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Re: The Future of Star Wars Collecting?
« Reply #720 on: July 27, 2021, 12:27 PM »
Sounds like they need more factories.

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Re: The Future of Star Wars Collecting?
« Reply #721 on: July 27, 2021, 05:43 PM »
Iíd much rather have the security of knowing I will easily be able to preorder everything I want, if that means waiting 12 months, no problem. This instantaneous sell out nonsense is just horribly frustrating.
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Re: The Future of Star Wars Collecting?
« Reply #722 on: July 27, 2021, 06:08 PM »
I just wish that instead of six retro boba fett's they'd raise the price to $15 and put out new, interesting characters, and more of them.

The line has turned into repacks, clones, and a new Mandalorian figure here and there.  It's gotten boring. 

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Re: The Future of Star Wars Collecting?
« Reply #723 on: July 27, 2021, 11:10 PM »
I've been under the assumption that there are two factors currently hurting the hobby:

1. The cost of licensing that Hasbro has to pay Disney just for Star Wars alone
2. The commercial failure of the Sequel Trilogy and its merchandise

We know that Disney increased licensing costs back in 2012 or 2013, and I want to say Hasbro recently signed an extension? Then you have to factor in the rising costs of production, materials, shipping, etc. All of that adds up to a pretty penny, and since Hasbro, LEGO, and other merchandisers have taken a bath on Sequel Trilogy items, I can totally see Hasbro playing it easy and only producing a specific number of figures to guarantee that they sell (and for a profit), and don't hang around clearance aisles/stores for years like Jyn, Cassian, or anything from Last Jedi.
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Re: The Future of Star Wars Collecting?
« Reply #724 on: July 27, 2021, 11:38 PM »
The line has turned into repacks, clones, and a new Mandalorian figure here and there.  It's gotten boring.

I was just complaining the other day that the lack of REAL world-building is killing the 3.75" line.  The "we gotta hit certain profit margins" stuff forces them to make really dumb choices -

"Hey, GameStop wants a 3.75" exclusive figure from Jedi: Fallen Order - should we take the time to scale down the existing BS6" sculpt of the main character from the game?  Nah bro, let's slap a new harness on a Scout Trooper and call it good."

"Hey, the Bad Batch is hot right now - should we get cranking on 3.75" versions of Squad 99? Nah, we don't want to cannibalize sales of the 6" Bad Batch figures so let's just crank out a 4-pack of 3.75" clone repaints and call it good."

Cost constraints force them to make dumb decisions like this all the time and it ends up like you said Rob - clones, troopers, and photo-real updates of stuff I've already owned for 5+ years.  Hard to get too excited for that.

I'm all for raising the price to $15 and allowing them to mix in some 5-7POA figures where it makes sense (stuff like Quay Tolsite and Moloch were fine) if that gets us more ALL NEW, NEVER BEFORE MADE CHARACTERS... but I don't know that I can trust it would turn out that way. :(
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Re: The Future of Star Wars Collecting?
« Reply #725 on: July 28, 2021, 12:44 AM »
I would 100% be in favor of bringing back 5-7 POA figures. I want quantity and variety as much as I want quality and articulation.
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Re: The Future of Star Wars Collecting?
« Reply #726 on: July 28, 2021, 09:58 AM »
They lose me on 5-7 POA figures.  I feel that's a big step backwards on what they are capable of.

They've shown with the success of the Sail Barge and the overwhelming success of the Razor Crest that there is a high demand for high quality TVC items.  They just need to make them and make them available.  I understand it's a balancing act in regards to profits and not wanting to have to put items on clearance....but Hasbro needs to make a leap of faith and make the stuff we are clamoring for.  A little passion on their end would go a long way.
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Re: The Future of Star Wars Collecting?
« Reply #727 on: July 30, 2021, 02:01 AM »
Iím not against 5-7poa as much as I once was, mostly because Iíve found articulating them is kinda satisfying, but the price has to be kinda right for me to be into it.  It would help flesh things out a bit.
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Re: The Future of Star Wars Collecting?
« Reply #728 on: July 30, 2021, 07:27 AM »
Bringing back 5 POA figures does seem like a big step backwards.  The current standards for articulation in The Vintage Collection have gotten almost ridiculous.  Not every figure needs rocker ankles.  And 17 POA (about where most TVC figures max out) is definitely not necessary for characters that are largely about "world building".  I don't need a 17 POA Bib Fortuna or Lobot - the characters simply don't do that much in their respective entertainment where that's necessary for a good figure.

