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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Terminator Salvation
« on: May 1, 2009, 08:17 AM »
Quote from: BillCable on April 30, 2009, 09:01 AM
Quote from: EdSolo on April 30, 2009, 08:25 AM
Essentially, a "John Conner", son of Sarah Conner, had to exist in order for T-1 to take place.  I can be debateable as to whether the John Conner who sent back Reese is the same as the one that Sarah is pregnant with at the end of T-1.  Myself, I would say it is impossible since Reese would never have gone back in time without John sending him.

That's one of my big problems with things.  If it's a different John Connor... 75% genetically different... how could he be just as successful leading the resistance?  He's a whole other person.  Skynet already succeeded in killing John Connor by preventing his conception.  I guess the new John Connor was pretty effective himself, but it makes you look at things in a whole different way.

And I've just thought of a big fly in the ointment...

How could Reese have the photo of Sarah Connor that was taken with her pregnant with his child?  That photo he fell in love with?  It was the same exact photo that was taken at the end of the film.  That photo could only exist after he went back in time.  So that would be indicative of a circular time loop... Reese was always the father of John Connor.  The photo proves it.

It is possible that the events of T1 (the parts shown in the future) could have been the second time Reese was sent back in order to have the same picture, or could just be a coincidence that a very similar picture was taken in both timelines.  This is a chicken and the egg quandry really.  There is no reason for Reese to go back in time until the Skynet sends back Arnold.  Hence, the John Conner from T2 would never have been created until Reese goes back in time.  One has to assume that there was a John Conner that lead the resistance who sent Reese back thus changing that "present" time.  Also, I don't thank you can really calculated the genetic differences...he would be at least 50% different to as much as 100% if Sarah happened to give him the other copy of every chromosome.

As for T4, I believe the original intent was for it to be a sequel to T3 since it appears John will be with the daughter of the General from T3.  However, looking at the previews, it seems that John has no idea about the human looking Terminators.  That would lead me to believe that this could be a prequel of T-1 where this John Conner was not fathered by Reese, but I don't think the dates match up, so we'll have to wait and see.

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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Terminator Salvation
« on: April 30, 2009, 08:25 AM »
Quote from: Matt on April 30, 2009, 12:09 AM
Quote from: efranks on April 29, 2009, 08:52 PM
I don't understand what you're asking?  I didn't say that John existed before Reese went back in time, I'm saying that in order for John to exist, Reese had to go back in time.  So those three things had to have happened in order for there to be a John Connor.  Everything else after the first Terminator movie could be scrapped if the writers of Salvation were so inclined.

Wasn't directed toward you specifically, just a general question that's confused the piss out of me for years now.  How could John send back Reese to father John?  I mean, John had to exist at some point from some other father, or how else could John be there to send Reese back originally?  Doesn't make any sense to me.

Reese only had to go back in time to make sure Sarah Conner survived.  A "John Conner" had to exist in the future.  The machines knew that John Conner was the leader of the resistance and that his mother was named Sarah Conner.  The resistance was about to win the war and in a despirate attempt to destroy the resistance, Skynet sent a Terminator back in time to kill Sarah Conner before John Conner was born.  Therefore, in the original timeline Sarah Conner had a kid with someone (not Reese) and named that child John.  That John Conner survives Judgement Day and ends up in a work camp, gets freed, and lead the resistance.  He then sends Reese into the past to stop the Terminator as seen in T-1.  Thus, history is changed because Reese now becomes the father of John Conner.  Since he knows that Sarah is the mother of the leader of the resistance, he tells her everything and thus influences the future.

Now we have a new timeline, where Sarah can prepare John for the future that he will face.  At some point, Sarah is commited to an asylum and John grows up in a foster home.  Dyson finds the Terminator remains and now he creates Skynet earlier.  Judgement Day occurs earlier and by the time the resistance wins, Skynet has greater technology.  They send back the T-1000 to 1994 to kill John Conner this time as seen in T-2.  John Conner has also figured out how to reprogram Terminators and sends back Arnold.  The result is that Judgement Day is now pushed further into the future, but it still happens as seen in T-3.  SCC jumps the T-3 timeline to put Sarah past hear normal death date and thus creates another alternate timeline.

Essentially, a "John Conner", son of Sarah Conner, had to exist in order for T-1 to take place.  I can be debateable as to whether the John Conner who sent back Reese is the same as the one that Sarah is pregnant with at the end of T-1.  Myself, I would say it is impossible since Reese would never have gone back in time without John sending him.

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Vintage Kenner / Re: Display help!
« on: April 30, 2009, 08:08 AM »
I have always displayed my vintage figures in release order.

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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Jury duty. Hooray.
« on: April 28, 2009, 08:02 AM »
Just got a summons yesterday.  I have a feeling I won't get picked.

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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Terminator the Series
« on: April 15, 2009, 08:19 AM »
It is obvious FOX plans to cancel the show...they  do that to all Friday shows.  Will someone else pick it up?  Who knows, it could depend on well T4 does.

As for the timeline...the initial premise of this show was that T1 and T2 all happened and the show started a little while after T2...probably about 3 years since I think John was 13 in T2.  When Cameron jumped them to 2007, an alternate timeline was created, one which the events of T3 never take place, so that John doesn't meet his gf/wife and the military does not create Skynet.  I believe the initial premise of T4 is that the events of T3 did take place and therefore, does not have any ties to the TV show, hence we won't see Cameron or even an Arnold cameo (unless they are keeping that real quiet).  From what I have seen in the TV previews, it looks like we see Skynets first realistic human looking Terminators as opposed to their failed attempt with the rubbery skin types.

