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Clone Wars '03-'05 / Re: CW deluxe at TRU
« on: October 15, 2003, 09:32 PM »
I actually found every single wave of POTJ figures at K-Mart here locally.  I was very pleased with them during that era at least.

Mine have been getting Deluxe CW in as well, and are the only place I've seen a Clone 3-pack thus far...  Got the Clone Speederbikes (Original Saga and the CW version) there as well.  I've only seen the yellow and red clones there though.  No white, Green, or Blue to be had anywhere, nor Jedi 3-packs (Which I'm hearing the Jedi are a woe for many others beyond myself).

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For Jimmy:

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I wouldn't say that Joe handily rules boys toys market at all...

The boys toy market is huge and Transformers and Bay Blades make up a huge chunk of that markets sales now.
Joe is much like Star Wars in that it has a huge collector backing.

I'm  not asking what people think of G.I. Joe, I'm saying what is pretty common knowledge to people looking to make $ in the toy industry.  That is that G.I. Joe is dominating Hasbro's toy sales and making them more profit per cost than any of their other toy lines, at least that is what 2002/2003 is shaping up to be and 2001/2002 showed as fact.

I don't think it's a nice toy line myself, or anything I WANT to collect, and that's my opinion and some other people's opinions, but I'm not blind enough to deny they are a dominating action figure line in the toy aisle, and they make the $ which is what makes them dominant.

I like Star Wars better, it's what I'm into, but I cannot deny that they have really seemingly got a strong selling product from G.I. Joe, and it HAS outperformed Star Wars over the past several years whereas Star Wars has been reported as a disappointment for Hasbro.

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Do you honestly believe that kids have supported that line since it's incarnation? No possible way... And like Nick pointed out Joe is owned completely by Hasbro.

Uh, yes...  I do.  Do you honestly believe the only people buying G.I. Joe  in 1964 were adults?   Were adults the only ones buying it in 1982 when the first ARAH figures came  out?  And are adults the ones I saw clamoring for the new figures at Target the other day?   Well you can't answer that, but I can, and it was a bunch of little kids...

Kids support that line...  So do some adults who love G.I. Joe, but kids are a HUGE plus for that line and are something Star Wars has never been capable of sustaining with its line for any real length of time except maybe when we were young.

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They can do whatever they like for that line and no questions are asked whatsoever. Remember that Lucasfilm must approve what Hasbro does to the SW line...


Well, I'm sure there's a few regulations to it, but like I said to Nick, there's never been an instance in history where the licensing agreement for a toy line is what was the deciding factor at the bottom line, ya know?  Star Wars has a license (One that is likely not broken down into annual percentages by the way, so it's even tough to count it as a "cost" considering that Hasbro probably doesn't have it listed as part of the overhead themselves, but that's purely conjecture).

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Aside from all that Nick mentioned... (which is 100% true) on the cost involved w/ Hasbro and SW... Hasbro also has a much larger market than any of the smaller companies such as Dragon, BBI, etc...

Actually, this supports my argument more...  The fact that BBI, Dragon, and 21st have smaller markets and fewer retail outlets to go through, and the fact they companies that don't even add up to a fraction of the size of Hasbro, means that if anything these smaller companies have higher costs and more on the line.  

So, Thanks for the backup to my point.

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Those companies cater to a smaller market and have made a niche in that market. I know here Dragon and the rest are not flying off shelves at  TRU in any rate fatser than any new SW piece does. I don't take away that they do make some great pieces... but just as in the SW line I have seen a lot of the same old, same old... and some stuff I wouldn't touch.

Well of course Dragon toys don't fly off the shelves at your local TRU.  They're not sold at TRU could be part of the reason.  ;)

It's BBI that's sold at TRU right now (And some 21st Century product though they're not with TRU at this point).  From the reports BBI has put out, the product they've put on shelves lately has sold well enough to warrant an expansion of their 1:18 military line...  

Not shabby for a small private company like BBI making a go at a new market in the first place.  And it must mean that your TRU is the only one their stuff isn't moving well at, because it's moving well elsewhere.

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As Nick pointed out 2003 has been a pretty good year for SW minus a handful of misses... and a handful out of 50+ figures (including multi packs, scenes, etc) is not a huge amount in my book.

