be up early today and caught this live. Is the end of the arc? Not sure. If so, a mystifying one.  A lot - A LOT - of build up to have it all come apart so quickly. I knew Satine was doomed from the start of this arc, but her death ultimately has no impact. Obi Wan actually achieves his greatest victory over Maul before Maul kills her, when he explains his strength and Maul's weakness. Satine's death doesn't change that, it actually only reinforces it. To have Daddy come home at the end of the episode and ground the kids for being bad erases everything Maul was doing. This confrontation was inevitable, but should have come much later - how fantastic would it have been to have followed Maul as he rivaled the Sith, confronted Dooku, and ultimately his master?

Again, there were more toys we'll never see.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: MistaBinks on February 2, 2013, 12:15 PM
My only complaints are that the force powers slid into superhero territory. Elevating and choking seemed go be pushing it.

My only other complaint is that this storyline could have taken up well over six episodes. Great stuff but rushed.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 2, 2013, 02:28 PM
While entertaining, I think it misfired.

Complaints:

1. Bo Katan as Satine's sister....unnecessary and rang false...she was part of a group plotting her sister's death? Estranged relations, indeed.

2. Maul begging for mercy. A. he should know better, as he was Sidious pupil. B. it doesn't fit/borderline character assassination...I guess it does make Pre Vizla twice the man Maul is.

3. Sidious sparing Maul. He insisted Dooku off Ventress, she was too strong in the dark side. Sidious plays by his own rules, though. The Rule of Two is for his own protection. I guess we will find out his plans for Maul.

4. Yes, about the force ability, Sidious used telekinesis a lot. Maul and Opress didn't at all.

5. What was the scene about Palpatine requesting a shuttle? That went no where.  ;)

6. How did Sidious know what was going on? Spies. Sure. Magical force sense that operates at key moments? Uh...

7. Kenobi saying Maul was forced to be evil...a tad of a leap, better applied to Savage Opress, whose origins he was more aware of.

8. Prime Minister ******bag is still alive.

9. THEY KILLED THE TWILIGHT! NOOOOOOO!!!

We also got Mas Amedda and Ki Adi Mundi cameos. Hoo-rah.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on February 2, 2013, 03:38 PM
This arc is missing another episode, which given the four wasted on the droids thing, just makes me scratch my head, but whatever - Palpatine sensing the rise of Maul seems to needlessly rush the end of the arc. What should have happened is that after Satine's death, Obi-Wan reports the take over of Mandalore by Maul to the council and Senate. Since it's Sith related, the Jedi change their minds on an intervention. He and Anakin lead a task force back there to clean house. Obi-Wan struggles with some serious anger/grief and it would have paid to show him be a human being. At this point he's so detached that it's hard to even empathize with him.

Palpatine naturally becomes aware of the situation on Mandalore, and this is his reintroduction to Maul. I agree Maul's cowardice is completely out of character. I don't believe for a second that Maul would react this way. Nor do I believe Sidious would initally act on his own. He would send Dooku first, unless Palpatine legitimately feared Maul so much that he had to act. The clinic he ran on Maul and Oppress pretty much proves he had nothing to fear. If they had explored Palpatine's fear through the prism of Maul's miraculous survival - here is a Sith with extraordinary ability - then I could see it, but it's handled as if Palpatine is taking out the trash.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 2, 2013, 04:59 PM
I agree about the length, though technically, the arc really was four episodes, they played the first part out of sequence as the season opener, since it was ambiguous enough in its ending to be a stand alone episode.  Remember we see Hondo's camp in ruins...the result of Separatist attack during the younglings arc. (In the rearranged airing order, the attack won't occur for 7 more episodes).



Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on February 2, 2013, 05:37 PM
The duel Sidious vs devil brothres was ok and gave relief to the audeince when killing Opress

I agree with a previous coment, it si possible maul further face Dooku, even Grievous, lol  :D ;D
But someone must kill Maul. Anakin in rage, Obi Wan in justice or Yoda as preventing Sith to reassemble in the near future.


About Satine, her murder only showed Maul more crazy than ruthless.... itīs a pity Maul hates cutties.

Remember a bit when Jabba kills Oola, but the Hutt was in lust t this moment

For Filoni... he lost a lot killing Satine

I can undesrtand his plot and commercial purposes but


Satine in love with Obi Wan, would have been positif as most powerful Jedis have married Kento Malek, Anakin, Luke in expanded universe.

So many seasons with Satine and what a waste Obi Wan didnīt kiss her in the cell when she hugged him or as a farewell

I think it wouldnīt have express weakness in Jedi, as Sith are identified with Hate and Jedi  with Love.


Jedi without belongings, but who was watching? So Obi said: "ok I am 36-37 and canīt kiss a girl because it is not politically correct as I am a Jedi Master"

Justice is up to Kenobi, indeed Jedi feel the need of vengeance too, but it is a war.


In conclusion to definetely kill Maul a Jedi must behead him or then slice him in two, this time not horizontally, but vertically
like when the Cid, Rodrigo Díaz de Vívar did with a Sarracen enemy.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 2, 2013, 09:40 PM
Satine's death was very, very impressively done. Although I've known for awhile that she was going to die, my jaw still dropped when I saw the scene. It was so emotionally gripping. One thing I really respect that Filoni did was that he said, in an interview, that he purposely had Obi-Wan not burst out in tears/emotion/etc. because 1. as a Jedi, he has to keep it together, and 2. he wanted to save that emotional outburst for when it finally comes after beating Anakin on Mustafar. I think it makes a lotta sense and I appreciate that he put that thought into what fits for Obi-Wan's character.

The duel was very impressive. From the onset, we always knew Maul and Savage were basically f*****. I thought this was very apparent when Savage knocked over Sidious, who just smiled like, "Yeah, so?" and took them down with him. You knew HE was in control. There was a sense of impending doom that entire duel.

And yeah, Maul begging for mercy may have been out of character. Even my little brother said, "I'm surprised he's crying!", which is really funny for a nine-year-old to pick up. But I'll just accept it as Maul knowing he's had his ass whupped to the ultimate level, and he's probably even more screwed going forward in Sidious' plan.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on February 2, 2013, 11:03 PM
Watching it again on the DVR Obi-Wan is less robotic than it first seemed. I totally get the reasoning behind his lack of an outburst, but I think it was too measured; that being said, the scene was near pitch perfect. Her death was very affecting.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on February 3, 2013, 08:35 AM
Wow.  I'm impressed on a number of fronts with this episode.

First?  The callbacks to previous episodes.  It seems that a lot of the plot points from previous episodes involving the Mandalorians, either on Mandalore or the Death Watch, have been culminated in these past couple of episodes.  The romance storyline with Obi-Wan and Satine doesn't seem quite as pointless as it did when it was first explored.  And revealing that Satine and Bo-Katan were sisters?  It draws an interesting parallel with the conflicting Mandalorian pacifist movement and the warrior culture behind Death Watch.

