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Clone Wars '03-'05 / Re: Clone Trooper 4 Packs!
« on: January 5, 2005, 10:58 AM »
[Scum Mod] Hey this isn't a chat room! [/end Scum Mod]  :)

Wow, 6 replies in the time it took me for one, and a poorly patched together one at that.

In the end, ideal is working in Hong Kong at a salary for a company that pays you a higher COL rate than what Hong Kong requires (Like working based ona  U.S. salary over in Hong Kong) and living like a king in their country because you're getting paid in foreign dollars but putting up with the costs of their country.

Then you're in collector heaven.  Hell you can get figures out the back door of factories for super cheap, and even not completely put together in some cases.

Ideal for customizers right there. :)

Clone Wars '03-'05 / Re: Clone Trooper 4 Packs!
« on: January 5, 2005, 10:54 AM »
I agree that there's some good points coming out from Brent and Jeff, but I disagree on a few things somewhat...

And I don't think anyone's saying they DON'T sympathize with the plight of foreign collectors either.  If I could make sure everyone got figures for as cheap as possible, I would love to see it happen really...  I don't begrudge anyone, but GNT's argument has no solid basis in anything.

He basically is saying "We pay more, so you should be happy".  So yeah I agree you (meaning anyone outside the U.S.) has as much right to complain about pricing...  GNT is basically saying ONLY the people outside the U.S. can complain about it...  That we "have it good", when in reality we're buying what ammounts to a domestic product for the U.S., even if it's physically created in contracted factories over seas.

That said, I agree that I am not HAPPY to see anyone pay a ton for figures...  I don't like seeing it at local Toy Shows, on Ebay, overseas or whatever...  And it's everyone's right to say "this sucks", because it does.

As far as the US dollar fluctuations though, that's more a long-term economic effect...  No company is going to change price on the short-term based on that factor unless the U.S. dollar's value was truly expected to be at a new "permanent" low...  It's not though, so Hasbro's not going to change their pricing based on what's being considered wild dollar value fluctuations in the past year+.

Let's say the U.S. dollar made a huge gain just this month or next...  For whatever freaky reason.  Does that mean everyone should pay $30 per basic figure outside the U.S. then all of a sudden?  It's part of pricing and everything, but it really isn't going to affect an action figure's price in any way other than long-term, and if the value change took a more permanent plateau...  Which is unlikely.

I don't think anyone's disagreeing with your points, either entirely or mostly Brent, because I'm not I know...  And I don't believe in a "tough ****" attitude to anyone outside the U.S. either...  I wish nothing but good will to anyone outside the U.S. trying to get figures or whatever, and get them for cheapy cheap too.

The thing is though, these ARE import products to countries other than the U.S., and as long as the economic structure of the world stays (pretty much) as it currently is, which is how it has been for quite some time, then U.S. product exported to other countries will cost high prices in other nations, just as product from other nations exported here will cost more.  Global economics aren't near taking over enough to where things are more balanced globally.

To say that the U.S. collectors need to stop whining because someone buying what DOES ammount to import product in another country has to pay more, simply isn't logical on any level.  U.S. car buyers don't complain when they see sticker shock on a BMW.  Kubrick fans can't gripe too much about prices on them...  It's just expected.

I'd classify the Raw Materials similar to the FER as well...  Something that doesn't get highlighted as a sharp spike in price increases for product like we are seeing with Star Wars figures right now...

To me, it's more to the idea of Hasbro and EE (and whoever else you want to include) making that extra $ while they can.

The question then with the Clones is, will they sell as many units, and will the sales at the increased price match what was possibly made with MORE sales at a cheaper price?  That's not an easy question to answer...  not to mention any possible adverse effect this could have on turning consumers off to the brand, on killing possible future ideas, etc.

I have my set purchased too...  But I have my SET.  Not my sets.  So had these been $5 to $10 cheaper, then what kind of profits would we have been seeing?  

There's not much easy answer to this either because it's an exclusive, and there you throw yet another wrench into the whole concept...  And EE's also touting the famed, "Limited Edition" too with this...

