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Title: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Jeff on July 13, 2005, 02:07 PM
Thought the Lava Vader from April 2nd sucked?

Get ready to hate on these figures too!

From GH.com:

"Two new Target Exclusive action figures: Lava Reflection Obi-Wan Kenobi (based on the #1 Revenge of the Sith Obi-Wan Kenobi figure) and Lava Reflection Anakin Skywalker (based on the #2 Revenge of the Sith Anakin Skywalker figure). Both come with a new, "hot" Mustafar base, dark paint jobs and orange "lava" reflection deco."

More info at SDCC this week!

Jeff
Title: Re: Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Brian on July 13, 2005, 02:10 PM
I wasn't excited about the Lava Vader (never found it, but likely would have skipped it anyways)...and I don't see these figures being any different.  From the looks of that GH report, there's going to continue to be all sorts of exclusives coming later this year...some neat, some not so much.  I really feel for the completists when all this exclusive business is going on.  Unless these Obi/Anakin figures turn out to be something pretty spiffy, I'm likely passing.
Title: Re: Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: SilverZ on July 13, 2005, 02:13 PM
That's the second aweful rehash exclusive in what, 2 hours?

I'm convinced that all Hasbro learned from this year's exclusives and last year's OTC success was that people will buy rehashed garbage if it is positioned as hard to get or on pretty packaging. I see rehash hell ahead for us.

Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Diddly on July 13, 2005, 02:26 PM
This is insane. Enough exclusive repacks! Especially crappy ones like these with horrible paint jobs!
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Jayson on July 13, 2005, 02:30 PM
It's official Hasbro has run out of ideas and money for new molds. Shame.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Ben on July 13, 2005, 02:31 PM
Since I own zero Lava reflection figures, I'll pass on these. Screw this noise.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Mikey D on July 13, 2005, 02:52 PM
What the ****? I'm convinced Hasbro is run by a bunch of ******* morons.  Better give them **** Matt at SDCC for them producing **** like this.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Nathan on July 13, 2005, 03:00 PM
You've gotta be kidding me. ::) Booooo!

I'm convinced that all Hasbro learned from this year's exclusives and last year's OTC success was that people will buy rehashed garbage if it is positioned as hard to get or on pretty packaging. I see rehash hell ahead for us.

Unbelievable.

Not to say "I told you so" but ... I told you so. I knew this would happen if people bought into the Target clone/Lava Vader type crap. Give 'em an inch, etc. etc.

Just Say No! ;)
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 13, 2005, 03:58 PM
Well, I guess we can count on 2006 being the year that 1985 repeats itself, and I think you all know what I'm referring to.

(in before Lava Reflection Padme, Threepio, R2, and Palpatine announcements)
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Jayson on July 13, 2005, 04:02 PM
We need a Lava Reflection Mas Amedda! There aren't enough of that guy warming the shelves  ;D
Title: Re: Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Morgbug on July 13, 2005, 04:24 PM
I'm convinced that all Hasbro learned from this year's exclusives and last year's OTC success was that people will buy rehashed garbage if it is positioned as hard to get or on pretty packaging. I see rehash hell ahead for us.

Well, I was excited to get a Lava Vader because it was one of a limited number or bad rehashes but exclusive.  I was excited to get a Target Clone pooper because it seemed limited.  Holo Yoda appeared locally so I got it too.  

But this is just plain stupid.  I'll grant you the lava reflection versions of these figures make more sense than the lava Vader actually did, but this is just silly. Why?  There's a limit to what I'll spend and I've been fringing on the Hasbro stuff for a while now.  Too much (100+ figures in less than 2 years?) in too little time with too little quality.  

Who wants an exlusive lava reflection figure from a poor sculpt that has an action feature with it??  Honestly, Hasbro should sit back and look at themselves "...the kids want action features..." they say.  Great, what kid is going to pay for (let alone be able to obtain) what is certain to be a $12 exclusive with a fancy-shmancy (read "piece of crap") protective case?  How many parents are going to listen to 7-year old Johnny when he clamors to get daddy to pay for the $25 (plus shipping!) ebay-exclusive lava reflection Anakin? ::)  This is dumb.  Just dumb.  

Dear Hasbro,
The movie is over.  Any marketing strenth you had during the April-June time frame has been supplanted by first Batman and now the Fantastic Four.  We regret to inform you that the vast majority of those buying your products from this point forward are adult collectors.  Uncle George has indicated no more movies, so any strength you may have perceived in sales is now solely reliant upon collectors.  There will be no Christmas increase in sales due to the Children, they'll all be watching and talking about Harry Potter.  Oh sure, releasing the DVD might generate a few sales, but really, anyone that wants the DVD will have already found #9 Grievous, probably on clearance for $2.  
As a collector, I readily admit that we're a bunch of whiny bitches.  Your suggestion in the back rooms to that extent is accurate.  But pull your head out of your ass, you're hurting yourself and ignoring what will be the market for your product for the next 13 years.  Are you really certain you want to alienate us?  We don't buy a few figures, we buy all of them.  You rely upon that and mockingly count on it thinking you can throw any piece of crap you want out there.  Got news for ya: the number of pure completeists is dwindling every day.  Why?  You keep insulting even the dumbest people and eventually they notice.  Actually I suppose that's not true because we insult you guys all the time and you just never hear any of it ::)
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: dafoo on July 13, 2005, 04:31 PM
I am feeling better about my forced (read: no money) removal from near all collecting in 1999
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Nathan on July 13, 2005, 04:35 PM
^^ Word to Brent! This type of gimmick **** is just plain insulting. >:( (That being said,   if   when they do a Lava Reflection Clone, I'll be on board. :-\ Curse my Clone obsession!)