The aerial battle between the Mandalorian factions was actually really cool to watch.  The abilities of the armor have really been showcased in a great light, and it's made the buildup in the overall Mandalorian storyline worth waiting through.  But I don't know if the rest of the audience has that kind of appreciation for the slow buildup.

As for Maul and Savage?  Well, Maul's plans certainly seem to be unravelling.  He over-estimated his ability to manipulate and control the Death Watch, and didn't see the possibility that there might be a rebellion against him and his puppet government.  His execution of Satine was absolutely cruel, but not well calculated enough to achieve his desired goal of breaking Obi-Wan.

And then to watch Maul's realization that Sidious has come?  I was amazed to see the shift in Maul's character from confident, scheming conqueror to an almost sniveling sycophant when Sidious arrived.  And Savage Opress was really a non-factor, showing that he was not even worthy as an apprentice.  This duel absolutely upped the ante from Maul's duel with Pre Vizsla.  Especially since Sidious broke out TWO lightsabers.  I was a little surprised to see Maul do the same, using both his Sith lightsaber as well as the Dark saber.  But it was very clear as to who was the true Master, and who was the apprentice.  Then, when Sidious unleashed the Force Lightning on Maul, it was clear as to how he had dominated and controlled Maul from the time he had been selected as an apprentice.

Am I surprised that Sidious didn't kill Darth Maul?  Actually, no.  Because Darth Sidious is always plotting.  And I suspect that he means to use Maul as the story of the Clone Wars edges towards the events of Revenge Of The Sith.  My own theory is that Sidious plans to use Maul as he continues to push Anakin Skywalker further towards the Dark Side.  And the recurring theme of LOSS in Anakin's story arc seems the most likely avenue by which Sidious will use Maul to push Skywalker that much closer to becoming his apprentice.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on February 3, 2013, 10:04 AM
The Twilight    :'(
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on February 3, 2013, 11:42 AM
I agree Sidious plans to confront Anakin with Maul, but The Chosen One is stronger.
Other discovery about bionic parts: Maul didnīt die because his bionic limbs donīt produce a short circuit which compromises his lungs.

About the magic armour of Opress, he ended in a simple short, even without his boots

there is another clue: Night Sisters, witches and Talzin can create material items from black magic (the green aura),
in some way it is a blink to sith alchemy. In EU there are sith mutants, beasts, transformed also by spells.

While Dark Side vs Light side of the Force was a duel of Ki or Chi, Sith vs Night sisters is a duel of magic.

Some fiction Universes keep the magic characters interacting with main characters (example: Shazam, Black Adam in DC)

Returning to Palpatineīs plot, he should confront Maul and other Sith assassins against the night sisters, as magic is posing an active opposition to dark side hegemony.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on February 3, 2013, 12:01 PM
I agree Sidious plans to confront Anakin with Maul, but The Chosen One is stronger.


Agreed.  But I think Sidious plans on using Maul in a more insidious fashion.  How?

I suspect that Sidious wants to turn Maul loose with the aim of killing Ahsoka.  Anakin has clearly become very fond of his young padawan.  And we came to see that over the course of Anakin's story arc he has been troubled by loss.  When his mother died in the Tusken Raider camp he lost control and slaughtered the Tuskens.  And when he thought that Padme had betrayed him he turned on her as well as his own Master, Obi-Wan Kenobi.  I have strong suspicions that Sidious will use Maul to kill Ahsoka, driving Anakin further towards the Dark Side.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on February 3, 2013, 02:19 PM
Yes Nicklab, as you stated, Sidious plans must be insidious, sophisticated
perhaps weīll see the results on season 6.

I could only suppose that now nightsisters are in the target of Sidious
so he needs to destroy them (a republic army into dathomir could do the job),
however as alchemy has appeared on Clone Wars
Sidious would be eager to get that magic art from a night sister,
cause it will be a coveted resource for him. Maybe as he has collected several Holocrons
from fallen Jedi.


The most cruel and ruthless ending to this clash among Sith and Jedi
could be that Maul Kills Ashoka, forcing Anakin to literally destroy that devil (severing his arms, beheading him, etc.)
and Maybe making The Chose One take revenge on Dathomirian people, as he did with Tuskens. (falling into dark side or
preparing him to fall for ep.III events)

Nevertheless I wish Ashoka survives, cause she is a character who give freshness to the series, and she could, in a near future, contact classic characters such as Luke and Leia. Only saying.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 3, 2013, 02:24 PM
Loved last night's episode...  Seeing Sidious come deal with things, pretty cool to witness him a little more hands-on.  I like that aspect of Maul kind of forcing his hand...  I have my beliefs as to how Maul will be used...  I think it sets things up nicely for possibly wrapping up the series even, if they wanted to.

I liked the Twilight...  went out like a champ, and was all ******.  Enjoyed Kenobi's musings about the ship too.

Satine...  Great ending.  Would've liked to have seen Kenobi slightly more emotional...  he was at the end of ROTS, and could've been here.  Not outbursts, but some tears would've been nice.  An "I love you too" would've been even better.  Show he's flawed and his flaws partly attributed to Anakin's fall as well.

The series really missed many steps though...  Mandalore should've always been a much larger role in the war, and it's a shame they never used it to its full potential, again going back to the ****** arcs they've had using Mandalore.

And this season, yeah, just shows how wasteful they were with episodes rather than building on this awesome storyline they have had.  Could've easily stretched this out... made things more emotional, developed relationships and characters further.

BTW I thought Palpatine asking for a shuttle was him just getting his ride to Mandalore, no?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on February 3, 2013, 10:10 PM
Ok, for real, a red Death Watch repaint would just be so easy, Hasbro. SO EASY. I guarantee you would not lose money. Listen to me!

SO much to love about this episode, the aerial Mando combat, the Sith duel, the spectacular death of The Twilight, they couldn't have packed much more in if they tried. And yeah, they probably should have tried, about 6 episodes would have felt right for all this.

So passes Satine, pretty sure the character with the most lines in the history of the show who was never rendered in plastic. My collection will forever be incomplete without her. Ditto Bo Katan.

What I loved: all the aformentioned stuff, bittersweet seeing the Twilight go out like that, and with it, the symbolic chances of ever seeing this made in plastic. Definitely feels like they are tying up loose threads before the ROTS transition. I wonder how many episodes we'll be getting in Season Six?