By no means was anything meant to be offensive to collectors outside the U.S., and I tried being careful of that with my post because I know the topic is sensitive...  But everyone has a right to gripe about pricing, they just have to know why the pricing is what it is before they make their opinion known...

GNT didn't do his homework, and that I think we can all agree on.  And in the end, U.S. guys have as much right to cry foul on this as Canuckleheads and those over the pond(s) as well.  

And if anyone's happy to pay that, well then they're wealthier than I, or just easier going maybe.  :)

Clone Wars '03-'05 / Re: Clone Trooper 4 Packs!
« on: January 5, 2005, 10:19 AM »
Should I be petitioning Medicom to sell me Kubricks in America at the same price they pay in Asia?

A totally better analogy there that if I'd pulled my head outta my rump I would've remembered that one.  Perfect really Scott.

Kubricks aren't a U.S. product...  There's a ton of Transformer stuff that isn't U.S.  either I guess, and transformer fans are SOL if they want it for prices offered in Asia.

I'm not saying that I like that foreign fans can't get figures for $5 a piece, not by any means...  It'd be nice really if we all got domestic prices on everything.

So far my two favorite logics are:

"Well I live overseas and we pay $13 for basic figures so this is a steal and you need to quit whining about it"


"Well the CW version sells on Ebay for $20 so at $10+ you should be happy because that's a good value"

Neither opinion with any logic or solid thought behind it.   ::)

At this stage...

I don't know if I want more if they cost this much.  Seriously.

They do them for $20-$25 a set (not a penny more), then perhaps...  I'm even all for them only being done after the figure for within them is done and put out in the basic line ona  single card...

SA (insert army builder name here) figure goes to basic line, then gets mass release in a 4-pack for $25 or less...  That'd be kick ass, but with this precedent being set forth by Entertainment Earth and Hasbro, then I'm skeptical if it's such a good idea anymore.

Something, possibly even THE thing, I've always wanted was pretty much destroyed compeltely by severe price gouging.  To say I'm disappointed this day in collecting is a major understatement. 

Clone Wars '03-'05 / Re: Clone Trooper 4 Packs!
« on: January 5, 2005, 04:28 AM »

Oh he defines it...  Wrote the book on what not to say, and how to still spew it forth like so much verbal diahrea. :)

Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Rebel scum mods are gone!
« on: January 5, 2005, 04:15 AM »
Like putting cheese on the trap...

Clone Wars '03-'05 / Re: Clone Trooper 4 Packs!
« on: January 5, 2005, 04:14 AM »
And the nuggets of wisdom at Scum continue into the new day...  Who wants to guess which Einstein whipped this remark out?

Considering (like what steve said above) we pay US$13 per basic figure the price of these aren't that bad, I honestly think some people are just spoiled rotten "the Clone wars version was $5.99 so these figures should be that price as well" - times change and what a perfect way for them to earn more money. Yeah it does suck but if you (and I'm not aiming this at anybody) do have a problem with the price then just flat out refuse to buy them - simple as that.

Now, I'm not about to take a dump on foreign collectors because the fact of the matter is they are entitled to their opinions...  And the "Steve" mentioned in the above quote is Stylie Steve from Scum, and he's a good guy and not really complaining about anything other than saying he's content with the price, etc.

But, to those who ARE complaining that U.S. customers need to "stop whining" simply because in their native lands they spend more $ on toys than we do, I have a little word of advice...

**** costs more in your country because it's not considered a domestic product, and as such there's prices paid to import it. 

Yes, Hasbro's an American company, and yes, as an American company they can make their product available to their consumers cheaper. 

The simple fact is, we're talking about international economic boundariers and structures.  Something I'm going to wager the maroon who made the above comment knows little to nothing about, so he really ought to think before he opens his sucker and inserts his size 3 foot.

On a more simple note, you can use the comparison of cars and their costs as imports and exports.

Imports in the U.S. can cost an arm and a leg, depending on the quality of the car.  The same is said for U.S. imports however, when sold overseas.  U.S. pick-ups go for premiums overseas, as do good U.S. cars (My car actually has a large collecting club for it in Europe I guess...  I sure would've never known that, and apparantly the U.S. engine with Turbo is the more popular model...  Go figure).

