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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (SPOILERS)
« Reply #330 on: February 3, 2020, 11:57 AM »
This one bit isn't really related to TROS, but this detail came out in the Visual Dictionary for The Rise Of Skywalker about a major location in The Force Awakens.  Ready for it?

Starkiller Base was built on the planet ILUM!  The planet appeared first in the Clone Wars microseries, and again in The Clone Wars animated series.  Then it turned up in the 'Ahsoka' novel, where she discovered that the Empire was strip mining the planet.  And the First Order followed in the footsteps of the Empire, building Starkiller Base there because of all of the kyber crystal deposits within the planet.


Nice work!

On another note I'm discovering OT circumstances that connect to ROS. I have never applied any scrutiny to the fact that Vader/Anakin didn't dissipate from the armor yet his force ghost is present 6-8 hours later. So now we have Leia, who passes only to disappear beneath her shroud after Ben passes. So I guess that lines up.

Matt (Jedi Moses) also pointed out that the Palaptine tells Luke to "strike me down". I've never considered that Palpatine might have been ok with that. Some might argue against the direction of the conclusion of ROS, but to me its an interesting question about what Palpatine had originally planned. I'm neither for or against individuals becoming all the sith or all the jedi, but its interesting.
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (SPOILERS)
« Reply #331 on: February 4, 2020, 06:41 AM »
I won't say they stole the delayed Force Ghost thing from the EU/Legends since I doubt many in charge are well versed in it, but back when they had the Jacen Solo turn to the darkside story line, Jacen killed Mara Jade and she left her body behind hoping that Luke et al. could solve her murder.  At her funeral, her body finally disappeared into the Force and she later appeared as a Force Ghost.

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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (SPOILERS)
« Reply #332 on: February 4, 2020, 10:02 AM »
I won't say they stole the delayed Force Ghost thing from the EU/Legends since I doubt many in charge are well versed in it, but back when they had the Jacen Solo turn to the darkside story line, Jacen killed Mara Jade and she left her body behind hoping that Luke et al. could solve her murder.  At her funeral, her body finally disappeared into the Force and she later appeared as a Force Ghost.

The EU just stole it from Vader/Anakin anyway.  ;)
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (SPOILERS)
« Reply #333 on: February 10, 2020, 07:44 AM »
I won't say they stole the delayed Force Ghost thing from the EU/Legends since I doubt many in charge are well versed in it, but back when they had the Jacen Solo turn to the darkside story line, Jacen killed Mara Jade and she left her body behind hoping that Luke et al. could solve her murder.  At her funeral, her body finally disappeared into the Force and she later appeared as a Force Ghost.

The EU just stole it from Vader/Anakin anyway.  ;)

Lucas muddied that one up to much with the special editions and using Hayden instead of Shaw.  Hard to tell what actually happened with all of that.

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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (SPOILERS)
« Reply #334 on: February 10, 2020, 10:23 AM »
There's a shot of Anakin's cremation where the camera shows smoke rising from Vader's mask that is supposed to be significant.  Lucas kept it pretty vague on purpose.
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (SPOILERS)
« Reply #335 on: February 12, 2020, 12:39 PM »
I won't say they stole the delayed Force Ghost thing from the EU/Legends since I doubt many in charge are well versed in it, but back when they had the Jacen Solo turn to the darkside story line, Jacen killed Mara Jade and she left her body behind hoping that Luke et al. could solve her murder.  At her funeral, her body finally disappeared into the Force and she later appeared as a Force Ghost.

The EU just stole it from Vader/Anakin anyway.  ;)

Lucas muddied that one up to much with the special editions and using Hayden instead of Shaw.  Hard to tell what actually happened with all of that.

I'm not sure how to reply to this. I would actually argue that the issue of Anakin's ghost and Leia's ghost has no bearing on the actor depicted for Anakin. If it helps clarify I would rewind to 1983 and view this topic in that context. Either way, the Vader armor/clothing never flattens out and half a day later he's a ghost just like Obi-wan and Yoda who both seemed to transition immediately to be one with the force.
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (SPOILERS)
« Reply #336 on: February 12, 2020, 02:44 PM »
the Vader armor/clothing never flattens out and half a day later he's a ghost just like Obi-wan and Yoda who both seemed to transition immediately to be one with the force.

My friends and I argued about this a lot back in the day.  I think we all kind of ended up going back to the "he's more machine than man now".  The bits and armor that are left behind and burned are "Darth Vader" and Anakin couldn't truly free himself and surrender to the Force until "Vader" was destroyed/burned.

In a way, "Anakin" was trapped inside the armor/Vader and it wasn't until the armor was destroyed that he was free.
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (SPOILERS)
« Reply #337 on: February 14, 2020, 11:26 AM »
the Vader armor/clothing never flattens out and half a day later he's a ghost just like Obi-wan and Yoda who both seemed to transition immediately to be one with the force.

My friends and I argued about this a lot back in the day.  I think we all kind of ended up going back to the "he's more machine than man now".  The bits and armor that are left behind and burned are "Darth Vader" and Anakin couldn't truly free himself and surrender to the Force until "Vader" was destroyed/burned.

In a way, "Anakin" was trapped inside the armor/Vader and it wasn't until the armor was destroyed that he was free.

That might be the case too. Either way the force ghost requirements are probably more pliable than we would guess.
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (SPOILERS)
« Reply #338 on: February 18, 2020, 12:51 PM »
I have heard thereís a lot extra footage out there and hope they are able to bundle it all someday.  Iíd love to see things that got cut like the aforementioned forcey Finn stuff.  I donít necessarily need it integrated or anything.  I just love cut footage.  Iím boggled at how much Jackson cut from the Hobbit films.

I just saw ROS again for my sixth time. I have been paying attention to Finn's forcey moments for a while now. What is strange is that the force doesn't really make him better at anything. He's probably equal to Poe in using a hand held blaster but he's still just ok at running the cannons on the falcon. He definitely feels important things like the arrival of Ren on Pasaana and death of Rey, and the scene with Jannah implies the force might genuinely convict people to turn against harming innocent people. Maybe He and Jannah are supposed to be new church of the force people rather than actual force users.

Also, the Trevorrow script had some character that was a sith creature almost like a sith "yoda" that had been around since before Palpatine. That is a context that makes all the previous stories less important. I know some people are concerned about Palpatine's return cheapening Vader's sacrifice, but that  Trevorrow sith creature would have shafted Palpatine and the rule of two. That would have been a total bomb.

Also, this is random, but the destruction of the sith "arena" scene reminds me of of this classic Daffy Duck episode where everyone throws garbage at Elmer Fudd's dog. It's stupid but I laugh every time I see this moment in ROS because I canít avoid thinking of that stupid dog getting blasted with garbage.
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