Really cool to see the Mandos in all their glory, gave me a new appreciation for a bunch of dudes I always felt seemed a little overhyped. But seriously, you guys have the most inept prison system in the universe. Frigging Jar Jar could have busted Satine out of that joint apparently. Maybe try those magic "brace shields" that seem to work so well in ROTS?

The Sith Duel was pure fanboy cream dream, but impossible not to love, especially the part where Oppress gets nailed. I had to re-watch that at least 3-4 times. I was almost waiting for a Highlander-esque "there can be only two!" line from Sidious right there. Which would have been entirely appropriate with Clancy Brown and all, but I digress.

Maul begging didn't bother me so much, dude seems kinda broken still after all those years in exile, gotta wonder what Sidious has in mind for him though. I have to think they tie up that loose end next season for sure.

I didn't really get the whole end sequence though, Obi just wanting to get away to warn the Jedi Council. No desire to pursue Maul or Oppress, or some kind of counter-attack against the evil PM? Just gonna let the clones go in and mop things up? And no Force rumblings when 3/4 of the most powerful Dark side wielders in the galaxy are throwing down right around the corner?

I guess it just struck me as odd that he would resign himself to some sort of protracted military response rather than just going back and kicking ass with a highly trained team of Jedi Commandoes or some such thing.

Anyway though, some pretty high high-points in these last few episodes, some of the best stuff we have gotten all year. I hope things don't grind back down to dullness in these last few Ahsoka-centric episodes coming up...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on February 3, 2013, 10:32 PM
BTW I thought Palpatine asking for a shuttle was him just getting his ride to Mandalore, no?

But Sidious and Palpatine are two completely different people! :D

Yeah, good episode, but again, way too rushed. They could have spent an entire SEASON on the material from this arc and the other Mandalorian episodes. Satine's death was pretty sad, too, and I wouldn't have minded they have Obi-Wan just turn emo and depressed for the rest of the episode. If they had properly planned this arc out they could have even done a bonus episode with Anakin having to help him get his groove back or something.

LOVED Sidious kicking ass, and didn't mind his exaggerated powers one bit. I mean he's one of the most powerful guys in the galaxy, as strong or stronger than the best Jedi, Yoda, who lifts friggin' starfighters, so yeah, I can believe him easily tossing a few guys around.

And obviously Maul has to survive so he can attack Owen Lars and baby Luke. :D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 4, 2013, 12:33 AM
Fought Yoda to a standstill...  if not sort of beating him.  I don't mind the over-the-top force powers either.  His sailing about the Senate was a bit out there when you think about it.  Yoda's too.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: MistaBinks on February 4, 2013, 08:42 PM
Any significance to the Mando soldier with the horns on his helmet?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 4, 2013, 08:43 PM
On SW.com he's simplyy listed as a Captain of the new Maul version of Death Watch.  Guess he'd be tougher.  I dig him.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on February 4, 2013, 09:16 PM
Looks like there are at least another 4 episodes in the pipeline for this season.  The Clone Wars Hangout (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwMMpqsPYTk&feature=g-subs-u) that took place over the weekend teased a little bit about the next story arc, which spans four episodes.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on February 6, 2013, 10:56 PM
Season 5 4-Part Season Finale Trailer,

http://tv.yahoo.com/video/clone-wars-020613-clip-193303969.html
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 7, 2013, 12:11 AM
Oh my...  :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 9, 2013, 11:10 AM
Cool battle on Cato Nemoidia interrupted for Coruscant procedural. Why was Cato Nemoidia being invaded? Aren't Nemoidians separatists?

Nano-machines? One wonders why they cannot be used for medical purposes, like to restore some lava-burnt lungs or...never mind, the tech in Star Wars is random, inconsistent and/or nonsensical.

Cin Drallig cameo.

It was an okay episode.  Though it did little to explain why the Jedi are scapegoats for anti-war sentiment, when its the senate that runs the show.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on February 9, 2013, 11:48 AM
This was a terribly written episode. The Cato Nemoidia thing - exactly. And why does Ahsoka find out the suspect's duties and specialty at the temple several scenes after she has his profile? Why does she ask Anakin who could be able to bomb the temple when she already knows (hey remember when the Separatists hired bounty hunters to infiltrate the temple? Oh, and attack the senate? Oh and knock the power in Coruscant?) Anti-war sentiment - they way this kind of story information is communicated is the worst aspect of the PT. Show, don't tell. Rule #1 in writing. If there is an anti-war movement in the Republic, then we need to see it in action. Pinning the war on the Jedi makes sense for Palpatine, as ultimately he needs them for scapegoats, but let's see it.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on February 9, 2013, 08:41 PM
Nick Gillard on ep.17!
turquoise 2-1Bs  (OT design)

A chapter focused on intrigue, this is other register this series explores.
Lara and Jakar a mixed marriage, but why human could marry so ugly aliens?

When a defector clone married a Twilek it was acceptable, but human with so odd creatures?

For a while it looked like Lara was kinda of Zam Wessel metamorpho especies.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 10, 2013, 04:22 AM
If that lady (forgot her name) purposely set up her husband and blew him up, then why did she go to the Temple afterwards and ask the Jedi for him? Makes no sense. I'm tired by some of these senseless plot details, to me they're very childish and lower the quality of Star Wars' seriousness. 

While I was mostly disappointed by this episode (which sucks too considering it's part of the finale; hell, last year's finale we got witch zombies, Asajj vs. Grievous, Maul returning), I understand it's probably the vehicle into the next episodes and is meant to set them up. Still, I don't grant it as an excuse to get lazy and allow some of these episodes to be lackluster.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on February 10, 2013, 07:05 AM
The Cato Neimoidia segment served a couple of purposes.  First, to bring in the new Jedi Interceptors as well as the Tri-Droid Fighters.  IIRC, this is the first appearance in the series for both.  And then we saw the Buzz droids, ala the space battle in ROTS.  But it seemed that Anakin and Ahsoka's presence there was only meant to serve the purpose of bringing Jedi back to Coruscant who may not have been involved in the Temple bombing. 

Regarding Lara's presence at the Temple?  I think it was very clear that Lara was an anti-war protestor (or something along those lines), and she used her husband to promote the anti-war / anti-Jedi agenda.  This episode was very much about the growing distrust of the Jedi because of the prolonged nature of the Clone War.

The investigator droid was a funny nod to David Caruso on CSI Miami with the overly dramatic, halting dialogue.  Add in the visor flipdown, and Filoni & co were definitely having a bit of a laugh with this one.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on February 10, 2013, 10:40 AM
Ah....ok, I was wondering who the CSI Droid was a parody of...makes perfect sense now. Ha.

We've definitely seen the Droid Tri-fighters before, they were in the arc where Ventress got betrayed by Dooku. Not sure about the Jedi ships though, seemed familiar somehow.

