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Re: 3rd Party Kenner Retro-Style Toys
« Reply #315 on: April 8, 2025, 11:50 PM »
I’ve never even thought about looking for stuff on their site.  What kinda of search terms are you using?  “Stan Solo Star Wars” doesn’t seem to come up with anything.

Yeah despite their search bar sometimes completing a query like that, using Stan Solo doesn’t work. I tend to see listings after I search some variant of “Star Wars 3.75 figure” or “Star Wars vintage collection”. I went through my orders and found the listing for the figures I bought. Prices have gone up slightly for the Fetts…

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Re: 3rd Party Kenner Retro-Style Toys
« Reply #316 on: April 9, 2025, 02:11 PM »
Cool thanks.  I've always been a bit leery of those sites...

In the meantime, I was able to buy the last two SLC figures last night and this morning... Orange Pauldron Sandtrooper and Uncle Owen are bought...

That was expensive.

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Re: 3rd Party Kenner Retro-Style Toys
« Reply #317 on: April 10, 2025, 09:03 AM »
So you will have the full set of 13?  I managed to get SLC to actually ship me Thrawn and Han ST a few years back when he started the "do you want me to ship as they come in" stuff.  I was more excited about most of the rest of the figures, but unless they could be found for around $30/each, I really think I have to pass.

I guess we will have to wait and see how they turn out.  It is quite comical the grand design this guy had.  I chatted with him a bit when I first placed preorders and he said the plans were for a second ANH wave, followed by ESB wave, and then ROTJ/EU wave.

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« Reply #318 on: April 10, 2025, 09:48 AM »
I will. 

I had Thrawn and Han and the Fleet Trooper from before… I never bought the 13 but he was selling them for like $30 or $35 so (even though it felt gross because they should have been sent to backers) I bought them. 

I think that only stuff I don’t have or haven’t bought this past week is Gold and Black Boots Tall Red Snaggletooth (I have a silver booted one), Corona R2 because it’s dumb… holo yak face because I just don’t like it…

I got Biggs and Space Man last night, I’ll add some pictures later.  They really are nicely produced.

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Re: 3rd Party Kenner Retro-Style Toys
« Reply #319 on: April 10, 2025, 10:52 AM »

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Re: 3rd Party Kenner Retro-Style Toys
« Reply #320 on: April 11, 2025, 08:17 AM »
They certainly do look good.  This really adds to more confusion.  Most of the post Stan Solo stuff that SLC sent out wasn't the best quality, but it seems someone could make the wave of 13 at good quality.

I would love to know the real story about these figures not getting produced.  My guess is Krahn used the money for all his legal problems and stiffed the factory at some point.

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« Reply #321 on: April 11, 2025, 08:55 AM »
I’m paraphrasing but the prevailing story at Rebelscum is that he didn’t set out to screw everyone and the problems started when a shipment of figures was seized by customs. He didn’t have the capital to cover that and this led to a fight and eventual falling out with the factory.  Once that happened he lost all the investment that he’d made with them for molds and then didn’t have the money to start over.  It’s a generous version of events and is plausible enough.  But it’s all speculation because he’s never really said what happened.   

Quality-wise, the Leia was ****, but he blamed that on the factory and the other ones that got out were all pretty good as far as I can tell… Stormtrooper Han, Thrawn, the Fleet Trooper… so it’s not impossible that they were going to be good. 

The quantities and prices being charged over the last two weeks would suggest scarcity, but no one really knows if they have 500 of them and prices will drop or if they have ten samples and they’re almost gone, or if they’re manufacturing them.  Time will tell I guess.

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Re: 3rd Party Kenner Retro-Style Toys
« Reply #322 on: April 11, 2025, 09:26 AM »
I will go into a little more detail than Rob did but he's 100% correct in everything he says. The story is interesting once all the pieces get put together.

The unofficial mythology here is all about the rivalry between Krahn and Smith. Smith built Smith Lord Creations, Krahn expressed interest in being SLC's American distributor through The Fans Strike Back, but before anything happened there, Smith decided he was done with the business and offered to sell it outright to Krahn. Krahn accepted happily.

Krahn began cranking out SLC product through TFSB. He began preselling Banthas and "the 13." At the same time, Smith had second thoughts or misgivings about selling his company and started a new one doing the same thing called Stan Solo. He went back to his old Chinese factory contacts to do this, and so both Stan Solo and SLC figures were made at the same factory.

