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Thanks for the responses guys.  When I initially posted it I knew guys like Jeff, Matt and Pete were sort of stuck and I didn't want to offend them.  In all probability I'll end up with the exclusives and all sorts of other **** as well, if only to get at some of the clones in there.

You could NEVER offend me on a topic such as this one. My wife and I met through I mutual love of both Star Wars and Star Trek, yet now, even she is like "when is enough, enough?"

God bless the condition known as OCD 'cause it runs through my blood stronger than any midichlorians through Anakin Skywalker - seriously.

Sure I don't army build to the extent of some of the other collectors, but I know I am a crack addict and Hasbro produces my crack. Pure and simple.

As much as I bitch, when the end finally does come, I will mourn the line's passing much in the same way I mourned the loss of the Playmates 5" Star Trek figure line.

Being that I work as a website manager as part of the marketing department where I work, I'm very much in tune with branding and marketing and what helps actually SELL a product. What boggles my mind more than ANYTHING else is the amount of cost cutting Hasbro is willing to do in order to raise their profits in the short term at the expense of the brand. It's almost like someone at Hasbro is angry that they have this license and wants to put the final nails in its coffin. I just can't explain it.

One thing that echos here and on other boards is that if Hasbro actually wanted to, they could produce good product, raise the price point and all of us would still buy simply because the product is good. Like if they went to a line that was nothing but Evolutions Sets for new versions of the core characters and then re-tooled rehashes with Battle Packs, I would actually be okay with that.

It's when they repaint or recast in a translucent plastic a figure that (a) we just got or (b) have multiples of that I get frustrated. I mean Anakin #2 and Obi-Wan #1 are going to start giving Cantina Han a run for his money. They both came carded, they both are coming with Jedi Starfighters, Obi-Wan came with the Target Cup and now they are getting the "Lava Reflection" treatment. While I would have been okay with the Lava Reflection treatment, I would have preferred trhat they use the later release Anakin and Obi-Wan figures instead, if for no other reason that to "mix it up" a bit. However, the scary truth is that I LIKE these Target "Lava Reflect" Anakin and Obi-Wan figures and almost wish that this is how the two figures had been released initially. The bases are nice (albeit they're going to get a lot of use with the sep leaders having them too) and it's almost like Target asked Hasbro to make them 3.75" versions of the Anakin vs. Ob-Wan Unleashed figures.

It's hard when you love a line so much, are friends with other collectors who clearly love the line as well and collectively you all know that if Hasbro would just let your group be the focus group for the line, you would produce FAR SUPERIOR product than Hasbro comes up with.

I no longer buy into the rhetoric that Hasbro suggests figures to LFL and they pick and choose which ones they make. I mean who at Lucasfilm is going "repaint the Nemoidian? BRILLIANT!" I mean really.

I think all of us here would have GLADLY seen the #41 Clone repainted with Green stripes for Gree's grunts, Yellow stripes for Cody's grunts, Red markings as ShockTroopers and Blue markings for the 501st Legion all released as variants to #41 or as newly numbered releases.

Commander Bly and Commander Gree were easy re-tools of the respective figures so I can't blame them there. I also can't really blame them on the Grievous Bodyguard and the Wookie Warriors. The bodyguard sculpt could be better, but it is what it is and there WERE the two variations on color in the movie. These are choices I could see even us suggesting to bolster the army building potential of the line.

As I write this post, I'm still going through all of the pictures on GH and right now I just stumbled on the Crap Battlers and the [du]MPire garbage. Effort was put into developing, sculpting, tooling and manufacturing these turds. And the bread and buttler line gets 15 repaints for the remainder of the year? What a load of **** that is!

Now I'm looking at the Titanium stuff - and while I do think this little line is nicely done. I don't collect it, but if I was an Action Fleet collector, I would view any work on this line to be a HUGE slap in the face, especially with the 6" Titanium vehicles coming out. Also as a 3.75" collector, when I see things like the Titanium Republic Swamp Speeder (or whatever that speeder with the two clones is called), I wonder to myself, if they have this sculpt like this, why can't a version be made for the 3.75" scale too? The toy industry has long had the ability to scale up and down from source sculpts. If they were sculpting this vehicle for Titanium, why not start at the larger 3.75" size and then scale down for Titanium? Perhaps there's a piece of toy making logic that I'm missing, if there is, someone needs to explain it to me... VERY .... SLOWLY, 'cause no matter what you say, I'll still be confused.