Your opinion on good figures isn't what the discussion is over at this point though, or what dictates if Star Wars (As a license) has a great year or not.  It's sales, and sales weren't meeting projected sales last year or this year, and they didn't with E1 either.  Whereas, G.I. Joe seems to meet its expectations yearly.  That is what makes it a better toy line...  Not what we, as SW collectors, think of it.

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I personally think that this is an extremely unfair comparison.  Just from a business model standpoint, Hasbro and these other companies are completely different animals.

First, licensing.  Star Wars is a license that is paid from Hasbro to Lucasfilm Ltd.  So right off the bat, Hasbro is operating at a loss.  The SW license cost them plenty, including a 10% stake in the company that George Lucas now owns.

Differences in companies doesn't necessarily make an unfair playing field though Nick.  That's a tad shortsighted.  So we're to assume that Hasbro's licensing fee means they're in a weaker financial situation right off the bat when compared to a company like 21st Century Toys, BBI, or Dragon?

Come on now...  We're talking about a public corporation, muliti-national, and with a capital reserve that makes the small private companies like Dragon, BBI, and 21st look like a mom & pop general store up against Wall-Mart.

Licensing is not the big crutch everyone claims it to be...

Tack onto that the fact other companies DO pay licensing fees too (Though smaller), and it's hard to say Hasbro's licensing issues are a solid excuse as to any shortcomings within the Star Wars brand.

I will agree with you that we're comparing 2 very different company styles, but I can't help but laugh when anyone gives the "unfair advantage" to the smaller private companies who struggle financially.  Hasbro has a distinct advantage as a large corporation that helps negate licensing as a real issue (If we're doing comparisons here).

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So, they've got to try to bring something to market that meets several levels of expectations:  marketability to the retailers on a mass scale, a broad based appeal to the fans, but first an approval from Lucasfilm's licensing division.  Oh, and did I mention that they also have to try and pay back their licensing fees AND generate a profit?!


And every other company putting toys out on a mass basis has most of the same issues Nick, as well as combatting the fact they're a fraction the size of production companies like Hasbro.  

BBi's new deal with TRU means their toys must be in direct competition with other "military" toys that have an established market.  Namely, BBI's matching up against G.I. Joe who have a strong kid and adult market built up behind them already.  They have to appeal to kids, adults, and TRU buyers.  

So BBI, a private company, must prove their product at retail (Which BBi's reporting their 1:18 line is expected to grow immensely in the coming years after their warm reception of the initial waves at TRU).  As an exclusive, their product is ALSO being limited in sales through a single retailer...  Yet another "battle" the company faces as a small private toy company trying to make it in a large fickle market.

LFL's personal approval process can be compared to anything within any other company as well.  For 21st Century, their process relies on the strictest historical accuracy in deco or details...  For Dragon, their approval process is reported to take up to 20 different tries at a single figure before the heads of Dragon say "OK, now it's ready for production".  

LFL's maybe strict, but let's face it...  Some of what we've seen isn't exactly amazing in accuracy sometimes so how strict can their approval process really be?  They stamp it as "OK, you didn't cross our guidelines" likely and they Hasbro starts cranking it out.  Star Wars, by its very nature, is going to have more leeway in that regard.  It's fiction, and as such some things can be compromised.  The companies working on military product tend not to have that luxury.

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The smaller companies making military lines don't have half of these concerns.  Do they have to pay licensing fees?  Probably not.  Likeness rights?  Nope.

Yes...  The Patton Family.  The Rommel Family.  Chrysler, Ford, GM, etc., etc., etc...  The list certainly goes on.  

Do they cost what the SW license cost?  Probably not, these companies are small and aren't in the running for the SW license even...  But on a relative scale one could make the argument that it's just as large a cost for these small companies to pay out licensing rights that aren't cheap by any stretch (The rights to Chrysler for instance were rumored to be quite high in particular for 21st Century) to them as simply an entity that's a mere fraction the size of Hasbro.

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Do they have to go through a long approval process with the Pentagon?  Nope.  If they did that, you would probably never see these toys.

No, they have in-house historians that strictly monitor the approval of prototypes as they come to light.  Or that's how 21st Century Toys does their approval process...  Then they request the rights (for a plane for instance) to the plane's markings should they be registered (PutPut Maru variant P-38 for instance), and the pilot's name should it also be covered.