Krahn did not appreciate this very direct competition from the guy who had sold the company to him. Smith alleges Krahn leaked shipping information to authorities about "bootleg toys" to get Smith's product seized when imported to England. If that was his strategy it backfired horribly on him because soon after a shipment of SLC Stormtroopers was seized by American customs. Krahn blamed the Chinese factory and tried to force them to replace the seized figures, but the factory refused. As the argument escalated, the factory simply stopped responding and ceased working with both SLC and Stan Solo( which accounts for why Smith stopped making astromech droid variations at that time, he lost access to all of his mold inventory.)

Smith picked up by moving on to a new factory and producing new figures and new molds, starting over for essentially the third time. He continues to thrive in his niche.

Krahn was hurting because the seized Stormtroopers were allegedly a presell that he could not fulfill until he found a new factory, made new molds, and got them produced again. This is where it looks like money started going from one thing to cover another ( though that could have been going on the whole time with him.) The worst result was he didn't have established contacts in China and when he did get back into production it was with inferior quality. The Slave Leia figure he put out is all the example you need for this.

As SLC had lost the money invested in the molds for the "13" when they lost the original factory (who, lo and behold, did in fact at least partially produce the whole run of 13 figures) it then became a problem of Krahn never having the ability to catch up enough financially to get that process started again. Losing the original factory also cost SLC the ability to make the Bantha for all the same reasons.

In the end the most damning part of the process was that, as it started to unravel, Krahn repeatedly lied and tried to spin his way out of issues with customers. He was never able to catch up with what he'd spent and lost, his reputation tanked, and TFSB and SLC effectively disappeared.

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Re: 3rd Party Kenner Retro-Style Toys
« Reply #323 on: April 11, 2025, 10:19 AM »
I can't wait until Netflix makes this into a movie... 
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Re: 3rd Party Kenner Retro-Style Toys
« Reply #324 on: April 11, 2025, 12:08 PM »
Maybe the sequel can be about the Toy Toni catastrophe with the re-sealed figures.

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Re: 3rd Party Kenner Retro-Style Toys
« Reply #325 on: April 11, 2025, 02:07 PM »
Maybe the sequel can be about the Toy Toni catastrophe with the re-sealed figures.

Yeah, whatever happened with all that? Was there any kind of conclusive determination on what went down?
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Re: 3rd Party Kenner Retro-Style Toys
« Reply #326 on: April 11, 2025, 03:10 PM »
As I remember it there weren't any real consequences... he probably made hundreds of thousands of dollars doing it too.

His re-seals / customs / whatever you want to call them still sell for a decent amount on eBay and it's generally considered the right thing to do to mention it if you knowingly are selling one.  Some people even collect them. 

They beg a great philosophical collecting question though... he put uncirculated figures into authentic cards and bubbles.  Is the date they were sealed and the machine that was used for it really the thing that gives all that stuff their value?

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Re: 3rd Party Kenner Retro-Style Toys
« Reply #327 on: April 12, 2025, 08:52 AM »
I have to think there is a bit more to Krahn saga than stated.  There is a lot of evidence of multiple court cases against him that are unrelated to SLC/TFSB.  Perhaps he didn't get into this to rip people off, but his later actions after losing the factory don't help his case.  All this nonsense about the alleged US manufacturer for the Bantha shows the type of person he is.  Also, retroactively trying to change preorders into "crowd sourced" product looks like a desperate attempt to cover up grand larceny. 

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Re: 3rd Party Kenner Retro-Style Toys
« Reply #328 on: April 15, 2025, 12:56 PM »
The mail just arrived... I'm waiting on Owen, the Orange Sandtrooper, and Beru's Milk Jug and then I'm done:




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Re: 3rd Party Kenner Retro-Style Toys
« Reply #329 on: April 16, 2025, 09:47 AM »
It is somewhat humorous that someone else is making the money off of Krahn's designs.  I would have to guess these are better than whomever did the make good wave of these that I believe were 3D printed.  I would have to inspect these in person to give a final opinion, but it looks like Krahn could have had something here if he just didn't screw everything up horribly.

I guess the best comparisons you could make would be putting the Rebel Trooper and Holo Leia side by side with SS's RT and holo Jedi.

The one thing that got me to preorder this wave was the look of the x-wing pilots (like if Kenner had made these, it looks like they just tweaked the x-wing Luke a bit) and the Beru (which feels to me like if this had existed back in the 70's, it was what was used for the Hasbro Beru way back in the flashback wave).

Too bad this all fell apart because it looks like a nice wave of customs.