Agree the writing was weak, their whole investigation was based on someone observed working around the crime scene, which is part of their normal duties anyway? It's not like the guy was an accountant and was just hanging around the hangars for no reason. Total alien profiling! Sure, blame the big freaky cyclops dude. Couldn't have been his improbably hot wife, right?

I don't even get why everyone thought a Jedi was responsible when there wasn't an iota of evidence to indicate this.

The Barriss Offee cameo was cute, but really for me, the coolest thing in the whole freaking episode were those armored enforcer dudes standing in the background in the Cin Drallig scene. WTF were those bad-asses?!?! They looked like some kind of heavy armored Jedi super commandos, or some kind of weird Jedi-esque Royal Guards.

They would have made for one of the coolest action figures ever in this line, IMO.  :'(
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on February 10, 2013, 11:10 AM
The Barriss Offee cameo was cute, but really for me, the coolest thing in the whole freaking episode were those armored enforcer dudes standing in the background in the Cin Drallig scene. WTF were those bad-asses?!?! They looked like some kind of heavy armored Jedi super commandos, or some kind of weird Jedi-esque Royal Guards.

They would have made for one of the coolest action figures ever in this line, IMO.  :'(

Indeed.  I thought they were pretty cool, too.  But with the demise of the Clone Wars animated figure line, I guess it'll never come to be.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on February 12, 2013, 09:51 AM
Nice Raiders-esque nod in the opening.  As I was watching, I felt all they were doing was ripping off RotS, and then they paid it off.  Nice.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 13, 2013, 02:01 PM
Preview for Episode 18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIyHaXnG6Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIyHaXnG6Y) (there's another preview, too)

I think I've guessed part of this story, but I cannot remember if there's spoiler tags here.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 13, 2013, 03:18 PM
Love Tarkin's background...  It explains so much in ANH, and how he's such a high rank, even over Vader.  One of the finer points of TCW if you ask me.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 16, 2013, 12:37 PM
The Jedi Who Knew Too Much...the show that telegraphed too many plot twists.

Fox Phase 2 gets some use. Sucks his figure won't get any animated Phase 2 shock troopers to back him up. But the animated design is close to the real thing, anyway.

More stun-setting effects, so rarely used. Kill happy galaxy that it is.

Tarkin is a creep.

Ahsoka had time to tell Anakin what that prisoner told her, but instead was too busy debating making a FUGITIVE homage.

Minor usage of the Turbo Tank. Gunships that just happen to be equipped with searchlights. ROTS air speeder.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 16, 2013, 01:15 PM
I liked this episode, I thought the chase scene was pretty epic. I have a few complaints based on some of the events that happened but I guess my questions will be answered in the coming episodes.

One thing though. Whoever Force Choked Letta to death did so without being there. I thought that was a stretch, for sure. It crosses that line into Force Powers as over-the-top. I would only find it acceptable if it was Palpatine, but I wouldn't be surprised if maybe it was him.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on February 16, 2013, 01:43 PM
I think someone has mentioned this in the thread before, but it makes the most sense for Palpatine to be behind this. It fits into the order 66 angle as well as the push Anakin to the dark side plot point. I would love to see them kill off Ahsoka in this arc if this truly ends up being the end of the series.

Another possibility is the renegade Jedi was wearing clone armor and was inside the prison at the time of the attack.

I still would put my money on Palps, it makes the best story.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 16, 2013, 02:11 PM
I liked this episode, I thought the chase scene was pretty epic. I have a few complaints based on some of the events that happened but I guess my questions will be answered in the coming episodes.

One thing though. Whoever Force Choked Letta to death did so without being there. I thought that was a stretch, for sure. It crosses that line into Force Powers as over-the-top. I would only find it acceptable if it was Palpatine, but I wouldn't be surprised if maybe it was him.

Visual contact is what's required for force choking....maybe. Vader chokes Admiral Ozzel who is in another part of the ship over his viewscreen. So the killer would have needed access to the camera monitors.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on February 16, 2013, 08:41 PM
ep 18 season 5 is a blink to Harrison Fordīs Fugituve

the action outmatched episodes like Eminence, the dialogue was more mature than ever
and this is good, even for the audience of kids who enter deeper in the SW universe.

There are lot of speculations as
Ventress could have be hidden to kill the clones and framed Ashoka.

Her escape anticipate what could have been the troubles and adventures in
the exhile of Obi Wan Kenobi or Yoda.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 17, 2013, 03:40 AM
Did anyone notice that, in the Jedi War Room, when Obi-Wan was speaking through hologram to the assembled Jedi, he mentioned something about Saleucami? I didn't hear exactly what he said, but he mentioned exactly that name - and it's also mentioned in ROTS, when he tells Anakin that Master Vos is going to assemble his forces there. Maybe I'm doing a little too much thinking on this one, but what if this episode shows just how close the show is to ROTS now? Maybe the Republic is about to launch its forces there, and this is a sign that the show's timeline is coming closer to ROTS. I wonder if that means it'll be ending soon.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on February 17, 2013, 10:55 AM
Did anyone notice that, in the Jedi War Room, when Obi-Wan was speaking through hologram to the assembled Jedi, he mentioned something about Saleucami? I didn't hear exactly what he said, but he mentioned exactly that name - and it's also mentioned in ROTS, when he tells Anakin that Master Vos is going to assemble his forces there. Maybe I'm doing a little too much thinking on this one, but what if this episode shows just how close the show is to ROTS now? Maybe the Republic is about to launch its forces there, and this is a sign that the show's timeline is coming closer to ROTS. I wonder if that means it'll be ending soon.

Has anyone read or watched anything that states the Filoni team confirming a season 6? All of the initial reports had the show going for at least "100" episodes. We hit that earlier this year. With the licensing deal being closed in the middle of this, I am starting to think more and more that the rug may ave been pulled out from under the show. Hasbro sure shite-canned the figure line seemingly overnight. It also could explain why there is now a missing arc in season 5. Every other season ended with a cliffhanger. It seems possible now that they took that out so as not to end  the series on a cliffhanger. That also makes me think Ahsoka's fate will not be determined in the current arc, but we will have to wait and see on that.

I have always felt that much like the animated series, the final episodes should center around the attack on Courosaunt and the abduction of Palpatine. It would be a shame if we never get to see Filoni's take on that.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 17, 2013, 12:14 PM
 ??? None of the seasons ended on a real cliffhanger. The last one just had Maul and Opress still alive. Their story wasn't supposed to continue until this year, but the first episode of their arc was stand alone-like enough to be used as the season opener.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on February 17, 2013, 01:22 PM
I would simply crap if Hasbro or Sideshow made one of those Massiff handler ARF Troopers. Those guys were sick!