See, it's not as simplified for these smaller companies as you make it out to be Nick.  

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The fact is, the small companies like BBi, Dragon, 21st Century, etc don't have anywhere near the cost factor.  Let's face facts:  it's far cheaper for these companies to do business than it is for Hasbro.  As a result, they can offer a somewhat superiro product at about the same price points.

No, there's no "fact" to that at all.  

Once again, you negate the fact that these are dramatically smaller companies with much higher production costs than Hasbro due to capital restraints.  You don't recognize their own licensing fees, and the fact that they're working under the same pressures and overhead that Hasbro is, and doing it from a much smaller company's standpoint.

To say they're able to put out product cheaper than Hasbro is simply misinformation...  Some of these companies, even with very high sales, are struggling because their profit must be turned right back into the company for its own growth.  21st Century continuously makes profit but has financial issues because their overhead bogs the company down, even with good sales.  

So they're somehow still able to make things cheaper than Hasbro does?  That doesn't really make any sense unless you're looking at it black & white in that Star Wars is just a huge license and 21st's brands aren't.  Not a fair analysis by any stretch, but then you'd be correct I guess.
 
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Regarding GI Joe:  GI Joe is able to make more money than Star Wars because Hasbro owns all the rights to GI Joe.  As a result, they don't have to pay any licensing fees, and has free reign over this property.  A very different business model.

Actually it's the same business model since it's Hasbro producing a toy line (Even same markets, trying to balance between older and younger/newer collectors).  It has a distinct overhead I'm sure, with a lot of similarities too, but you're right there's no cost for licensing...

Of course, does licensing suddenly become the key overhead cost t hough?  No, so I don't think one rather small overhead variance is what makes G.I. Joe more profitable than Star Wars.

Again, isn't that a bit shortsighted?  

From sales of the past year on G.I. Joe 2-packs I noticed they generally moved better in my area.  Of course individual #'s aren't available but that's how it seemed in my area...  They still move.  Joe vehicles tend to move better as well, as have the playets.  Vehicles and playets have long been staples of a "hot" action figure line that had interest from a young market, so I think it's possible that G.I. Joe is moving well for reasons other than they don't have a licensing fee...  Call me crazy there, but I have never once in the history of the toy industry seen where a licensing fee was the deciding factor on a product making it big at the time of the sales sheets being printed.

Another thing to keep in mind is Star Wars didn't even MEET projected sales at retail for the last 2 movie years.  So is it still a licensing issue that holds Star Wars back?  Really, that's just not realistic.

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Bearing all these factors in mind, the savvy collector has got to realize that Hasbro cannot do everything perfectly.  We can't get an entire line of Ephant Mon's, otherwise Hasbro would drop the SW license to save their skins, and some craptacular company like Mattel would make terrible toys.  We've got to settle on some pieces that are sub-par, some that are alright, and some that will be great.  Expecting greatness from every single piece while considering the business agreements that Hasbro has to operate under is frankly unrealistic.

No company is perfect by any stretch, I agree, but Hasbro's Star Wars line has run hot and cold since its onset.  With POTJ it ran hot, but with a limited product line-up...  Saga it's run mostly cold in my book, and retail hasn't done anything but back up my opinion there.  2003 (since the throne-room wave at least) and the forseeable future seems like they're going to run on a hot streak again.  This latest wave pictured seems to reinforce that  too...  But as a consumer they're open to lots of criticism that's pretty well warranted considering that Hasbro's always in competition in the toy industry, where opinions/tastes change on a monthly basis.  

They cannot afford to have so many "Sub par" products as they have had in the past year I don't think, and I believe even Hasbro's realized this at this point and aren't arguing it, considering they've stepped up their quality a notch it seems.

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Saga '02-'04 / Talkin' about the toy business...
« on: October 15, 2003, 05:42 PM »
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GI Joe has an extensive line though I don't find the line overly impressive IMHO. Some of the smaller companies producing military make some impressive vehicles... though their figures aren't blow me over material.

I do acknowledge the articulation and accessories are pretty slick in some... though face and body wise strip them down and they are nothing to really look at...

G.I. Joe isn't overly interesting to me either, but the fact that line has outsold Star Wars in terms of profit during a movie year (For the past several years actually) is pretty stunning.  G.I. Joe handily rules the boy's toys market these days.