Ok - enough ranting for now...

Revenge of the Sith / Re: KB 9-pack Exclusive w/ Silver Vader
« on: July 13, 2005, 10:23 PM »
And just like that the only GOOD figure in this set (the Red Royal Guard) gets changed to a Blue Senate Guard - or could this mean that the sets will vary on which figure is included? If so some collectors out there (like myself) will be compelled to by two of this turd.  >:(

Revenge of the Sith / Re: TRU Exclusive Holographic Emperor
« on: July 13, 2005, 10:20 PM »
Hey - this isn't the Saga Palpatine, this is the ROTS Palpatine - #11 I think the number was - it has the spring loaded two types of lightning and a lightsaber. So yeah - my guess is that this is an "Order 66" Palpatine.

Revenge of the Sith / Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
« on: July 13, 2005, 10:12 PM »
You're right - that's the problem with me writing a post and still being mid thought - when I started the post, I thought there was at least ONE or TWO new sculpts in the mix - by the time I analyzed each figure, it was apparent to me that NONE of these 12 figures is "NEW" by any stretch of the imagination. They are simply 12 re-paints.

So now the question remains. Why make paint-op variants of Clone Trooper (#6) - Shocktrooper, Clone Commander (#33)  - Green Commander and Clone Pilot - Black Flightsuit and still leave them with their original numerical designations?

To me that would mean that Gree and the 501st trooper should still be #41. Commander Bly should be #33. The black wookie warrior should be #42 (or whatever the original's number was) and the re-done Preview Wookie should be #P2.

So not only are Hasbro taking the cheap way out, they're also willy-nilly deciding which repaints should get new numbers and which repaints remain at the old number.

I'd be much happier if these three other variants were given new numbers and there were 15 new figures instead of 12, at least then there would be some level of consistency.

Revenge of the Sith / Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
« on: July 13, 2005, 10:05 PM »
Well - now that I've seen these, I'm sorry to say that MANY of these are re-hashes/re-paints. The Sep. leaders are just slightly modified versions of the same characters from the figure 3-packs around the battle table from AOTC.

Like for example, Shu Mai just has a different color scheme and what looks to be a slightly different "skirt" but that's about it.

Same thing with Passel Argente. The two Wookies are just the Preview Wookie and Wookie Warrior figures with different paint ops and soft good "clothes" - it's sorta like that Simpsons episode where Lisa tried to compete against the Malibu Stacy doll line with her own doll and the same day her doll came out, the toy company that makes Malibu Stacy released the exact same doll again with a new hat - Lisa tries to stop everyone from buying, but Smithers the uber Malibu Stacy collector goes "But she's got a new hat!" - so the first thing I heard in my screwed up noggin' was Smithers saying "But she's got a new hat!" when I saw those two Wookies.

Gree and the 501st Legion Trooper are both repaints of #41

Holo Plo Koon and Holo Aayla Secura are simply clear blue plastic versions of the figures we just got.

The R4-P17 looks to be a repaint of the preview Astro-mech - in one of the shots you can clearly see the socket where the holo-projection of Utapau plugged in. The Nemoidian Guard is a LAME re-paint of a figure that in many stores is THE ONLY figure on the pegs. What were they thinking when they chose this guy as a repaint? They should have made either the red Commander Battle Droid or the generic Yellow clones (under Cody) or generic Green Clones (under Gree) or heck, I'd even be okay with a POTJ/OTC Biker Scout painted green as a neutral posed BARC Trooper.

Even these coveted long hoped for "Final Twelve" are lame.

What happened here? It's like night and day between the first 56 figures and everything else they are planning on releasing. Honestly this is getting to the point of just being plain SILLY.

Revenge of the Sith / Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
« on: July 13, 2005, 09:51 PM »
The funny thing about the SA 501st Legion Trooper in the picture is that he's holding his antenna in his left hand - almost as if the figure ripped it out of the slot itself and is saying "what the f**k is this stupid thing for?"