(http://starwars.com/img/explore/the-clone-wars/slideshow/ep518/trivia/trivia10.jpg)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 17, 2013, 02:24 PM
That reminds me. Notice the prison had huge statues of phase 2 Clone Troopers. So...what does that say about things? They have resources to waste on aesthetics during total war? That the prison will  look dated when Stormtrooper armor becomes standard?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on February 17, 2013, 06:08 PM
Those ARF Troopers were pretty sweet, probably customizable, although the face flap would be tricky. It was definitely nice to see Fox get some screen time too, that was one of the worthier final slots filled in this line.

Tarkin I think again comes across as a smug jerk, which is guess is sort of the point, but hard to even admire him as an adversary. Plus the whole frame job is just so contrived, it sort of seems silly that he would be so gung ho about the whole thing. Is this sort of matter the kind of thing you want your starfleet admirals worrying about in the first place?

I'm calling it now that the whole thing is part of an evil plot orchestrated by Barriss Offee. She's clearly conflicted about the war, she knows Ahsoka is an easy target to pin the murder on, she has the skills to lay the Force smackdown on Letta, it all fits.  ;)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on February 18, 2013, 04:24 AM
Decent episode, but couldn't they just watch security tapes and see that Ahsoka wasn't responsible? What if she had stayed in her cell?

She also has the Jedi behind her but I'm guessing Tarkin outranks them since it's a "military matter"
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 20, 2013, 10:54 AM
Yeah, strange that they have recorders in the cell but not the hallways?

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on February 20, 2013, 12:16 PM
Yeah, strange that they have recorders in the cell but not the hallways?

That, and there wouldn't be suspicion about why the sound wasn't working in that particular cell.  And if there was a problem to begin with, wouldn't they have rectified it, moved the prisoner to another functioning cell?  Or wouldn't they have noticed that the sound wasn't working when Ahsoka was in there (I suppose that they could say that Ahsoka used the Force to block the sound, but then if that was the case, why didn't she block out the visuals as well)?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 21, 2013, 03:48 PM
The new preview has Tarkin tell the Jedi that "the evidence is indisputable" and that's why Ahsoka's guilty.

I think that's pretty ridiculous considering all they have to do is look at the cameras and see that someone else took out those clones and let Ahsoka out. And they really have no evidence.

What the heck is going on with the writing in these episodes?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 21, 2013, 05:29 PM
Nobody cares because it's a sinking ship?  :-\
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 21, 2013, 11:55 PM
Even Yoda seems convinced of Ahsoka's guilt. YODA? Really? I thought Windu was the "bad cop" in the council.

The other preview, why do we need a new transit cop clone? (Underworld/sublevels clone?) Where are the coruscant police droids?

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on February 23, 2013, 11:31 AM
Hey Hasbro, when will the new Ventress figure with mask be coming o....

Oh, right.

I was hoping for an end game for Ashoka here, but it looks like Anakin will save he at the last possible moment during her trial. As most people were suggesting Barris will turn out to be the bad guy, and Ventress will end up selling churros on level 1315.

Here is hoping for a season 6.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 23, 2013, 02:03 PM
Mmmm....churros.

What's up with the new gunship/air transports?  Less wingspan for tighter areas?

All the random Ithorians makes me wish they'd make a  random Ithorian.

Where does the smoke from a burning barrel go underground? *cough*

It seemed like Plo Koon might play a decent part in this, then we were let down.  :-\

Mace Windu: 'Skywalker may not be able to do what needs to be done....because If I go I'm gonna end this thing right now! She's too dangerous to let live!"

Barriss can get the drop on Ventress?  Really?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 23, 2013, 07:02 PM
Barriss can get the drop on Ventress?  Really?

Ventress can almost kill her master, Luminara, but then somehow Barriss pulls a "B**** please" and knocks her down.

It also bugged me that she could adequately use two lightsabers and totally whup Ahsoka's ass.

And you thought Darth Maul was the badass of TCW?

Barriss was the real badass all along. ::)

I wish Filoni thought these things over more. Cuz first Ahsoka can holdup her own against General Grievous and Asajj Ventress, two famed Jedi-killers known throughout the galaxy, yet somehow Barris Offee can now totally just toss her around like Sidious did to Maul.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on February 23, 2013, 08:25 PM
I think the cloaked lady is Barriss too. She framed Asoka and pumelled her.
But there is a leit motif=some inactive jedi or sith appear or come back reloaded.

Anakin looks frustrated, coz this arch is going to put him in the role of judge rather than fighter.

Well balanced sort of aliens, the jabba palace snake, the braniac guy,
I really liked them. But somebody can tell me please, why TCW spot Ithorians so fatty, with wide torsos, while rodians
are very skinny in contrast?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on February 23, 2013, 09:51 PM
The Barriss angle is interesting.  She was after all one of the Jedi who had been introduced in Attack Of The Clones whose fate we never witnessed in Revenge of the Sith.  There was an Order 66 scene featuring Barriss in the comic adaptation of ROTS, but not the film.

I also really liked that smaller gunship.  It was almost like a cross between a Republic Gunship and a TIE Interceptor, but with the cockpit of the Virago.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on February 24, 2013, 12:56 PM
More great stuff we'll never see in toy form (animated or otherwise):

Coruscant Police
Fugitive Ahsoka
Drunk Gotal
Republic Police Gunship
Bounty Hunter Ventress
Mystery Attacker
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on February 24, 2013, 09:58 PM
If you want confirmation of the traitor in the Season 5 finale, watch until the end of this teaser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUPqpMUDjhY) from Teletoon.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on February 24, 2013, 10:28 PM
LOL, yeah, I have always thought one of the weakest parts of this show is they have improbable pwnage by various people at various times that is just not realistic. (like Cad Bane always clowning the jedi) For sure you can add Barriss toasting Asajj to that list.

Must be the lingering effects of the brain worms?

The toy fodder is just a cruel tease at this point. Those TIE Gunship hybrids were insanely cool. The police droids and armored Ventress were pretty damn sweet as well. So, so much good stuff left on the table with this line, ugh.

Once again Tarkin comes off like a jackhole. What evidence dude? Seriously, produce the security tapes of her murdering those clones or STFU already.

This episode did kinda make me want to play that 1313 video game or whatever though. Pretty cool Megacity/Blade Runner type stuff going on there...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 25, 2013, 02:27 AM
I think Tarkin's angle is largely that they're a wholely separate entity, and they don't have to provide the Jedi Council with ANYTHING they don't wish to.  THey're the authority on this matter and the Jedi are ultimately powerless over it.  He can say they have proof and they can take her into custody...  It's one of the only things that actually, to me, really stands out as cool in this arc, as another facet of the Empire blossoming sort of.