Appealing to a kid and adult market at the same time is tough but for some reason G.I. Joe does it...

As for the other military lines in 1:18/3.75" scale not being impressive to you, that's fine...  To each their own.  BBi, Dragon, and 21st Century figures sport crisper sculpts though, accurate scaling across the board, and for 2 of the companies (Dragon for some odd reason does not support lots of articulation but rather interchangeable limbs) have figures sporting 14 to 20 points of articulation each.  Pretty hard to top that...  

I mean, BBi figures can even see the weave of the fabric in their clothing.  Texture is something Hasbro just recently decided to start trying to bring out in sculpt (Well at times, other times their often poor paint applications don't accentuate that).

Hasbro's still a couple decades behind in those regards though, but maybe they'll pick up the pace on articulation and such since they're more than capable of doing it well, but just choose not to do it often.  Be nice for the toy line to be fun AND look good like the other toy lines in the same scale.

BTW, check out Dragon and BBi for the best face sculpts in history.  I'd love to see Dragon's 3.75" sculpts of our favorite Star Wars characters.  It's darn near a guarantee they'd be mirror images of the actors themselves.  Dragon dominates everyone in sculpt...  Got to admire those Japanese Toy companies for innovating the industry.

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The Wookiee Arcade / Re: Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike
« on: October 15, 2003, 04:07 PM »
Just a note...  Rebelstrike has gone gold, meaning it's being pressed to disc and shipped out and stuff.  Before long we'll have our game in-hand it appears.

I noticed early reviews aren't glowing for it...  The walking combat is apparantly heavily flawed?

Should be interesting...  I personally wasn't looking forward to that aspect of the game anyway, though I did enjoy the Hoth level I played as the Demo so if it's like that it isn't as heavily flawed as the early reviews claim.

Keep your eyes pealed folks...  Should hit shelves soon.  I'll be happy just to play multi-player with it, and get into the new flying levels.  The rest is just extra stuff to me. :)

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I know what you mean about your worries for pegwarming Matt.  I'm having SOTE Nightmares all over again.

If I were to request new CW items though, I'd go with this:

-A 3-pack of human males and female Jedi...  One sculpt, 3 different decoed outfits though, and each with a cloth outer robe (And cloth skirt pieces).  Since one sculpt it used (And 3 unique headsculpts) the single body is articulated well with 14 points of articulation and liberal use of the ball/socket joint Hasbro's come up with.

-A 3-pack of a NEW Battledroid...  All new sculpt, and articulated better than other BD we've seen so far.  If it came in 3 colors, that would be kind of neat too (Geonosian Red, Trade Fed. cream/white, and there' s a green-ish colored one I've seen also).  3 red droids would be dandy though by me.  USE GOOD PLASTIC!

-A Republic Starfighter (Looks to be a Koensayr design similar to the Y-Wing, but seemingly more of an interceptor...  Its sketch is in the Clone Wars Sketchbook given out at SDCC).  Include either a Clone Pilot or a non-descript Republic Pilot (That'd be cooler I think).

-New Droid Fighter maybe?

-Use the Lt. Faytonni body to make some generic Republic Officers with unique asian/african/Caucasian heads.

-Possibly ATTEMPT (As best as they could) a folding Destroyer Droid that unfolds.  I'd take a few inaccuracuracies so long as they weren't HUGE, if it meant it were possible.

-A neimodian SOldier would be neat...  They were pictured in the last Insider.  I'd take some of those. :)  A wookie soldier would be dandy too, but that could be coming anyway what with the latest jibba jabba around the net.

-A new Royal Guard would be kind of neat, but one with cloth robes and articulation to kick some booty.  No Separatist would try hurting Old Palpy with a super-articulated royal guard nearby to open a can of whoop@$$ on them.

Beyond that though, I'm worried that non-army building type items will not be selling well...  The ARC seems to, but look at Anakin...  Yoda moves cuz he's Yoda, but even he's starting to go stagnant at this point.  

Not a good sign for "Single" figures...  Army Builders at least have history on their side as being figures that always move steadily and will eventually clear out.