Pricing and availability aside, no kid is going to want shiny red versions of Anakin and Obi. They'll want ones that actually look like the character.

Ergo, any sucker who buys these is an adult collector, and collectors don't like action features.

A lovely lose/lose/lose situation for kids, collectors, and ultimately Hasbro.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Morgbug on July 13, 2005, 04:52 PM
The only problem is Hasbro won't lose.  These will likely be somewhat limited production (50-100,000 units), a store exclusive and ebay sellers will go nuts.  It's likely to be a US only release, so they'll have a worldwide market to hit.  Hasbro looks at sales once they are gone from the warehouse.  Once the retailer buys them, they are sold in Hasbro's eyes and based on Lava Vader/Target Clone/Holo Yoda sales most retailers (or the exclusive retailer) will look at this and think no-brainer. 

So kids don't care - loser.
Collectors are frustrated - loser.
Hasbro/Retailer sell out - winner. 

And that's all that matters to a company that is obviously out of touch with the majority of the collector market (based on the general response I saw at the Hasbro Q&A at C3) except for the kiss-ups. 
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Nathan on July 13, 2005, 04:58 PM
That's true, but in the long run Hasbro still loses. Like you say, this results in collectors getting more and more pissed off, thus quitting the hobby or drastically cutting back on purchases, thus retailers don't buy SW toys, thus in the end Hasbro loses money. Trickledown effect and all that.

Of course, scalpers will still buy this stuff up (still making money for Hasbro) but eventually even they will stop when they realize collector demand has dried up.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: evenflow on July 13, 2005, 06:57 PM
I am sure these are going to suck, but i know i will buy them anyway.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: JediMAC on July 13, 2005, 07:18 PM
What the ****? I'm convinced Hasbro is run by a bunch of ******* morons.  Better give them **** Matt at SDCC for them producing **** like this.

Morons?  Yep.

Me give the morons ****?  Most definitely. (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=8544.msg141508#msg141508)  >:(

More Lava Reflection figures?  **** that, and Hasbro can lick my sweaty, stank 'nads for sticking it to me and my completist brethren once again.  I don't like to use this word loosely or out of it's literal context, but the only word I can think of to describe them right now is rapists.  Financial ******* rapists.

What do you think would happen if I asked them all to bend over for us collectors when we're at the SDCC Q & A panel?  Show 'em how it feels.  Think they'd go for it?  :-X

I'll keep buying all this **** however (and yes, I KNOW that is a part of the problem here), but the fun of this hobby is long gone now.  It's just a chore at this point.  And none of us like doing chores, right?

I'm assuming Hasbro's going to try to pull a rabbit out of the hat down in San Diego though, and throw something really cool and unexpected at us to try to diffuse all the anomosity over the plethora of upcoming rehashes.  They can't be this completely stupid and out of touch, can they?  Rat bastards.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Darby on July 13, 2005, 09:35 PM
I laughed when I saw this.  Next year we're going to get Lava Reflection Padme, you know. 
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Morgbug on July 13, 2005, 09:50 PM
  They can't be this completely stupid and out of touch, can they? 

Yes.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: CHEWIE on July 13, 2005, 10:10 PM
DUMB!  I think Target is becoming the biggest rip off retailer around when it comes to Star Wars collectibles.  Hail Walmart!   ;)

 :P
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Jeff on July 13, 2005, 10:36 PM
http://www.galactichunter.com/absoluteig/gallery.asp?action=viewimage&imageid=15935&text=&categoryid=3631&box=&shownew=

Well, they aren't too terrible...

Sure, they are repaints (yet again  ::)), but I kinda like the "lava-y" bases and the darker ashen look of the paint job on them.

I'll probably be happy to buy these... until I find out they cost like $13 again.   ::)

Jeff
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Darth Broem on July 13, 2005, 10:40 PM
Yeah, now that I see them they actually look pretty good (covers his head with arms).  I was thinking they would look like total crap.  I still don't want to pay $12 each for them though.  But that did not stop me with Lava Vader and their Clonetrooper.  I don't know we'll see if I get it or not.  I could probably let this slide by the wayside. 
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Nathan on July 14, 2005, 12:13 AM
Darn ... I really, really, really hate to say it, but I must admit those don't look like total crap. They actually look kinda cool, unfortunately. :-\

I'm still not buying them though--on principle.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 14, 2005, 12:17 AM
A while back I reported that the local Hasbro rep told me that Target exclusive figures at the $12.99 price point was on the Target SW planograms all the way until the fall.