I would say the reason no one knew John in the future is that he jumped over Judgement Day and thus never grew up to start the resistance.  While being in the future may give him experience, I don't see any reason the Reese brothers will follow a 16 year old.

I think the Weaver T-1001 is supposed to be the same as the Terminator on the sub...especially with the Moray eel bit.  I kind of wonder why she said that she wouldn't join John in the future though.  Possibly her plan was to go to the past to prevent Skynet while at the same time ensuring the creation of her race of Terminators, if in fact they even have the desire to wipe out humanity, so Terminator might not be the right term for them.

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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Terminator the Series
« on: April 14, 2009, 08:15 AM »
Quote from: GrandMoffNick on April 11, 2009, 10:21 AM
Quote from: GrandMoffNick on April  4, 2009, 10:26 AM
SORT OF SPOILER


Does anyone think that maybe Shirley Manson and John Henry could be "good" machines in the future and the other group of machines that has now shown up are the "bad" ones?

MORE SPOILERS

I knew it.

I thought the "sex" scene between John and Cameron was odd.

And finally what the hell happened at the end? I'm not sure my understanding is correct.

I'm a little confused myself.  I'm not sure why Cameron would give her chip to John Henry and how she could actually transfer it to John Henry.  I figured once he pulled the chip, her body can't function and I thought the wire sticking out of the back of his head was plugged into the chip socket.  If he plugged in her chip, is he now Cameron, John Henry or some combo of both.

Not too sure why he would go to the future either unless John Henry was trying to find his "brother".  The only part that made sense was that no one had heard of John Conner because he jumped past Judgement Day so he never grew up to lead the resistance.  I don't think jumping ahead to meet the resistance makes any sense unless he goes back to his own time.

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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Terminator the Series
« on: April 9, 2009, 08:12 AM »
Quote from: DSJ™ on April  4, 2009, 12:06 PM
Just watched it, it was awesome. Are there rouge Terminators, good & bad? Me thinks so, Weaver might be a good T-1001 & creating a good metal of John Henry. A bad Terminator showing up at Weaver's place for what, her elimination/termination. As for Derek, didn't see that coming. Guess that explains his move to a new series.

Still nothing really confirmed from Fox that the series has been cancelled, could be they are waiting in the wings seeing what the ratings are with these last episodes. Will see next week what happens with the last of the season with "Born to Run".

I think it is ridiculous that FOX has stated in the previews for next week that it is the "season" finale and not the "series" finale when they all know they wanted to cancel the show ever since they moved it to Friday nights.  I can't think of any show that FOX has moved to Fridays that actually survived.  I believe they are even playing the last few episodes of Prison Break in that timeslot.

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LEGO / Re: Lego 2008
« on: April 2, 2009, 08:07 AM »
Now I remeber this set...it does have a small advantage over the previous X-wing:  you can change the bricks on the wings so that it can either be Luke or Wedge's X-wing.

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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: The Official Darth Big Boy, Bearer of Bad Celebrity News RIP Thread
« on: April 1, 2009, 08:02 AM »
Quote from: Ryan on April  1, 2009, 03:36 AM
Quote from: efranks on March 31, 2009, 02:35 PM
Damn!  Andy Hallet has passed away.  He was Lorne on "Angel."

   E...

Wow, very sad indeed. :(

That's two Angel regulars who have passed on before the age of 40 now.

I read about Andy, but who was the other actor who passed away?

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LEGO / Re: Lego 2008
« on: April 1, 2009, 08:01 AM »
I would have to look up the set itself to see which one it is, but the price is the same as I paid at retail whenever it was released according to my spreadsheet.

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LEGO / Re: Lego 2009
« on: March 24, 2009, 07:59 AM »
Quote from: Diddly on March 24, 2009, 03:35 AM
Are the Target Mini sets in the dollar section or the Easter section with all the candy and Easter baskets? I have yet to find them.

In the Easter section at the Target I went to, they had an aisle of small toys next to the candy aisle.  I found the lego sets in a small box on the bottom shelf at the end of the rack.

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LEGO / Re: Lego 2009
« on: March 20, 2009, 08:03 AM »
I wish I knew about these Target sets last Sunday since I had stopped by a Target.  I guess I'll make a stop today to pick these up.

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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Terminator the Series
« on: February 24, 2009, 07:08 AM »
Quote from: DSJ™ on February 23, 2009, 10:38 AM
Quote from: GrandMoffNick on February 23, 2009, 10:30 AM
And as far as their stories ending soon, when the gets cancelled in a couple of months ALL the stories will be gone.

Short 2 months.  :P

Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles won’t be back next fall

I believe I called this back when the first annouced the switch to Fridays further back in the thread.  No big surprise with Fox.  I don't think they have every kept any show that they switched to Fridays.  I would assume Doll House is not going to make it either.

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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Terminator the Series
« on: February 23, 2009, 07:08 AM »
Anyone else find it a bit weird that it appeared John was hitting on the chick at the funeral considering his girlfriend tried to kill herself not that long ago.

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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Battlestar Galactica (Potential Spoilers)
« on: February 17, 2009, 06:57 AM »
I had always wondering why they had skipped the number seven.  With the blonde being six and boomer eight, I couldn't figure out why there was no seven and thought maybe the hybrids were a failed seven attempt, but I guess now we know.

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