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Some definitely great looking figures.  The Concept trooper looks even better than the earlier photos.  He'll make a neat variation.  I'm trying to figure what I'll use his pieces for customizing-wise.  I'm hoping for some kind of walker pilot or something.  The shield's neat for a riot shield too.  :)

The Bail Organa figure is probably one of the better sculpts I've noticed of late.  

The Obi-Wan is ok, but no sabre?  A sabre with removeable blade where the hilt connects to his belt would've been ideal.  I like the Obi sculpt...  not sure on the stance yet.  It's the best Obi-Wan so far it seems, but that lack of a sabre is annoying (unless it's hidden in there?)

Elan looks great.  For such a stupid name, his character and figure came out great.  Working holster w/blaster is a great touch to a figure that never pulled a gun on-screen.  He seems to maybe have some deathsticks included too?  

The Twi'Lek isn't overly interesting considering she's the 4th Hot Twi'Lek we've ever seen/gotten but it's something different I guess.  She will compliment a Lt. Faytonni figure well I think as he puts his mack swerve on her.  (God willing I ever find a Faytonni figure...  I wanna make Republic Military customs!)

The Imperial Dignitary is as good as Organa I think...  A nice "senator" type of figure...  Looks like a decent pose, and the fact another one (maybe 2) are coming out is good news for diorama nuts.  It's a good dull figure for the adult collectors. :)  

Padme Tatooine...  Eh, it's Padme in one of her outfits.  It's welcome but I find the multiple costume changes of Padme to be a bit redundant/unnecessary, and thus her figures are too.  It looks like a sharp sculpt though...  So it's a decent enough figure and it's something new which is good.

Overall this wave looks great...  one of the best waves to come out since April 2002, and it's nice to see things changing finally towards the collectors that stick with the hobby.

Over a year of raw craptastic figures has soured me on the line some, so it's nice to see some solid new figures dominating an entire new wave.  This past year+ has been hell for just terribly executed toys from Hasbro.  Have they learned some valuable lessons?  I really REALLY hope so.

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Saga '02-'04 / Re: MORE NEW FOR 2004!!!!!!
« on: October 12, 2003, 07:35 PM »
Some exciting things that I'd not expected...  TIE Pilot namely.  I have an army of the original.  I sort of hope the new one doesn't put it to shame, but at least the POTF2 wasn't TOO bad and the pack-ins have been a little better looking too.

Hmmm, "Max articulation" huh?  I'll believe that when I see it...  If they're taking a few pages from 21st Century Toys and BBi's articulation book though (Much like they're doing with G.I. Joe figures here and there) then it could be a great thing, but Hasbro's idea of "Max" articulation and other companies ideas of that are very different.

If the upcoming Clone is indicative of what to expect though it could be a truly great thing, and Hasbro could be a dominant company when it comes to 3.75"/1:18 articulation styling.  I'm hoping for great things with this announcement but I hold reservations about the ability of Hasbro to truly come through on it.

We shall see though!

Oh, and yet another TIE Fighter?  Hmmm, why not just do it right in the first place, ya know?  Oh well...  If this is the truly "Proper" TIE we all wanted in the first place, then sign me up for as many as I can find...  I want a full squad of these badboys!  :)  Hell, I'd buy just the pods if Hasbro made them available, so I could improve my Interceptor flight too.  Hmmm, could the Interceptors be next (released with new pods that is)???  

Good news for sure.  2004 and this tail end of 2003 are shaping up to be a fun time to collect once again.  Thank god 2002-2003's "dark times" are gone.  Easily this has been the worst year for collecting IMO, from a distribution standpoiont to an overall quality standpoint, and I for one am happy to see things turning the way the line needs them to for it to truly thrive!

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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: When good neighbors go bad...
« on: October 11, 2003, 05:06 PM »
I don't have a lot of bad neighbors, but driving up my road is like taking a spin through a circus tent...

There's some real freaks for the first half-mile before my place.

My neighbors on our left were a bit of a pain when I was young but they're ok now and we get along.  There's an older couple beside them who are nice (The old man complains aobut everything, but that's good because his squeaky wheel gets the greasin' it seems).  

On my right there's nobody...  Well, not for a little ways.  I can barely see his house actually.  He's a nice guy too, if his house is maybe a little unkempt.  Our other neighbor on our left lives on the hill behind our house...  A small forrest separates us and they're well up onto the old field that was up there so I cannot even see them...  When they drive past they're nice though and I went to school with their daughter so I sort of know them.