This explains why that's the case - these figures will be $12.99 each, packed in the clamshells and since they aren't really army builders, will HOPEFULLY be easy to acquire.

Jeff needs to get hopping and get us some new DPCI numbers for Target - we need these figures and the Plo Koon starfighter!  ;D
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Jeff on July 14, 2005, 12:22 AM
Jeff needs to get hopping and get us some new DPCI numbers for Target - we need these figures and the Plo Koon starfighter!  ;D

I'll put out the feelers tomorrow...
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 14, 2005, 01:48 AM
This year's comic-con seems to be a downer in terms of new product. Think about it, last year we were eagerly waiting for VOTC and OTC images. There were a lot of cool figures coming out on cool cards. This year: annoying exclusives and repainted figures. ???
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: JesseVader08 on July 14, 2005, 03:32 AM
As much of a downer as this day has been for a lot of us, I don't mind these, at least in theory.  Using figures with action features as fodder for repaints doesn't make any sense (as Brent pointed out), but the look they're going for actually does work.

OK, I'll say it.  I like them.

(http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/files/gallery/Conventions/San_Diego_Comic_Con_2005/Hasbro/DSC08206.jpg)
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: MetalJedi on July 14, 2005, 05:23 AM
I'm assuming Hasbro's going to try to pull a rabbit out of the hat down in San Diego though, and throw something really cool and unexpected at us to try to diffuse all the anomosity over the plethora of upcoming rehashes.  They can't be this completely stupid and out of touch, can they?  Rat bastards.

The only way they could do that is show us the upcoming Quinlan Vos figure. And that will not happen.

As for these...Dammit Hasbro has me by the balls when it comes to the Jedi so I'll be getting one to open and one to keep carded. Dammit!!! >:(
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Brian on July 14, 2005, 08:49 AM
Honestly, after seeing them now, I don't mind them that much either.  I'm not sure I'll part with $13 each for them (if that is the price), but if they were regular figures I'd probably bite.  They are more repaints, and that bothers me, but they don't really look too bad...much better than the Lava Vader in my opinion.  The bases are kind of neat too.  We'll see, depends on the price, but I might pick these up.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: ruiner on July 14, 2005, 09:03 AM
They are neat looking and the exclusive aspect will cause these figs to fly off the shelves - no doubt about it.


Really we can't be surprised with this lame ass news coming out of Comic-Con.  Hasbro blew their wad with the first 56 figures - each one a new mold.

Hindsight being 20/20, they should have held back and released the new figures (by that I mean new molds) evenly over the course of the year vs. all new figures the first half and repaints the second half.

Get your CC ready - EE.com is your best bet to securing these rehashes (if you want them).

Retailers are sitting on TONS of the first waves (and will be ordering light on SW for the rest of the year) - these new figures have Sio Bibble written all over them.

Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 14, 2005, 09:44 AM
DUMB!  I think Target is becoming the biggest rip off retailer around when it comes to Star Wars collectibles.  Hail Walmart!   ;)

 :P

I definitely bitched more than my part about Target when they pulled that nonsense about the $13 army builder clone trooper.  I'm sure most of you already read that.

Now about these about these silver figures, hologram figures, lava reflection figures...I've never bought these anyhow, so I prefer Hasbro keeps making these types of exclusives. 

I am an army builder.  That is my primary interest in Star Wars.  I buy main characters of course, but figures like wookiees, clone troopers, battle droids, stormtroopers...I buy anywhere from 10-100 of those types of figures.

So I say keep making that lava reflection and hologram **** exclusive, and leave my army builders alone!
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: ruiner on July 14, 2005, 10:13 AM
Well then I feel sorry for you too Dressel - it's going to be tough finding the new repainted clonies and wookies.

And I'm with you, the only thing I'm buying these days are clones.

Hell, I probably only have 13 figures from ROTS....and 20 clones.


Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: vegastrooper on July 14, 2005, 10:29 AM
More LAVA figures...didn't buy vader...won't buy these either.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Famine on July 14, 2005, 10:10 PM
Anakin...looks...cool. Wont pay 12.99 for one though. I have a buddy in cali who could paint the same damn thing for 3 bucks.

Kevin
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Diddly on July 14, 2005, 10:30 PM
Yeah, they do look cool. It's the paint talking though. The price will more than likely turn me away.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Morgbug on July 14, 2005, 10:47 PM
I'll concede they look decent but I'm going to try and pass on them on principle. 
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Nicklab on July 14, 2005, 10:49 PM
The bases look cool and so do the paint jobs.  I hope the production paintjobs look better than the Lava Reflection Vader's did.

