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Saga Collection '06 / Re: The Future of Star Wars Collecting
« on: June 9, 2005, 04:54 PM »
And the thing that gets me more and more is that they don't just do "ultimate" versions of the main characters and just reship them over time if demand is there....You'd think one figure that can be reused/reissued umpteen times would be more financially sound in the long run, but apparently Hasbro has some book on economics that I don't know about.

I don't know if it is as much economics as it is Hasbro's fear of putting the stake in the ground and saying "This is the final, ultimate version of ___________" (insert character name)

As far as I'm concerned a Tatooine Luke decked out with articulation and accessories as described by DoctorPadawan above would indeed be an ultimate version of this character, there will always be some jerk who thinks that (a) the figure could have more articulation, (b) could have included more accessories or (c) a better sculpt.

You could do this with LOTS of figures and at times Hasbro has shown us that they COULD get there if they wanted to - anytime a figure includes extra arms, legs or a second head, to me that is one step closer to the ultimate version.

Ultimate Luke from ESB --
Arms:
1 Set in the Bespin Jacket Sleeves, fully articulated and have a removeable right hand
1 Set bare-armed like he was during training on Dagobah, again fully articulated with two sets of hands, one regular to hold things and the other spread out to duplicate the hand-stand pose

Torso:
1 for the Bespin Jacket
1 for the tan "muscle" shirt seen during Dagobah training

Legs:
1 set of legs & boots that would be fully articulated with ball joint hips, knees and ankles

Head:
1 Head Regular
1 Head with "Battle Damage" from the fight with Vader
1 Head for when you want to put him doing a Handstand

Accessories:
Lightsaber lit
Lightsaber unlit
Equipment Case
Lantern
Foodkit
Removeable belt with working holster
Blaster that fits in the holster
Backpack for the "ultimate Yoda" figure

Come out with a 4" SW figure that covers all that and I'd gladly pay $15 - $20 for that figure, but instead if you made that the be-all, end-all of Lukes from ESB (with the exception of Pilot and Hoth Gear) then you could keep re-shipping this figure over and over and over and over again.

Like I said, Hasbro is trying to get there - look at ROTS #50 - the Anakin Skywalker on Mustafar figure - interchangeable Arms and Head just like the OTC Dagobah Luke - but the arms aren't articulated and neither came with articulated legs - so they take some steps to solving the problem and then fall short in others.

There must be a govenor on how much any one figure can cost - if a figure exceeds cost to Hasbro of $1/figure then they must scrap the idea of making that figure altogether. That's the only thing I can think of. As we already pointed out however, if you're shipping that one figure from now until 2018 what's the difference, the more you make and sell the overall cost per figure goes down. Simple econ 101. At least I think it is, but what do I know.  ::)

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$14 for a figure? A remolded figure? This con-exclusive ******** keeps going up and up in price, doesn't it? ******* junk.

Yep - and I don't understand what makes them think that $14.99 is a fair price for this figure?

I guess it's fair 'cause they know we'll pay it.  >:(


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Revenge of the Sith / Re: KB 9-pack Exclusive w/ Silver Vader
« on: June 9, 2005, 03:34 PM »
Still sucks though!  :P

Agreed.

Like Matt - this will cost me $100 just to have an open Silver Vader #3 - BTW - I revise my original guess, it is definitely a Throne Room Vader in there.

Anyway, this set is just plain stupid.

To someone who wants to give a kid a collection "starter" the Silver Vader is sorta like, "What the f**k, why isn't my Vader black?" and to the regular collector it's "I gotta get all these other f**king figures again AND pay $50 just to get ANOTHER Silver Vader?!"

Whoever at Hasbro sold them this sh*t earns Salesman/woman of the year IMHO.

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Revenge of the Sith / Re: KB 9-pack Exclusive w/ Silver Vader
« on: June 9, 2005, 12:32 PM »
It looks like a silver version of the ROTS Vader.

What bastards!

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Revenge of the Sith / Re: RotS Wookiee Helicopter with Wookiee
« on: June 8, 2005, 11:20 PM »
Jesse - it's in the same assortment as the Boga, Barc and AT-RT so it's price point is $14.99 - $19.99 (depending on where you get it).

It might even start to show up on Hasbro's Toy Shop soon at that price - they had the AT-RT there for $14.99 when it was impossible to find in many stores.

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Revenge of the Sith / Re: Wal-Mart "Early Bird" Exclusive
« on: June 8, 2005, 11:18 PM »
To be honest, I can really see them shipping this set just like the EE SA Clone 4-pack.