Revenge of the Sith / Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
« on: July 13, 2005, 06:53 PM »
RS is reporting it's Commander Bly not Commander Cody. Aren't we already getting a Commander Bly in the Evolutions pack?

"It is too late for me, son"

Tell me about it - I just can't quit. The day I solidified my standing in not being able to quit, was the day I decided to become a MIP/MOC completist in 1998 when for the three years before that I had simply been a opener only. From that point on when I got two of every item and then retroactively went back and bought all of the POTF2 figures, vehicles, mini-playsets and multi-packs again that was when I declared I was in it for the long haul.


Revenge of the Sith / Re: "Evolutions" assortment...
« on: July 13, 2005, 06:46 PM »
To me this Clone Evolutions Variant set is a no brainer - especially since you get a SA White AOTC Clone most likely a kit-based ARCTrooper based on the Clone Commander figure which IMHO is a GOOD THING and who doesn't need/want more Sandtroopers based on the VOTC Stormtrooper mold?

Revenge of the Sith / Re: The Final 12
« on: July 13, 2005, 06:44 PM »
This list is actually pretty good considering the OT **** that has been announced lately. The figures that puzzle me are the holographic versions of Plo Koon and Aayla Secura - if they had said Ki Adi Mundi and Plo Koon, I'd believe it 'cause in the scene where Anakin is made part of the council, both of those Jedi appear in their chairs as holograms.

Revenge of the Sith / Re: Target Figure with Cup Sets
« on: July 13, 2005, 06:31 PM »
I love the new cups but where's new cups for TPM and AOTC? As it stands, if these three are from ANH, ESB and ROTJ that means we'll have three cups from Episodes 3 - 6 and only one cup each from episodes 1 and 2. I already know that Hasbro doesn't understand the concept of a "balanced" collection, but if they keep releasing OT cups, the PT will have A LOT of catching up to do.

Revenge of the Sith / Re: Millennium Falcon In ROTS Packaging?
« on: July 13, 2005, 06:17 PM »
I know - but a big F-U goes out to GL for even putting such an Easter Egg in ROTS in the first place solely to give Hasbro the ability to re-package the figure. I mean if he wanted the MF in the movie, he should of had it play a more important role - like say instead of using GG's fighter to get of Utapau, Obi-Wan hitches a ride with a smuggler, rides in the hidden compartments and the MF meets up with the Tantive IV.

To be honest, no - will I do what I did for OTC and buy two of EVERY figure released and open up even the POTF2 repacks? Perhaps I'll stop with that and only get one of each figure that is a rehash/repack.

I am certainly disappointed that they are putting in so many repacks - especially when, in cases like Wedge, there is a BETTER version they could have rehashed instead of the one they actually are using. It's like the guy running the show has his head so far up his ass, he can't see the light of day. Not surprising considering that isn't this the same guy that ran the GI Joe line a few years ago when it saw the rebirth of the 3.75" figures? Those black carded two-packs were an endless parade of rehashes - perhaps he's applying the same logic to Star Wars.

Lastly - I really don't see a problem with the line being called "The Saga Collection" - that means it can be abbreviated to TSC or it could be denoted as Saga2 much like we have POTF2 today. Personally, "TSC" is a better choice.

- Peter

Revenge of the Sith / Re: Millennium Falcon In ROTS Packaging?
« on: July 13, 2005, 06:09 PM »
^ To your first point, the Falcon actually was briefly in ROTS, glimpsed in one of the Coruscant spaceport scenes. And we have it from George himself that it's THE Millennium Falcon, not just an ordinary Corellian freighter like the ones in AOTC.

This is from a article on "Easter Eggs" of ROTS.

Do I need a ROTS version of the MF though? NOPE!!!!!

What I need is an AT-TE or Turbo Tank - not the same vehicle that I could go buy RIGHT NOW from my local TRU!

Original Trilogy Collection / Re: Wedge!
« on: July 13, 2005, 01:52 PM »
Thanks Jeff - like I said, when it comes to stuff like that, my memory sucks a$$.

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