Is the price high?  Yes.  Will I buy them?  Yeah.  The line is only going to have legs for so long, so I'm going to get them while the getting is good.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Jagdohh_Fett on July 15, 2005, 03:04 AM
Well I do have the Lava Vader, but I'm still not sure if I want to pay that kind of price for more similar figures. Though I'm sure I'd never find em anyway ...
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Nathan on July 19, 2005, 04:37 PM
From GalacticHunter (http://www.galactichunter.com/sdcomiccon05/hasbro2.asp):

The Lava Reflection Obi-Wan Kenobi and Darth Vader (i.e., Anakin) are indeed part of Target's Premium Figure Program. In your lingo, this translates to "overpriced overpackaged repaints." These will have the clamshell and likely be $11.99 each.  While these are infinitely superior to the Darth Vader and Clone Trooper figures as far as paint quality appears to be concerned, they're just overpriced rereleases of $5 figures with a new base. We like them, but it's possible these items will languish if parents don't eat them up when these are the only main characters available to their kids.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Jeff on July 19, 2005, 04:53 PM
Yeah, well Hasbro said the MSRP for the Target Clone was like $10-11 and Target charged $13, so I wouldn't be surprised to see these two (being main characters and all) at at juicy $14.99 price this fall.   :-X
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: evenflow on July 19, 2005, 08:24 PM
I think they could have come up with soemthing better, but i knwo if i see them i will pick them up. I think they will stick to the 11.99 price tag.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Jesse James on July 20, 2005, 12:59 AM
Interesting...

These Lava figures, and the Clone, may be something I have to weigh heavily as to whether or not I buy.  The Clone I was hoping to get 5.  A "team".  If they're $15 I'll grudgingly get 2 maybe, or perhaps only one for completists sake.

If Target's making this a sorta "permanent" thing on their pegs though, I bet the novelty wears off that the term "exclusive" often brings...  I think that moves this repaint stuff more than the figures themselves.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Commander JediSearch on July 20, 2005, 01:02 AM
If Target's making this a sorta "permanent" thing on their pegs though, I bet the novelty wears off that the term "exclusive" often brings...  I think that moves this repaint stuff more than the figures themselves.

My thoughts exactly!  Way too many "exlusives" are showing up now.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Jesse James on July 21, 2005, 12:30 AM
If Target's doing it not even so much as their exclusives in the past, but as regular things that'll have dedicated shelf space, that's weird...  I wonder if the novelty will wear off?  Will they be higher production then?

Strange stuff, lotta questions...  The SW brand overall is seeing a weird turn between Hasbro's relationships with retailers, what Hasbro's thinking of making...  Stuff's just all over the place right now. 
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Darth Slothus on July 28, 2005, 05:05 AM
HOLD ON....geez. Look I am a collector so I have to buy 'em too but HEAR this...After seeing that THEIR BASES light up and the lava paint on the figs glows in the dark you'll be paying about right..11.99 for extra electronics. I read about this on a German website. They stated that the base will have a button so you can activate it (after you pull out the first time tag) without opening the piece. Guess we'll wait and see if this post is correct..Man, I can't wait for October 1st!!!!!
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Gatillo on July 28, 2005, 09:09 AM
So then these "lava" figures are going to be similar to the Walmart Qui-Gon and Darth Maul hologram figures that stuck around for months at 9.99 and eventually I got them for $2.  I have five of those Mauls in my holographic army  ;D

This just gets better and better.  Of course theywill sell out at 11.99 because lately most of us collectors are bitting an y exclusive bait that Hasbro dangles in front of us.  It is so sad and I say us because I did get a Lava Vader and a few Target clones.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 28, 2005, 11:01 AM
So then these "lava" figures are going to be similar to the Walmart Qui-Gon and Darth Maul hologram figures that stuck around for months at 9.99 and eventually I got them for $2.  I have five of those Mauls in my holographic army  ;D


LOL, I wish.

Nice set to keep carded. I'll have no interest in opening them.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: JesseVader08 on July 28, 2005, 12:15 PM
HOLD ON....geez. Look I am a collector so I have to buy 'em too but HEAR this...After seeing that THEIR BASES light up and the lava paint on the figs glows in the dark you'll be paying about right..11.99 for extra electronics. I read about this on a German website. They stated that the base will have a button so you can activate it (after you pull out the first time tag) without opening the piece. Guess we'll wait and see if this post is correct..Man, I can't wait for October 1st!!!!!

Do you remember where you read this?  I'd really like to know more about this possibility.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Darth Slothus on July 28, 2005, 01:41 PM
http://www.4-inches.de/inhalt/news.htm..... it was either this site or a link from here to a forum for the "bug" that had the "info from hasbro"....we'll see I guess. If they DID do this
for me anyway it would be more acceptable picking up at the store(I have to anyway). The website has alot of info on approx month rel. for exclusives. Sorry I'm at work and the firewall doesn't alow me to translate so I could not accurately locate the source.  Looks like alot of the exclusives hit this month (AUG). Damned- I don't get my extra 300$ a month raise until OCT. I guess I'll suffer through Aug as well.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: JesseVader08 on September 26, 2005, 11:31 PM
Andrews Toyz.com (http://www.andrewstoyz.com/catalog/ep3_exclusive__anakin___obi-wan_lava_reflection_set_4502304.htm) has carded images of these figures:

Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Brian on September 27, 2005, 09:19 AM
You know, I actually don't mind these figures...for repaints.  If they were regular price, and not that crazy, kick in the pants, $13 Target price....I'd pick them up I think.  But at the "exclusive" pricepoint, I just don't know if I can justify it.  I guess it depends on what I'm feeling if/when I ever see them on the pegs, but if they are $13 each, I'm leaning towards a pass on these.  They really don't look too bad though for repainted figures.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Darth_Anton on September 27, 2005, 09:49 AM
What really bugs me is that as I chat with casual collectors and people who collect other lines (i.e Hot Wheels), they all know about these and the trooper excusive and say how lame it is, but then say, I'm going to pick it up though because it's an exclusive. I just don't know how how to respond.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Nathan on September 27, 2005, 04:02 PM
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Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on September 27, 2005, 04:30 PM
I can take the anakin and obi wan figures these are based on and paint a glaze on them myself and get the same results. I hate stupid hasbro repaints especially at a jacked up price.  >:(
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Jayson on September 27, 2005, 04:54 PM
What really bugs me is that as I chat with casual collectors and people who collect other lines (i.e Hot Wheels), they all know about these and the trooper excusive and say how lame it is, but then say, I'm going to pick it up though because it's an exclusive. I just don't know how how to respond.

A kick in the nuts sounds appropriate.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: DoctorPadawan on September 27, 2005, 07:07 PM
What really bugs me is that as I chat with casual collectors and people who collect other lines (i.e Hot Wheels), they all know about these and the trooper excusive and say how lame it is, but then say, I'm going to pick it up though because it's an exclusive. I just don't know how how to respond.

I'm still waiting for these people to realize that toys aren't exactly this rock-solid investment that they believe it to be.  Every time I hear of this type of behavior, I envision their cars as having that "I'm spending my children's inheritance" bumper sticker on it, but while most people have that bumper sticker in a sarcastic manner, these "Ebay Entepreneurs" are stating it as fact.

Speaking of which, the fact that Ebay is sending people around to give seminars on how to make all your money from home by using Ebay to sell stuff really disturbs me.  But that's neither here nor there, so I digress.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: knashdx on September 28, 2005, 04:11 PM
What really bugs me is that as I chat with casual collectors and people who collect other lines (i.e Hot Wheels), they all know about these and the trooper excusive and say how lame it is, but then say, I'm going to pick it up though because it's an exclusive. I just don't know how how to respond.

A kick in the nuts sounds appropriate.


I agree with Jayson...if you see a person that you know is a Hot Wheels collector grabing Star Wars stuff that reason he deserves to be kicked. We don't go into his stuff and jack Hot Wheels from him because we know that it isn't nice.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: DoctorPadawan on September 28, 2005, 04:56 PM
I agree with Jayson...if you see a person that you know is a Hot Wheels collector grabing Star Wars stuff that reason he deserves to be kicked. We don't go into his stuff and jack Hot Wheels from him because we know that it isn't nice.

Sorry for the derail, but I saw what had to be the most horrifying sight I have ever seen in a Wal-Mart toy section earlier this morning (and that's saying something).  Wal-Mart had put out one of those race car bed frame things (the huge plastic sandbox looking car) without the mattress in it, and had dumped a huge (a couple hundred) shrinkwrapped two packs of Hot Wheels cars into it, for a dollar each.   :o

Of course, this didn't really blow my mind as I don't know anything (and prefer not to) about Hot Wheels; what did blow my mind was the mass of humanity distributed between six "gentlemen" digging through this mess.  I think there must be a cloning laboratory where the Louie Anderson experiment went horribly wrong and they dumped it in a sewage tank, but it escaped, because WOW.  If I would have had a camera on me, I would have snapped a couple of shots and sent them into the Weekly World News. 

I will not sleep tonight.   :P
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Jeff on October 4, 2005, 08:18 PM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/jbrinkley/tn_reflections.jpg)

The image database has been updated with some new loose and carded photos of these guys!

Check out the great high-res photos of Darth Vader (http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Collectibles/Modern/Revenge_of_the_Sith/Exclusives/Duel_at_Mustafar_-_Darth_Vader_(Target)) and Obi-Wan Kenobi (http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Collectibles/Modern/Revenge_of_the_Sith/Exclusives/Duel_at_Mustafar_-_Obi-Wan_(Target)) and keep your eyes open at your local Target!
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Holographic Elvis on October 4, 2005, 08:53 PM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/jbrinkley/tn_reflections.jpg)

The image database has been updated with some new loose and carded photos of these guys!

Check out the great high-res photos of Darth Vader (http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Collectibles/Modern/Revenge_of_the_Sith/Exclusives/Duel_at_Mustafar_-_Darth_Vader_(Target)) and Obi-Wan Kenobi (http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Collectibles/Modern/Revenge_of_the_Sith/Exclusives/Duel_at_Mustafar_-_Obi-Wan_(Target)) and keep your eyes open at your local Target!