The gunships...  I hate them.  I don't care for the random speeders either though.  Like the Jedi have the weird one the show designed, but then there's that little one Obi's in, in ROTS too.  It's odd all these designs, so the new weird gunship maybe fits in with the old gunship, I just think it's redundant and unnecessary...  If they were making toys it'd make more sense.

I like the hype around 1313 with this episode even though the game's not had a major update in a while even.  I enjoy seeing this cavernous "core" with other levels of the planet though, in the show and any other way they want to show them.  Coruscant's fascinating like that.

One of the biggest flaws the show will ever have though, to me, is the inability for them to use major baddies in good ways.  Grievous killed Vebb but did very little else.  Tartakovsky set Grievous up so much better...  Lucas then proceded to destroy any actual power that character wielded.

Likewise, too much Dooku meeting the enemy when he should have all the minions the EU provided, doing that dirty work.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 25, 2013, 04:56 AM
If you want confirmation of the traitor in the Season 5 finale, watch until the end of this teaser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUPqpMUDjhY) from Teletoon.

I scoffed watching that teaser.

Even having Anakin have an actual duel with that person goes back to the whole argument that it's stupid that Ahsoka can take on Grievous, Barriss can take on Asajj, Cad Bane can take the Jedi... etc.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 25, 2013, 12:56 PM
I can't even tell who it is.  :-\
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 25, 2013, 01:40 PM
It's Quinlan Vos.  :P
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jedi Idej on February 25, 2013, 07:28 PM
Jocasta Nu. One too many "sshhh" ignored.  ;)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on March 1, 2013, 09:06 AM
Loving Tim "Dr Frank N Furter" Curry as the Emperor...that is some casting genius right there. Seems like a waste to use him for just one episode though.

Right, Lucasfilm? RIGHT?!?!

I've never heard of a show getting canceled AFTER they had already started shooting the next season. Please don't be the first!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on March 1, 2013, 01:32 PM
That's a little strange. Sucks that Ian Abercrombie died before they finished the season.  :(
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on March 2, 2013, 12:10 AM
I will want to resume all spoilers

Tarkin demanded death penalty from beginning

Palpatine looks serious but cold, nobody suspects of him, coz he lets Tarkin speaks the prosecution, while Padme speaks the defense.

Jedi donīt show support to Ashoka.... this demonstrates at this point for them is more important to keep their relationship with the Senate.

Anakin doesnīt speak in the trial of the senate, only in the jedi council.... TCW mantains him as a man of action rather than a negotiator or a lawyer, in ultimate case,  this role is up to his wife Padme Amidala.


As the most outstanding Jedi are capable of love (Anakin loves his wife and has appreciation for his padawan, Obi Wan loved in a courtoise way Satine, without material cosumption of Eros), the Sith are presented the most tanatical as possible.


I think one of the reasons for Maul to kill Satine Kryze was his incapability for Eros, let me explain.

Maul lost his lower section: pelvis and legs, he wont be capable to reproduce, maybe he is able to eliminate natural wastes from a dispositive like a manhole. Maul wonīt be able for pleasure never.


So Maul, from a certain point of view was jealous of the love which was opening a door for Obi Wan, he envied what made his Nemesis complete while made him look more mutilated in contrast.



I think we could recall that Sidious didnīt have a lover, and that could be coherent, because he is no tied to familiy, children, he never exposes weakneses to his foes neither to his allies (who could be tempted to betrail him too).

But Love and pleasure is another motivation of Power, a natural need too. A king or an emperor would contemplate it in his life, because it would be so hard to be deprived permanently from those satisfactions.



Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on March 2, 2013, 10:49 AM
I have hated the very thought that Anakin had a Padawn we never heard or knew about.  I never really cared at all for the character of Ahsoka ever...so, major plot holes and made up plot lines aside, this arc was amazing and today was really well done.  It shows the Jedi really don't know what they are doing.  The last scenes were amazing, the score the dialogue "I know". Season 5 was amazing top to bottom and I am really looking forward to Season 6!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on March 2, 2013, 12:32 PM
Ended about how I thought it would end.  I'd have Ahsoka a little bit more pissed at the Jedi council, though. It seems we didn't get to see the whole council either, did we? Like half of it...what up with that?

Barriss said the sabers suited her, like she was turning sith, but then her motivations were the Jedi were wrong in fighting the war. She was sloppy, because Ahsoka could've testified that she contacted Barris, assume that Barriss erased all transmission records, too. But then's there's Ventress's account, whom almost nobody would believe...but there'd be enough to  get Offee accused of being an accessory at least.

But then we are left with the question of how Barriss force choked someone unseen? Did she do all that by herself?

It would've been interesting to see Luminara's heartbreak over her padawan, too.

Tarkin's hated the idea that a Jedi saved his life and was happy to see Ahsoka take the fall. It would've been intriguing if he had evidence of her innocence and destroyed it.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on March 2, 2013, 04:29 PM
Finally got a chance to see the episode this afternoon.  From a story standpoint, Filoni & company totally telegraphed Barriss's connection with Ahsoka's case.  Especially when the two of them had their exchange in the Temple in the first episode of this arc, and again when Ahsoka reached out specifically to Barriss when she was in the Coruscant underworld.

The end of the previous story arc, where Sidious said that he had a use for Darth Maul rather than killing him, might have led you to believe that Sidious might employ Maul to implicate Ahsoka in this plot.  But alas, this story arc did more to show the increasing divisions between the Republic and the Jedi.  And it also served to highlight the decreasing ability of the Jedi to use The Force.  Mace talks about it in AOTC, but here we actually see it happening.

I still suspect that we have not seen the last of Ahsoka.  Especially since she provides an added dimension to Anakin Skywalker's character.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on March 3, 2013, 11:17 AM
This was probably the best episode of the series. And it's really the bar that I think a lot of us hoped the PT would hit. I've watched the episode a couple times now and the biggest takeaway for me is Anakin. I don't think I have really appreciated - in every sense of the word - Anakin's portrayal in the PT until that last scene between him and Ahsoka.

Ultimately what drives Anakin is his fear. His fear over losing his mom, Padme, but truly fear about being lost. He hates the order's restrictions on his compassion/attachment to others, but he's too afraid to walk away from it. Anakin needs to belong. He needs order. Without it he's weak, prone to emotional swings and with one might even say gullible. Anakin is already a prisoner here; the suit only makes it physical. Ahsoka's bravery in rejecting the order exposes this in a way that was never successfully done before. Barris takes a principled stand against the failure's of her order, but murders and schemes in doing it; Anakin ultimately chooses Barris' path because 1) perhaps now he has an excuse and 2) it's the easy way. It requires the least courage.