Sssshhhh!!!  They may hear you, Peter!  :-X

Yes, I know sometimes I really do need to be silenced!  ;D

Seriously though - they'll go out for this clunker, which as Scott pointed out so well - using three POTF2 figures and the Saga Bespin Chewie - really didn't need to be done! Not to mention the less than a year old four VOTC incarnations of these characters!

However, they won't go all out and give us something like an Evolutions Padme and entirely PT Obi-Wan set. Sure they MAY do it, but coming out with these two characters as Evolutions sets should have been TOP priority. As far as I'm concerned anything that gets us VOTC quality versions of PT is okay in my book - I'm not so concerned about OT characters 'cause Hasbro will ALWAYS go back to that well - as the EB kit proves.

Here's what would have been a MUCH BETTER idea - use the EB kit to announce that you're continuing the VOTC line and the next stage of it, exclusive to the modern EB kit, will be creating VOTC versions of the remaining original 12 figures - VOTC versions of the Tusken Raider, Deathsquad Commander, and Jawa. Promote the stand as a Stand for your VOTC figures and modify the original graphics to include art for Lando, Yoda and Boba Fett and make the stand be able to accomodate fifteen figures instead of just twelve.  If you needed to have four figures in the set, go ahead and either make an R2-D2 w/o arms & scope and a clicking dome or a Chewie with the combed back head fur.

We already read in the GH Swami report that VOTC will be back, so why didn't they have the EB kit reflect that - there was NOTHING, not even nostalgia, that dictacted that the four characters HAD to be Luke, Leia, Chewie and R2. Nostalgia only dictated that the have a promotion LIKE the original EB kit. The figures didn't need to be the same four characters.

See Matt - now if they read my idea about the window box, they'd have to read that idea too...  ;D

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Revenge of the Sith / Re: RotS Deluxe Clone 3-pack
« on: June 8, 2005, 10:57 PM »
Something else occured to me regarding these three-packs...

Clones are colored in this movie not really by rank so much as unit. Sure there are commanders and captains for individual units, but for the most part a clone with red markings (like the Shocktrooper) does not mean they are all Captains.

So why didn't Hasbro make the clones like this:

Set 1 - All White
Set 2 - All three with the rust/red/brown markings
Set 3 - All three with the green markings
Set 4 - All three with the blue/gray markings

Afterall, the idea here is to "build your army" - well the Grand Army of the Republic doesn't have only ONE clone with Rust/Red/Brown markings, it has an entire squad of them!

For the CW sets this was fine 'cause the majority of the clones were white and only the ranked officers had specific colors. Someone needs to clue in the team who makes the deluxe figures that these crazy color paterns don't indicate rank, but instead indicate squad.

So again, to add insult to injury, not only does the one-variant per set, one set per case situation suck a$$, there's really going to be no way to have squads of ANY of the units represented by these color variants.

IMHO - they should have passed on doing this again and just picked three key colorings from the movie, like:

Should we not have orange Cody clones, blue 501st temple raid clones, and red coruscant clones instead?

And made three variants to Clone #41 and then shipped out cases where an entire case was either 12 Orange, 12 Red or 12 Blue and then just be done with unit designations. None of the others developed for background or put in and then dropped in the editing room even deserve to be immortalized in plastic.

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Revenge of the Sith / Re: What figures are hard to find now?
« on: June 8, 2005, 03:54 PM »
This morning the two Targets I hit had obviously gotten a new mix of Collection 2 figures - there were PLENTY of Red Royal Guards and AT-TE Tank Gunners to be had at both stores. I would have to say it was the most of either figure (6+) that I had ever seen at one time.

Unfortunately no #45 - #47, the Wave 2 cups w/figures or Wave 3 Deluxe figures to be had...

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Revenge of the Sith / Re: Wal-Mart "Early Bird" Exclusive
« on: June 8, 2005, 03:51 PM »
To be honest, I can really see them shipping this set just like the EE SA Clone 4-pack.

Think about it - and those of you who work in Photoshop know how easy this would be since (a) you already have the box template and (b) you already have the outer white mailer box to protect the pretty window box.

All they'd have to do is change the graphics on the panels. If they can roughly justify the cost of around $24 for each four-pack, I don't see any reason why they couldn't just re-purpose that packaging and justify the $30 kit price tag.

I would have preferred the EE clones in white mailer boxes too - I didn't need these pretty window boxes for these sets. Especially since the art for all four variants is identical.

So - here's hoping that they do just end up being four baggied figures in a white mailer box.