Got mine!   ;D

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/WingNut25/Myhaul.jpg)
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Darth Broem on October 4, 2005, 09:17 PM
Oh I can just see myself breaking down and getting all three of those exclusives. 
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: OCEAN on October 5, 2005, 02:41 PM
ANYBODY HAVE THE DCPI# FOR THE LAVA REFLECTION ANAKIN AND OBI-WAN?
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: SGT. Flint on October 5, 2005, 03:11 PM
Right here buddy....


DCPI# 087-06-0228

DCPI# 087-06-0298

DCPI# 087-06-0516


Now that is for OB1, Ani and the Stealth Trooper
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: JesseVader08 on October 5, 2005, 03:43 PM
Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but did Vader and Obi-Wan ring up as $11.99 or $12.99 each?
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: SpudTrooper on October 5, 2005, 03:47 PM
they're $12.99  :D
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: OCEAN on October 5, 2005, 04:08 PM
THANKS FOR THE DCPI #'S...I HOPE THESE FIGURES HIT GEORGIA SOON..
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Jeff on October 5, 2005, 08:26 PM
Woot!   ;D

Picked up my set at a local Target tonight (along with a second Clone Battle Pack).

After seeing these figures in person, I decided to buy 2 sets - the carded set I was going to originally buy as well as an opener set.  Sure, they are $13 bucks each and it's probably too much but I kinda like them in a "lava-y" sort of way.  With the light just right, they do kinda have a reflection that makes them look like they might be on a lava field.   :)
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: SilverZ on October 5, 2005, 08:52 PM
Yeah, you know, it's funny... I actually like the "lava reflection" thing as well.

It's gimmicky but it actually works, I think. They look like they're on Mustafar, and the bases top it off.

I have more of a problem with the figures themselves. You can't really do many duel poses with either of them. Pilot Obi would obviously have been a superior choice, and the only viable Duel Anakin is the Evo one. Most unfortunate.

One of the most awaited duels in the history of movies, and Hasbro couldn't get two "action" figures together that can actually be posed to look like they're fighting. Good work on that one there.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Jesse James on October 6, 2005, 12:30 AM
Hey Ocean,

Welcome aboard...  If you could click off the Caps Lock please it'd be appreciated, thanks man!
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Pete_Fett on October 6, 2005, 12:33 AM
I too was on the fence regarding these figures, I definitely was going to get them, but I wasn't keen on the idea. When I got the two sets of them today, I decided that I really do like them. I kinda wish now they had used the ROTS Vader as the Lava Reflection Vader exclusive and packaged him with a Mustfar base as well so you could have all three "lava Reflection" figures displayed the same.

The paint-op on the Obi-Wan really pulls out the detail of the sculpt well - you can see the dispair on his face.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 6, 2005, 01:17 AM
Right here buddy....


DCPI# 087-06-0228

DCPI# 087-06-0298

DCPI# 087-06-0516


Now that is for OB1, Ani and the Stealth Trooper

The 0228 number is actualy for the clone 5-pack. Vader(Anakin) and Ob1 share the same number 0298. ;)
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Jesse James on October 6, 2005, 02:35 AM
Buddy of mine got me the Lava figs and I'm very thankful for that...  It's gonna be all I can do to snag a Clone 5-pack and Shadowtrooper I'm thinking so the Lava figs "out of the way" gives me some focus on that 5-pack right now.

Hopefully I can get a couple of the Trooper...  Pricey as it is, I'd like a 4-man team of these just because they strike me as a special ops kind of team.

Somehow I think pmundheim's thinking along the same lines?  Paul, what say ye?
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Nathan on October 8, 2005, 10:45 PM
I saw some of these today at a scalper booth at the local comic convention. I was pleasantly surprised to see they don't completely suck, and if they were the normal $6 I would've at least considered them, but because of the price and the bull**** gimmicky nature I still refuse to go anywhere near these things, just on principle.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: evenflow on October 8, 2005, 11:00 PM
They are alright, nothing to amazing, but i thought good enough to pick up.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Gatillo on October 8, 2005, 11:37 PM
I was not impressed.  I'll pick them up on clearance but not at regular price.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: DoctorPadawan on October 9, 2005, 10:39 AM
I had sworn to myself that I wasn't even going to bother with these unless I saw them hanging around, and even then it would be questionable.  So, after reading everyone else talk about theirs and how unexpectedly nice they were, I figured, "What the hell?"

Of course, I had to use the DCPI trick to get them, but I am happy with them.  As nice as Jared's photos are (the best I've seen online, naturally), pictures don't really do them justice.  Seeing them in person, even if you don't buy them, the "glaze" is so much more pronounced and appreciable.  I won't be opening mine (a rare event in my collection) since I have too many 1's and 2's as it is right now, but even then, the packaging overall is a nice way of displaying the figures.