The only things about my road that I dislike are the fast drivers...  It's a 25 mph speedlimit road and kids are known to do anywhere from 40 to 65 if they can get their car that high before the S curve...  I've confronted some of the drivers about it, and usually they stop because I can be intimidating when I'm PO'd (Not to toot my own horn...  I'm not some big guy/monster but when I'm mad people back off after some threats).  

You sound like you have options though Matt...  The person who runs that community is a start, and I'd make the police my second stop.  Those "cars" (Or POS's as I like to call them) at that girl's house are likely illegal...  

They're just kids so I say call the fuzz who I'm sure will delight in telling the kids their cars are illegal and dolling out multiple fines to them. :)  I hear that's a big thing for the fuzz in California, haha.

Those are the same cars I've threatened the drivers of here because our police aren't always reliable.  Kids react very well to being told "Stop it or else....", though I don't recommend that mode of expression to anyone.

Especially to you guys who own a home and everything, and have things to lose if the kids or their parents came back on you.  That just has worked for me because I'm a big jerk.  ;D

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Other Toy Lines / Re: The Official 21st Century Toys Thread
« on: October 9, 2003, 02:50 AM »
Hey Lando, sorry I didn't catch this...

The XD and BBi are the same scale if that's what your'e going for.

Headsculpts are far superior to anything Hasbro does, that's for sure, as the entire sculpt is really.  And articulation...  And accessories...

Yeah, they're superior and they're compatible.  I hope to have the heads from both lines "available" at some point to the customizers out there.  **cough cough**

The neckpegs of both lines are NOT the same as SW though, just so you know.  

They're really diverse though.  The German Paratroopers have some of the best "Imperial" gaunt/thin heads I've seen.  The BBi line has a HUGE variety of generic white and black male heads/hairstyles though the SWAT BBi figures aren't as easy to find (Yet had the best diversity of headsculpt).

The new marines and army (And SEALS) have a decent variety too though.

At $5.99 or $4.99 though, it can be pricey to buy just for a piece or two, just keep that in mind.

My favorites so far are the Army Spec. Forces from BBi and the Battle of the Bulge from X-Treme Detail (Though some XD pilot figures are FREAKING AMAZING in sculpt, articulation, and decoration on their own).

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Well of the Souls / Re: Disney Indiana Jones figures
« on: October 9, 2003, 02:46 AM »
Hey Matt,

Not to inconvenience you, but if they're $8 can you nab me an Indy and a German Soldier?

They're not great, but they're ok for now...

I hope someday they get off their duff and do an "X-Treme Detail" Styled Indiana Jones line.  THAT would rock...  

Vehicles, figures, and TONS of articulation and gear.  That would make one happy camper here, and I can safely say I'd have a new vice to blow my $ on!

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Clone Wars '03-'05 / Re: As expected... PEGWARMERS!
« on: October 9, 2003, 02:41 AM »
So far, CW figures aren't in mass abundance here.  I've only seen Droid Launchers for the most part (They're more than enough to clog pegs themselves) really.  

I've only seen 2 clone 3-packs (both yellow) and 2 Yodas and one of ARC and Anakin, so I'm hoping Pittsburgh is going to be spared this deluge of crap.

And crap it is!

At least Anakin is, and the Droid Launcher I feel Hasbro is OBLIGATED to take back at their own cost because THEY came up with that craptastic toy and decided to reship it (Not Hasbro's fault about distribution my @$$!)

The basic figures have come and gone at most stores here though so far.  And I'll nab ARC troopers left and right I've decided, but honestly what use is that Anakin or the Yoda?

I like Yoda even, honestly I do.  It's "unique" and while I'd love a NEW ESB Yoda, I can stomach "The Ugly" Yoda (From The good the bad and the ugly...  Get it?  Oh shut up!), he's gonna warm pegs.  It's inevitable.

I think the villain chick may do well, and honestly I think Durge may do better though I think he's an abomination of a character.  The neutral posed Jedi have the "Custom" factor to them, but that Anakin just bites the big one.  

We'll have to see, but if your area's any indication Matt, I'm fearing what my area (Always about a month or more behind) may be in store for here soon. :(

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The Original Trilogy / Re: Where'd the AT-AT go?
« on: October 8, 2003, 03:01 PM »
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We must remember, it is called a "transport". It was designed to move a mass amount of troops not a primary assault weapon.