While one's definition of "value" is subjective, that's a fundamental rule of economics, it's a shame to see so many of the European, Australian, etc., collectors out there so easily willing to lash out when not actually understanding that things cost more in their country for a reason.

U.S. collector's are griping legitimately...  This isn't our "standard".  Of course one could always just say "Well imagine you had to pay $23 USD for figures instead of $13 ya numbnuts!", but I doubt that point would drive home to them either.

And it's not even "them".  It's mostly this one maroon, but there's others.

Again, should Steve read this I hope he sees the point and isn't offended...  And this is by no means the majority of foreign collectors, but it is a handful who EVERY time a U.S. price is disputed by a U.S. consumer that they have to pipe in with comments filled with ignorance.

Hey, have any of you figured out just who would have said something that stupid yet?

Begins with a G, ends with a T, and his quote is one of only countless remarks of utter stupidity.  I shouldn't be as surprised as I am, but he never ceases to amaze, this kid out there.

JD Sports Forum! / Re: NHL Offseason
« on: January 5, 2005, 02:54 AM »
The other night FSP was airing old Stanley Cup games...  I loved watching those.  Finals with Minne in '91.  Great games.  They aired the last one on the night before NYE when I went out...  That was a wonderous game.

JD Sports Forum! / Re: NHL Offseason
« on: January 5, 2005, 02:30 AM »
I remember Fox Sports Pittsburgh (I think?) aired World Cup because I watched it. :)  It was on at every bar I went to also because my girlfriend kept asking why Hockey was on...

Celebration III: Indianapolis / Re: Star Wars Celebration 3
« on: January 5, 2005, 02:26 AM »
I think my room's at the Hampton Inn downtown.  It's a block or two away...  I forget.  We didn't all get rooms together at the same hotel.  I got my room last April/May actually, so I've had reservations for a year.

LFL was blocking off the Hampton Inn I guess, so I musta got in under the wire with them.

I'm gonna be nearer to the PA/Pittsburgh and Ohio guys I guess since I think many (or most) are going to be at that hotel.

Watto's Junk Yard / Re: Sci-Fi Hotties.. ONLY Sci-Fi
« on: January 4, 2005, 11:42 PM »
Erin Grey indeed.  Excellent...  I recall better outfits than that one though.  Ones that were opened...  very...  low...  like to the bellie button. 

Uh, I gotta google for a while, bbl.

JD Sports Forum! / Re: NHL Offseason
« on: January 4, 2005, 11:40 PM »
I'm with Scott...  It's here, as in it is in the paper...  It's getting coverage, but I have all of 3 sports channels I think (ESPN 1, 2, and Fox Sports Pittsburgh).

If I've learned anything about ESPN, it's terrible for sports...  :)

And Fox Sports Pittsburgh plays our local High School games, a few US College games, and of course the Pen's games and some Baby Pens games.

I will say that I doubt any city in the south even mentions hockey at the moment though.  Nashville probably doesn't even have 2 pages for a sports section I'd think.

Clone Wars '03-'05 / Re: Clone Trooper 4 Packs!
« on: January 4, 2005, 11:37 PM »
Business courses should be mandatory in high school.

Maybe I'm tooting my own horn since it's "my thing" since 9th grade, but god damn how are people this illogical about stuff?

Again, I've said it over in Wuher's when things just go out of control, but I weep for the future.  Truly I do.  When Ebay starts setting the standard by which the actual INDUSTRY determines price (and by which consumers accept said prices), then I think we're all in some deep **** folks.

Clone Wars '03-'05 / Re: Clone Trooper 4 Packs!
« on: January 4, 2005, 11:09 PM »
And, as per usual, Rebelscum's filled with people claiming this is the deal of the century...

One person's logic going so far as "Well the carded one sells for $20 on Ebay...  These are fairly priced!", all the while losing track of how business in America works.

Original Trilogy Collection / Re: Naboo Wave
« on: January 4, 2005, 09:36 PM »
At $7 a pop, get ready for an Episode One like glut, i do declare. :)

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