Even though I know there is a loose street date of sorts on these figures and the other Target exclusives, I think I have finally figured everything out.  Target says they want everyone to have an equal chance at getting collectible items, and I think that keeping them in the back is their way of doing so.  Of course, by keeping them in the back, nobody really has a chance at getting them, so in a way, we all do have an equal chance of finding the things.  :P

And seriously, for what has to be the millionth time I've said this, street dates for toys are completely ridiculous. 
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Diddly on October 9, 2005, 12:39 PM
Well, the good reviews keep coming in, and I keep leaning toward purchasing these. At first I was going to pass, but if Doctor Padawan likes something, you know you HAVE to get it. :P

I'll still wait and make my final decision once I see them in person.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: ruiner on October 10, 2005, 11:02 AM
I keep thinking that they are going to run them in next weeks circular.  Maybe that's why they are holding them until 10/16?

Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: OCEAN on October 13, 2005, 05:35 PM
 Today I I payed another visit to Target to buy the Attack on Coruscant set. I noticed that they had an end cap set up for them so I didnt have to use the dcpi#. Anyways, I noticed that one of the lava figures (darth vader) had the wrong figure in the package. Instead of the lava reflection vader/anakin, it was the #28 sith-eye. The cardback, decals and cardboard insert are all the same as the other anakin and obi lava figures.
     I went ahead and bought the exclusive. Im working on getting a picture of it for you guys. Im not sure how to do the whole cut and paste thing. I would like to send the pic to one of you to get it posted. I would also like to hear any thoughts that any of you have relating to this find.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: JesseVader08 on October 13, 2005, 08:45 PM
I noticed that one of the lava figures (darth vader) had the wrong figure in the package. Instead of the lava reflection vader/anakin, it was the #28 sith-eye.

It sounds like someone did the ol' switcherooney - bought the Lava Anakin and returned the package with the Sith Eyes Anakin in its place.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 13, 2005, 10:10 PM
You know, after getting a good look at these figures, I have to say that they're not bad. I like the weathered look, but it's still not enough to get me to open a set.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: OCEAN on October 14, 2005, 06:58 AM
In regard to my earlier post on the #28 sith-eye and lava anakin/vader, I have decided to return the figure. I had taken the the carded package out of the star case and it looks to me like someone did switch them out. I believe they did it at the store; no tape was used to seal the box back up with.
 
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 17, 2005, 01:02 PM
Has anyone seen the shelf price marked at $12.99. I haven't see this in the several Targets I've seen the end cap at.

Is the price marked in the add?
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Gatillo on October 17, 2005, 01:46 PM
My 4 locals Targets have the price stickers at 12.99 right on the pegs.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: iFett on October 17, 2005, 01:52 PM
I've been collecting the price tags from Target on their exclusive figures to go along with them.  Lame, yes.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 19, 2005, 12:16 PM
Is anyone surprised that these are actually sitting on the shelves?
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Gatillo on October 19, 2005, 12:20 PM
Nope.  Actually I'm not surprise that Plo koon's fighter is sitting as well.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: ruiner on October 19, 2005, 12:23 PM
I'm not surprised at all - hell, I am even thinking about returning them.

$26 for two repainted figures is ridiculous.   >:(
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: bobafett14 on October 19, 2005, 02:37 PM
There were aton of these at my local Taget this morning, and for $13+tax a pop, and there on the shelf they will stay.  Ugh, these are god awful looking, worse than in the pics, I didn't even bother picking these up off the shelf to look at.  Scalpers pockets usually don't run to deep, so I imagine they will remain there for a little while.  Especially since the reg figs are discounted at $4.31ea.

At $13 a pop, for 3 little figs, you could get a nice mini-bust for less!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What are Hasbro and Target thinking?
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Jim on October 22, 2005, 11:34 AM
I found these last night on an endcap like most everyone else.  What was strange is that there were a good 25-30 Anakins and only 2 Obi-Wans ???

They also had about 10 of the Clone 5-packs.

Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: DoctorPadawan on October 22, 2005, 01:34 PM
These are definitely the slowest moving exclusive action figures of the year (the Early Bird kit still holds the record for slowest moving overall exclusive), and I'm wondering if the 13 buck price tag on them is going to end up sinking the whole "overpriced figure in a clamshell" experiment once and for all.   My Target got two cases of the figures (12 of each) and I'd say they've sold one case worth, give or take, of those figures. 

It's also the first time in recent memory that Target (well, my local one anyway) has advertised an exclusive and had it actually be on shelves for anyone to purchase, which I think is great.  I've gone into Target several times this week for one thing or another and every time there have been Lava figures, the Plo Koon JSF, and the Clone Battle Packs sitting on the shelves looking at me (the latter two are, believe it or not, moving better than the Lava figures).

I still like the figures as a novelty thing (they're staying carded for sure), but I will freely admit that the price is WAY too high for them, especially with the rumored "light-up" feature not coming to fruition.  I'm hopeful that the "slow" sales of the Lava figures this time around makes Target reconsider their whole "premium figure" exclusives, and we go back to 5-6 dollars across the board for an action figure.