Well, with only room for 40 troops inside though (If we go by "official" sources that claim that #) it moves very few troops really.  

Plus the "Armored" side of things seems to indicate it's meant to trudge into heavy combat situations as well.  The AT-ST is also labeled "Transport" in its title but it only carries 2 crew and a maximum of 2 extra folks crammed into the cockpit.  So it's not really a "transport" either.

At the battle of Hoth we see the weapons of an AT-AT at full potential, and they do a substntial ammount of damage.  

A heavy laser cannon capable of charging up to destroy an armored structure with one shot or fire rapid/less powerful shots on shorter distances.  And then 2 pivoting anti-personnel blasters that can cover most any arc the vehicle needs defended...  That's pretty heavy duty weaponry to still be hauling 40 troops inside its belly too.

I think the main thing to remember here is the seemingly staggered formations the Empire employs for its walkers.  They're not generally meant to be out on their own, but rather they're intended to be in support for each other (If we look at things from an EU Perspective).

The AT-AT is the main "brute" of an Imperial armored column, with AT-ST's in flanking support.  The AT-ST's have anti-personnel walkers as well (AT-PT's) to mop up the little stuff, and infantry in support of those.  And in the rear lines AT-AA's (Again this is if we follow some EU establishment).

While each walker can function on their own they function better together.  AT-ST's appearing to be the most versatile of the group with AT-AT's a close second (AT-AT's performed some nimble tasks that a vehicle that size wouldn't be expected to at Hoth as I recall).

The best, except for certain situations though, would be the AT-AT.  In ESB they're seen pinpoint shooting individual infantry, destroying large structures, shooting down fast/difficult aircraft, and all the while they advanced rather rapidly and with  minimal support (One AT-ST is seen, it can be assumed more were there, but it wasn't a complete structured/full assault since time was of the essence).

The AT-AT dominated the battle so I really think its front line importance is combat more than transport.  Plus again, 40 troops is really not much at all...  A platoon at most.  

I think the Transport title's very misleading, a nd more a generic term used for many of the Imperial land vehicles with some transporting capabilities.

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The Original Trilogy / Re: Where'd the AT-AT go?
« on: October 8, 2003, 01:36 AM »
Wow, an old topic back in action...

I've always felt that the rear bunker that was attacked was very lightly defended, and that the brunt of the "Legion" the Emperor spoke of were at the main shield generator.

You can tell just by the explosion of the generator (And the shots of how cavernous the power grid to it was) that the whole Imperial property was HUGE.  We're talking literally MILES and MILES of base probably.

It's likely that the backdoor the Teddy Grahams showed to Han and company was a legitimate surprise to the Empire that the Alliance knew of it, and attacked there.

PLUS, we have a whole slew of Rebels who came with the group but who aren't present...  I've also theorized that they're at the main base causing a bit of a disturbance at the same time Han and Co. attack the rear entrance.

A small backup group is called in for the backdoor attack while the main force stays at the main base protecting it from a possibly larger frontal assault because the Imperials are kind of in the dark on what's going to happen.  The AT-AT's likely patrol the cleared out area up towards the main base where they're best suited, and AT-ST's handle anything away from the cleared out forest since AT-AT's would be rendered somewhat ineffective...  Not really, but they're just not suited to that kind of combat.

What the Empire doesn't expect is the Teddy Grahams which throw everything into chaos basically.  And one officer's stupidity opens the door for Han when he hops in the AT-ST, and voila...  The mission is won, basically.

It's a bit of a mess, just like the space battle, but it's still accomplished. :)

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Power of the Jedi / Re: Recent Purchases
« on: October 6, 2003, 10:15 PM »
I nab something new every whipstitch when I'm at the store...  A Bespin Guard is about all there is to purchase from POTJ right now though.

I hear in other areas things like FX-7 are pegwarming though and THAT I'd pick up every time I was in a store just because of dioramas I can always use another droid in.

My Bespin Guard ranks are swelling though because that's the only interesting POTJ figure still kicking about in these parts...

Now I'm more picking up the odd Saga army builder here and there instead...  Red Battledroids I find on almost every toy run so my army of the Separatists has grown considerably of late.

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