BTW - great idea on slicing open the bottom of the EB kit outer plastic shell like that Matt - I hadn't thought of that, it could have saved me from buying that third one I got, 'cause I'm not really into the idea of collecting MIB Cardboard either.

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Saga '02-'04 / Re: Burger King Glasses Figures!!!!!!
« on: June 7, 2005, 11:12 PM »
Which Boba Fett is that? Is it Saga Pit of Carkoon?

Yeah - it looks to be the same Fett that was released both for the Saga and OTC lines. Not a bad sculpt, but the quick-draw action takes away from the figure (IMHO)

When you have a quality figure like the VOTC Fett laying around, getting another one of these is a tough pill to swallow - but I do want the Fett cup!

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Revenge of the Sith / Re: Any ROTS figures you will pass on?
« on: June 7, 2005, 11:02 PM »
I'm not allowed to pass on any figures.  :-\

I'm not only the president of the Insane Lemming Completist Club, I'm also a member...  :-\

Technically Matt - you did pass on Attacktix - I have a bag full of some extras I'll be happy to send you to get started!  ;D

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Revenge of the Sith / Re: Wal-Mart "Early Bird" Exclusive
« on: June 7, 2005, 10:37 PM »
The ultimate completist horror:

1 x Sealed EB Kit
1 x Open EB Kit (complete)
1 x Mailed away EB Kit --> 1 x Sealed EB Figure Set
1 x Mailed away EB Kit --> 1 x Open EB Figure Set

Heh, heh.  Anyone buy 4 of these?   :o

Jesse - I bought three...

1 x Sealed EB Kit
2 x Open EB Kit complete except for the redemption cert
      --> 1 x Sealed EB Figure Set
      --> 1 x Open EB Figure Set

As far as I was concerned having two of the kits opened but without the redemption certificates and keeping one of them in pristine shape is enough - I really don't need a mint, non-filled-out redemption certificate.

You're right though - it is a horror. I would have rathered been able to walk into the store and buy two sets of these four figures for say $80 total and been done with it.

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Revenge of the Sith / Re: Target Figure with Cup Sets
« on: June 7, 2005, 09:47 PM »
While I agree that the packaging should become a unified style that encompasses all six movies, I think with these three cups Target sorta strong-armed Hasbro into putting them out with the rest of the ROTS style merchandise.

At this point, I care more about the entire Saga being equally represented in cups. I hope, although I know that it won't happen, that we get AT LEAST two more cups from TPM and AOTC and at least one more cup from the OT so we have three cups from each movie. Fully building out a set of 18 cups w/figures that I could display on a shelf in my collection would be great.

Granted it doesn't help matters that they release clunkers like this new wave - why couldn't the figures packed with the cups this time around have been the VOTC versions? They could, in the future, also turn around and give us a ROTJ Emperor Palpatine cup and an AOTC Count Dooku cup and include the figures from the Sith Evolutions Set. Afterall, they're charging $13 each instead of $10, why not give us re-releases of QUALITY figures instead?

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Revenge of the Sith / Re: Target Figure with Cup Sets
« on: June 7, 2005, 07:07 PM »
Seriously though, I'm glad Pawlus confirmed what I said, I'd hate for you to have to take my word for it...  :P

If it makes you feel any better Jeff - I knew you were right. Those amazon.jp pre-orders never materialized so those two or three auctions of samples were it.

$84.37 for six more cups.  That's fun.  ::)

Yeah - tell me about. It's one of those times when I say to myself. "Thank god I collect two of everything like the lemming that I am!"

And I'm hitting three Targets each morning in anticipation of getting these things.


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Revenge of the Sith / Re: RotS Plo Koon's Jedi Starfighter
« on: June 7, 2005, 06:59 PM »
That's kinda weird - perhaps they either

(a) thought it was in bad taste since the only time it shows up in the movie is to get blown to pieces so they cancelled it

or

(b) store toy buyers were like "No way" since it is just a repaint of the AOTC Jedi Starfighter toy.

OR (and this one is definitely iffy)

(c) one or perhaps two of the brick and mortar stores bought out the entire production of these and e-tailers like EE are left out in the cold.

I could see TRU grabbing this item as an exclusive 'cause they love to sit on stacks and stacks of vehicles in their stores. The retailer with the most stacks wins!  ::)

Seriously though, with display space shrinking and the only thing that really moves with any velocity are: individually carded figures, electronic lightsabers, Darth Vader Voice Changers and Deluxe Figures, I think the retailers may have passed on it 'cause they are phasing out vehicles in their SW displays.

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