If this is the end of the series, and it seems like it could be, then it's a fine end. I'm left really wanting to know what comes of Ahsoka. I don't think her fate leads her to some sort of stand against the Order where she becomes a Separatist. Maybe she goes Harley/Ivy with Ventress for a while. I love the idea of her being a conscientiousness objector, someone who adopts a more traditional Jedi path. For me there's little value in wedding her into Order 66 / some kind of confrontation with Anakin at this point. I would prefer Ahsoka survives the Purge, which means Ahsoka survives the PT, and maybe longer...

This is getting into Episode 7 speculation and is really just wishful thinking, but I would love to see Ahsoka make an appearance in the ST. Some of this is tied up in pure speculation about the approach to Luke's story, so it's based on little, but I think Lucas' approach to Ahsoka's fate is in line with Luke and the order. SW ultimately paints a very bleak picture of the Jedi Order. It's an organization felled by its own gravity - it becomes bureaucratic and political and in the end blind and paralyzed. Lucas seems to be saying the a spiritual/religious order like the Jedi diminishes when it becomes institutional.

I don't think we will see a restored Jedi Order in the ST. Luke restored balance and he is the last Jedi. In Episode 7, he still is, until of course a new generation comes into the Force. If the story is meant to complete the Skywalker story and cap the entire series, then it only makes sense that it will echo the themes and concerns of the first six movies and those are obvious. We will see a Skywalker in name or blood as the hero, who will confront the dark side in the guise of the Empire and/or the Sith, and they will ultimately wrestle with their very problematic heritage and the question of what it is truly to be a Jedi Knight.

Most of us expect Luke to serve as an Obi-Wan mentor and I love that. If his path follows Obi-Wan's, Luke may not be around for long; it would open the door for another mentor. Another Yoda. That's where Ahsoka comes in. What if Ahsoka has been leading a quiet, wandering life doing good works for forty or fifty years? The question of what it is to be a Jedi, and what the Jedi will become should be a central question of the ST. Ahsoka would be - if this is her story, this could all be for nothing if they have her duel Anakin to the death in some Order 66 retcon they already have written for Season 6 - a great model for a new Jedi. A Jedi who chose bravery and courage above fear and found the path to wisdom isn't denying yourself but honoring yourself.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on March 4, 2013, 12:18 PM
I guess a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, they have never heard of the old chestnut "Innocent Until Proven Guilty". Or any rudimentary aspects of basic jurisprudence for that matter.

Because apparently if you are arrested somewhere, like a warehouse, and there is illegal stuff in there, like NanoDroids, then it's so obviously YOURS. Don't bother checking ownership of the warehouse in question, or shipping manifests, electronic communications, etc.

All those dead clones? Well, don't bother checking the security tapes. Why even have video cameras in a prison right? Unless they're in the cell of the prisoners? Of course those cameras cannot have functioning audio.

 ::) ::) ::)

I mean, is this the worst, sloppiest, most half-assed frame job EVER? You bet. But apparently it was enough to completely confound the jedi council and the top-echelon miltary officer assigned to prosecute the case.

The whole arc was just nonsensical. Lots of enjoyable chases, battles, etc full of sound and fury that ultimately signified nothing. Even Ahsoka's departure from the order was muted and empty because of her remark about "how can I trust myself?" or whatever. Should have been more like "how can I serve an order that does not trust or respect me"?

If the goal was to move Anakin closer to the events of ROTS, they accomplished that at least. The distrust of the council is now established. He had a nice little dark side moment in the duel with Barriss too. Again though, plausability - a padawan going toe-to-toe in lightsaber duel with the Chosen One? How and where did she acquire all these fantastic skills, like being able to force choke people from miles away and whatnot?

Agree 100% that Luminara was a glaring omission from this arc. Even a cameo would have added a lot, IMO.

And yeah the comment about Ventress' sabers suiting her was completely out of character with what she says later. Just bad writing. (What happened to those things anyway?)

I still want those Jedi Temple Guards, worthless as they turned out to be.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on March 4, 2013, 12:39 PM
I think at this point Tarkin has been brought into Palpatine's inner circle and is now purposefully out to discredit and fracture the Jedi Council and aide Palpatine in Anakin's disillusionment with the Order. I'm almost positive they (Palpatine & Tarkin) knew that there was no hard evidence to prosecute Ahsoka - and since this was a military trial, I suspect they didn't have to conform to the same rules if she was tried in the Senate.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on March 4, 2013, 02:05 PM
I initially questioned Ahsoka's statement too ('How can I trust myself?') but it does make sense that she would question her own judgement - the order she devoted her life to abandoned her, her best friend framed her for murder, the republic she serves wanted to execute her - so has she made the right decisions? Does she know enough about her own values and those she defends? She's been questioning these things all along.

The frame itself is paltry, and the weakest aspect of this entire arc. The first episode especially virutally sabotaged it with a staggeringly weak script and chain of events. It got better, and as the story veered away from the fact no one apparently can write a mystery and they focused on the characters.

The Barriss comment about the lightsabers suiting her - harder to defend. She's clearly not a Sith or dark side wannabe, so her keeping the sabers only happens because the story needs it to happen. Did Bariss want to get caught? Then there's justification, and it makes sense as the bombing itself does not achieve her aims. I still don't know why she targeted Ahsoka though - there's no hint of personal animus.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on March 4, 2013, 09:12 PM
I think at this point Tarkin has been brought into Palpatine's inner circle and is now purposefully out to discredit and fracture the Jedi Council and aide Palpatine in Anakin's disillusionment with the Order. I'm almost positive they (Palpatine & Tarkin) knew that there was no hard evidence to prosecute Ahsoka - and since this was a military trial, I suspect they didn't have to conform to the same rules if she was tried in the Senate.

Seconded totally...  I loved how Tarkin was played.  It kept pretty true to his devotion to the "new order" which EU's established for him...  It's something I always liked.  That Tarkin was one of the ardent originals in the new regime, not anti-Jedi relgion exactly because he's clearly close to Vader, but Tarkin almost totally believes in the idea that the Jedi are fractured and a failed concept.  Vader eventually is sucked into it too... 

And I agree with Scott's original assessment about how this showed how f'd up the Jedi truly are...  It makes it even more tragic then that they DON'T show Anakin trust, and take him to arrest Palpatine.  Had Ani been there from the get-go, it would've gone totally different, but again they are so blind they don't make good decisions....  It's funny how things like this fixed things Lucas did int he films that made little sense.

Great episode...  Good way to end the season, and if you ask me I'd be fine if the series ended at this point too, but I'd like a dark "everything goes to hell" final season.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on March 4, 2013, 09:28 PM
I watched this chapter and liked it

good fight between Anakin and Barriss,
the later is close to a dark jedi, rather than sith.