Honestly, the thing that disturbs me more is that there aren't any Plo Koons on the pegs and/or included with the JSF right now.  But this is neither the time nor thread to discuss that.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: jokabofe on October 23, 2005, 03:01 PM
These are definitely the slowest moving exclusive action figures of the year (the Early Bird kit still holds the record for slowest moving overall exclusive), and I'm wondering if the 13 buck price tag on them is going to end up sinking the whole "overpriced figure in a clamshell" experiment once and for all.   My Target got two cases of the figures (12 of each) and I'd say they've sold one case worth, give or take, of those figures.

Interesting. I had to go to three different Targets to get a set, the first two actually told me that they had sold out. The third Target had two of each figure left, which I bought.

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It's also the first time in recent memory that Target (well, my local one anyway) has advertised an exclusive and had it actually be on shelves for anyone to purchase, which I think is great.  I've gone into Target several times this week for one thing or another and every time there have been Lava figures, the Plo Koon JSF, and the Clone Battle Packs sitting on the shelves looking at me (the latter two are, believe it or not, moving better than the Lava figures).

I still have yet to see either of those two exclusives at the Target's that I hit up on a regular basis. "If it's in the flyer, look at it there, and don't expect to see it in person" must be my Target's motto.

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I still like the figures as a novelty thing (they're staying carded for sure), but I will freely admit that the price is WAY too high for them, especially with the rumored "light-up" feature not coming to fruition.  I'm hopeful that the "slow" sales of the Lava figures this time around makes Target reconsider their whole "premium figure" exclusives, and we go back to 5-6 dollars across the board for an action figure.

Honestly, the thing that disturbs me more is that there aren't any Plo Koons on the pegs and/or included with the JSF right now.  But this is neither the time nor thread to discuss that.

Hurray to that statement. I do like these guys, although I wish they would have used different bodies for them. The #55 Obi-Wan is a 100% improvement over this one, why not use his body? And that Anakin body is just atrocious. But overall, I dig these figures. Did I dig the price? Hell no. But, just like everyone else, I'll continue to pay the premium to keep my collection complete. I don't think it will ever end. As long as people are willing to pay the price, they will keep doing it. Maybe someday, when the last 5% of collectors are still buying stuff, and they decide to make that "Bail Organa in seated position" exclusive for $13, they won't sell more than a few hundred, and that will signify the end of the premium priced figures for Target. But until then, this will continue. No matter how many people complain, the sales are definitely out-weighing complaints at the moment.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Gatillo on October 23, 2005, 03:28 PM
I went to four Targets yesterday to try and locate some new figures before the sale was over.  Three of the four had the Lava figures.  One of them had 8 Obis and 6 Anis.  All four had several Plo Koon ships and only 1 had the coruscant attack BP, there were 5 there though.

I might get the lava figures but when I see them at clearance.  I learned my lesson when I bought 3 or 4 clone troopers at 12.99 and then found a dozen of them a month later at 50%.

The Plo Koon I can probably get for 98 cents in a few months.  It is a cool ship but I'm not worried about it selling out.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: jokabofe on October 23, 2005, 08:27 PM
I went to four Targets yesterday to try and locate some new figures before the sale was over.  Three of the four had the Lava figures.  One of them had 8 Obis and 6 Anis.  All four had several Plo Koon ships and only 1 had the coruscant attack BP, there were 5 there though.

I might get the lava figures but when I see them at clearance.  I learned my lesson when I bought 3 or 4 clone troopers at 12.99 and then found a dozen of them a month later at 50%.

The Plo Koon I can probably get for 98 cents in a few months.  It is a cool ship but I'm not worried about it selling out.

Wow. I wish I lived near the Target you are talking about. I never saw an Exclusive Clone, full priced or not. Not once.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Gatillo on October 23, 2005, 09:44 PM
then I probably shouldn't tell you of the morning I counted 36 Target clones on the pegs and didn't even buy one ;D
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 24, 2005, 09:53 AM
then I probably shouldn't tell you of the morning I counted 36 Target clones on the pegs and didn't even buy one ;D

Don't tell me about it either. I'm in the same boat as Jokabofe. :P
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Bobafett77 on October 24, 2005, 10:28 AM
then I probably shouldn't tell you of the morning I counted 36 Target clones on the pegs and didn't even buy one ;D

Wow! The most I saw was 12 at one time and they were all gone within 5 minutes of the store opening.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Lava Reflection Anakin and Obi-Wan
Post by: Jesse James on October 25, 2005, 01:34 AM
I saw a lot of the Target Clone in my area, actually.  I got mine via DPCI prior to their release, but after their release I saw them at the 3 Target's I hit semi-routinely...  the highest volume store sold fastest, but the lowest volume store had them on the pegs for probably a month before they all finally sold through...  I was surprised.

These Lava figures are like fly dirt though if they're out on the pegs at all even (some still have TIE's in the stock room I see by checking the DPCI, and also are hoarding their Lava figs for some reason!).  The Lava figures I saw the other day though...  man, that was a lot, and they were there the next time I was down without even one selling.

I hope the Shadow Troop is htat easy to find.  I'd like 4 for a "team". :)