I keep coming back to the figure that really ushered in the new age of articulation - the 2003 SA Clone Trooper.  That figure was the pinacle of articulation at the time and was the gold standard as articulation went, and it had 14 POA.  But we still got along pretty well with figures with a little less articulation.  During that period from 2005 - 2009 figures would have between 10 - 14 POA.  If Hasbro was able to keep sculpting and paint quality at the current standard but be more judicious about appropriate articulation for each character, that could potentially buy a few more figure slots in the line.  I hope that some fan sites can bring up the topic during the next Q&A sessions they get.
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Re: The Future of Star Wars Collecting?
« Reply #729 on: July 30, 2021, 10:12 AM »
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Re: The Future of Star Wars Collecting?
« Reply #730 on: July 30, 2021, 10:56 AM »
I wish Hasbro would take a chance on a 5-7 POA "Mandalorian/Book of Boba Fett" line like the TFA Movie line, but with character choices and pack-ins that make sense. It wasn't the figures that made those lines sit, the first wave with all the main characters sold out months before the movie came out. It was trying to sell all the wonky secondary characters once the main heroes and villains were missing after the movie was out that slowed it up.,,and from there the cycle repeated as each movie only had 6 months to work with before it had to step out of the way for the next year's push. With the TV shows, the lines could blend together better.

At this point I could easily come up with 36 figures from the Mandalorian that would sell consistently, even as 5-7 POA. At a lower price point stores could afford to fill the pegs and maybe a casual buyer would be able to go in and pick up a Din Djarin figure if they wanted one. Look no further than the success of the Retro Mando line as an indication that this would work, I think--the main characters never sat in that line, and even the secondary guys moved eventually.

I could give two flips about articulation at this point in my collecting habits, depth of character selection matters much much more. The other day I was trying to take a picture of TVC Moff Gideon, and I'll be damned if even with all that articulation I could get him to stand in any pose that looked "natural."

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Re: The Future of Star Wars Collecting?
« Reply #731 on: July 30, 2021, 12:33 PM »
100%.  They need a line that's basically for all of the TV shows... Star Wars Episodic or whatever... Put out a Mando wave or three, then put out a Bad Batch wave or three, then put out an Obi-Wan and a Book of Boba Fett wave.

And get over the secrecy thing.  I get not doing a Baby Yoda toy way early, but toys not being available when the shows and film are fresh isn't helping things either.

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Re: The Future of Star Wars Collecting?
« Reply #732 on: July 30, 2021, 02:55 PM »
I could get on board with a new line of figures with 8 POA for the new entertainment projects.  But I agree, one of the biggest missing pieces in world building is character depth.  Itís non existent right now.  That and the missing vehicle and creature lines are equally important in that concept.
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Re: The Future of Star Wars Collecting?
« Reply #733 on: July 30, 2021, 08:45 PM »
I still prefer super articulated but can go with fewer points if it translates to more consumer purchases that'll nudge retailers to expand shelf space and give Hasbro the confidence to produce characters only we geeks know and love.

Hopefully Hasbro is done with the notion that the 1:18  scale can be tweaked for a sustained kiddie and collector line. It can't. Those little monsters gravitate to the next shiny object that drops on youtube. Bey-blades one minute, crocs the next.

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Re: The Future of Star Wars Collecting?
« Reply #734 on: September 11, 2021, 01:57 AM »
I gotta say, this most recent Star Wars Livestream this week was a bummer. In the first Star Wars reveal livestream in ages, only a handful of new items were revealed, most of them being repaints or resculpts. Meanwhile, feels like there's Marvel Legends, Power Rangers, and Transformers livestreams every week where there are new items revealed by teams that are clearly having fun with the products and invested in their fanbases. I dunno why it's bugging me so much.
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