She wants to change the methods of the order,
but she does not want peace, she pledges to violence
as she stated is the only way Jedi understand reality.


About the bouts Anakin vs Ventress and later vs Offee,

Skywalker proved he has a strong chin.

He took a side kick in the chin from Assajj (or a hook kick?)
and then a jumping twisting roundhouse in the jaws, by Barriss.


Hope in season 6, if he has to fight Maul, he could be more aware of
high kicks or at least return his foe one on the face.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on March 5, 2013, 03:24 AM
It's really interesting that in the featurette for this episode, Filoni says he's in the "Ahsoka lives" camp but George is in the "Ahsoka dies" camp. I wonder who wins that one at the end of the day.

Also, I thought it was funny how he says that in the original draft for this episode, Ahsoka would just go back to the Order - I'm so glad they didn't do this. It would make the entire arc meaningless and make no move as to handling what happens to Ahsoka.

I think if they just left out Ahsoka from the rest of the show, it'd be okay canon-speaking (although we'd probably like to find out what happens to her). Killing her off at this point in the show's timeline wouldn't make sense because then Anakin would most likely have to be be depressed, which he's obviously not at the start of ROTS. So far, I think Filoni's done a very good job approaching as to handle her fate.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on March 6, 2013, 08:45 AM
My friend brought up an interesting point...he swears Barriss is shown on the beach at Kashyyyk in ROTS alongside Luminara. I haven't had a chance to go back and check in HD slo-mo, but I tend to believe him.

If so, yeah, kind of a glaring continuity error there...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on March 6, 2013, 09:25 AM
I don't think so

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Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on March 6, 2013, 09:54 AM
My friend brought up an interesting point...he swears Barriss is shown on the beach at Kashyyyk in ROTS alongside Luminara. I haven't had a chance to go back and check in HD slo-mo, but I tend to believe him.

If so, yeah, kind of a glaring continuity error there...

+1 to Scott's post.

Additionally, in the ROTS comic book adaptation, Barriss Offee had been shown getting killed on Felucia as part of Order 66.  But then SO MANY of the plot points that have been established in Dark Horse comics have been totally trounced by storylines in The Clone Wars animated series.

Which makes me wonder, just WHAT does Leland Chee do here?

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Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Master_Phruby on March 12, 2013, 10:37 AM
Maybe the Jedi used some kind of mind washing technique on Barriss Offee to bring her back to the fold? For some bazaar reason she didn't have to stand military trial like Ahsoka did. Weird how the Jedi saved Barriss but not Ahsoka.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on March 13, 2013, 01:07 AM
Which makes me wonder, just WHAT does Leland Chee do here?

It's funny, because for most of the stuff in the show that's a glaring continuity error, official posts from Leland Chee has mostly gone like this:

"In keeping with the continuity, [insert original canon here] is no longer canon, and TCW takes precedence."

I thought his job was to reconcile existing canon with new canon, not totally blowing it off and not saying anything like, "Hey, excuse me, Darth Maul was originally dead here, you can't do that."
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on July 27, 2013, 02:05 AM
Season 5 Blu Ray announced...

Also, same day, Boxed set of the whole series.  Yikes.  I didn't buy ALL the old sets...  Only 1 and 2 I think.  The boxed set may appeal to me.

October 15th!

http://starwars.com/news/swce-2013-star-wars-the-clone-wars-season-five-and-seasons-1-5-box-sets-coming-this-fall.html

I'm not sure yet, but that boxed set really is calling me.  :-\
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on July 27, 2013, 11:09 AM
The "Lost Episodes" are still  ??? lost?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on July 27, 2013, 11:12 AM
I'll get the boxed set for sure.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on July 27, 2013, 04:20 PM
I'm leaning that way too but the cost hurts but I figure I skipped enough seasons its worth it.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on August 29, 2013, 01:37 PM
I just preordered that box set on Amazon. $105 for the Blu Ray! I think the DVDs are like $80 something.

I had planned on rebuying the first 2-3 seasons on BR anyway but this is ultimately much cheaper.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on October 30, 2013, 04:46 AM
Finally got my hands on my Complete Series set. it shipped two weeks ago but I had it sent to my parents' house and never got around to going over there until today. It'll probably be another week before I get to sit down and open the thing, but there is supposed to be lots of bonus goodies included.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 2, 2013, 09:23 PM
I got Season 5 on BluRay for my birthday today. I am curious to see if the voice-synching is as noticeably off as has been reported. I hope not, that is inexcusable IMO.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Pete_Fett on November 2, 2013, 11:11 PM
I got Season 5 on BluRay for my birthday today. I am curious to see if the voice-synching is as noticeably off as has been reported. I hope not, that is inexcusable IMO.

Let me know what you find McMetal - I've been holding off picking it up as a result of the original reports that the audio synch was off...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on December 4, 2013, 12:08 AM
Finally got around to opening my Complete Series Blu-Ray, and Season 5 discs don't even load. There's just a black screen. ::) A Season 4 disc worked perfectly though. Apparently this is a widespread problem, and the discs that don't work don't have the audio sync problem. Great job, Lucasfilm and Warner Bros!

Amazon is trying to tell me it's too late to return the set but I'm going to give them a call tomorrow and get a refund. No way I'm going to be stuck with this crappy set that doesn't even play.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on December 4, 2013, 11:28 AM
That sucks, I had heard about that issue too. I guess some people got it to work by "updating" their Blu-Ray player via a web connection, but I don't know the exact steps.

I'm about 6 episodes in to my Season 5 disc so far, and I haven't noticed any issue with the audio synchronization so far, although I gather it is more noticeable in the Mandalore arc. We'll see...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on January 5, 2014, 10:44 PM
Let me know what you find McMetal - I've been holding off picking it up as a result of the original reports that the audio synch was off...

FYI, I just finished watching the last episodes from Season 5 and am happy to report there were no audio synch issues with my copy. Everything looked and sounded great to me.  :)

What a great season that was, BTW...I can't wait to see the lost episodes/bonus content coming later this year...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Five Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on January 31, 2014, 04:25 PM
Finally got my hands on my Complete Series set. it shipped two weeks ago but I had it sent to my parents' house and never got around to going over there until today. It'll probably be another week before I get to sit down and open the thing, but there is supposed to be lots of bonus goodies included.

I finally did some digging around and according to TheForce.net, Warner is sending out free replacement discs. I kept forgetting to call until today, and it took less than 3 minutes to get everything taken care of. They just ask for your name, address, and which set you bought (apparently there are different discs for Season 5 vs the Complete Series), and they said the new disc would be here in 1-2 weeks. They told me they were out of Disc 1 at the moment so while I'm getting Disc 2, hopefully they mail out the Disc 1s when they are able to produce more.

The number is 1-800-553-6937 if anyone needs it.